We are doing something wrong to women in our homes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Equal pay.
Generous Paid Maternity Leave for the first year.
At-office daycare.
Flexibility to telecommute.
Backup care for school closing or sick days.

I see this as the main thing that is lacking for American women in this country. These should be mandatory at least in Government (Federal, State, County) jobs.

Their obesity, lack of participation in STEM field, obsession with external aids to beautify themselves, obesssion with Duggars, Kardashians etc, - all of this is a product of ill information and poor education.

You can ask any obese woman which has more calories a carrot stick of a bag of chips, so obesity is NOT an information/education issue or a lack of control. If it were simply a lack of information or control, why do most people who have gastric surgeries regain a lot of the weight they have undergone SURGERY to lose?

Because, more times than not, obesity is linked to emotional factors. Did you know that most obese women were sexually abused? Do you know many others were physically or emotionally abused? And that most of the time the abuse comes from a relative, SO or trusted friend?
(Watch "My 600lb Life", EVERY woman that got to 600lb was abused- EVERYONE of them)

Overweight on the other hand, can be attributed to poor habits, lack of exercise or stress. Many "good girls" use food to cope, instead of alcohol or drugs. Maybe if you are pissed your wife got fat, maybe it is because she is trying to create a "barrier" between you, so she doesn't have to have sex with you.

[Anonymous]

Did you know that most obese women were sexually abused?

Most? Most women with a BMI over that certain number? My guess is you're full of shit, and that the relationship between abuse, self-esteem, and obesity is slightly more complex. And people in this country are fat because we eat more poorly and exercise less than folks in other countries. It's the American lifestyle .

[Anonymous]

I'm a 32 year old woman. My whole life I've heard the subtle messaging that women are better than men. "Girls rule, boys drool." "Girl power!" "Throw like a girl." Etc etc. and yet on the other hand we are constantly told that women have it worse than men. Well which is it? Frankly I'm so tired of the messaging. Men face a lot of unfair shit, especially in the family courts and in labor jobs. They have higher death rates at work and in war, not to mention suicides from the pressure to be a provider at all costs and never show weakness. It's really sad how far the pendulum has swung. I have sons and I sure as hell don't want them to grow up in a world where they are demonized at every turn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a 32 year old woman. My whole life I've heard the subtle messaging that women are better than men. "Girls rule, boys drool." "Girl power!" "Throw like a girl." Etc etc. and yet on the other hand we are constantly told that women have it worse than men. Well which is it? Frankly I'm so tired of the messaging. Men face a lot of unfair shit, especially in the family courts and in labor jobs. They have higher death rates at work and in war, not to mention suicides from the pressure to be a provider at all costs and never show weakness. It's really sad how far the pendulum has swung. I have sons and I sure as hell don't want them to grow up in a world where they are demonized at every turn.

Yes, truly we live in a world where men are demonized at every turn, as proven by the fact you once you a "Girls rule, boys drool" sticker at Claire's boutique.

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Anonymous wrote:While I see merit in the point OP is trying to make, the article is sh*t. Who reads this garbage?

I dont see her point. The message being seems like pandering to women/girls honestly. The study if she would have bothered to actually look at it and not the click bait title. The methodology section , how the result were actually determined from the data was pretty sloppy and not detailed. if you look hard you see work force participation (wfp) was factored in, not by removing the non-working but including them because it is womans earning overall as a group. Womens work force participation is currently the same as in 2008. It peaked in 2013 and has been declining since. Women not choosing to work lowered the ranking not some evil conspiracy. The drop in wfp reached a point where over all earning for women as a group dropped compared to men. That is also why Rwanda and the Philippines womens wfp there is over 80%, because they are poor, under developed countries everyone in the family works at low skilled , low paying jobs to survive. In the US it was 57% in 2016 and estimated in the 56% range for 2017.
No message is being sent.

I'm OP and, fwiw, I'm a black male. Thanks to all who weighed in.

Point(s) well taken to those who took issue with the study's methodology. I agree, it wasn't the most robust way to try to determine what the drivers are that perpetuate this problem.

And that was the point of my post - gender inequality is a persistent problem and that it's past time we get serious about addressing the factors that cause it.

Logical and well stated. My point was there is no message we are sending in our homes. Inequality can be tough to measure in some ways. For instance women statistically, are far more likely to have the option to be a stay at home parent or work part time or chose a career in a lower paying field while having a lifestyle it would never support (by marrying a higher income earner). That is hard to factror in, the best we can do is try to makesure people have equal access to excersising their options.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You guys are so serious with all of your scientific methodology lingo.

I'm shocked that the Philippines is number ten on that list. Every other top ten country on that list is well known for their wretched women

Who would have thought that methodology would matter

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a 32 year old woman. My whole life I've heard the subtle messaging that women are better than men. "Girls rule, boys drool." "Girl power!" "Throw like a girl." Etc etc. and yet on the other hand we are constantly told that women have it worse than men. Well which is it? Frankly I'm so tired of the messaging. Men face a lot of unfair shit, especially in the family courts and in labor jobs. They have higher death rates at work and in war, not to mention suicides from the pressure to be a provider at all costs and never show weakness. It's really sad how far the pendulum has swung. I have sons and I sure as hell don't want them to grow up in a world where they are demonized at every turn.

Yes, truly we live in a world where men are demonized at every turn, as proven by the fact you once you a "Girls rule, boys drool" sticker at Claire's boutique.

Your incapacity for critical thinking is why trump won.

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Anonymous wrote:huh? I'm a millennial married to a millennial. The men I know and the man I married fully support women's rights. Men do chores, they make half the income, they're great fathers and supportive parents. Our father's generation (boomers) and our grandfather's generation (born in 20s) didn't do any of this. The world is changing!

I do know quite a few women though who complain about their lazy husbands, but raise lazy sons too. They just don't see the disconnect that they're raising someone's future lazy husband.

Why not blame the dad for raising a lazy boy?

This drives me nuts, too, esp. on a topic like this! Women is blamed.

The irony of your post is too much, knocking (stupidly I might add) on boys and men and you still find a way to make women victims. God why cant people just accept individuals make choices or take actions that affect their situations instead of hiding by hide group think and blame

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Anonymous wrote:OP is a lazy student that just posted an essay question for the woman's studies class and expects us to give her ideas for her paper.

Womens Studies contributes to the wage gap, it is useless , stop whining and get into a major that will produce a marketable skill. The study quoted stated women have to start getting into STEM if we expect wide scale parity.

Do people really think like this??

Women could receive 100 percent of the STEM diplomas and there’d still be a wage gap as long as women are responsible for bearing children and there isn’t paid maternity leave and equality at home to keep them in the workforce or on the same trajectory as men.

This is why you have countries like Japan with low birth rates and the US where most babies are born to uneducated single women.

Except when you had paid maternity leave you also often have employers who discriminate against women of child bearing age.Everyone thinks Europe is a utopia but women are expected to take much more time off and overlooked consequence is that it's totally sexist for women with kids.

Employers are not paying it in Europe it is generally funded by a payroll tax that goes into ((supposedly) a public fund. Everyone pays for it

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a 32 year old woman. My whole life I've heard the subtle messaging that women are better than men. "Girls rule, boys drool." "Girl power!" "Throw like a girl." Etc etc. and yet on the other hand we are constantly told that women have it worse than men. Well which is it? Frankly I'm so tired of the messaging. Men face a lot of unfair shit, especially in the family courts and in labor jobs. They have higher death rates at work and in war, not to mention suicides from the pressure to be a provider at all costs and never show weakness. It's really sad how far the pendulum has swung. I have sons and I sure as hell don't want them to grow up in a world where they are demonized at every turn.

Yes, truly we live in a world where men are demonized at every turn, as proven by the fact you once you a "Girls rule, boys drool" sticker at Claire's boutique.

Your incapacity for critical thinking is why trump won.

Aw hunny, I know that things must be so hard for you, raising boys in culture that is so hostile to men.

Don't worry, now that Trump is in office he is surely making things better for men in this country.

xXx Hugs to you xXx

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Anonymous wrote:US Society is still optimized for a white, head of household, male earner. Men are paid more partly on the assumption that they are providing for a family, while women are paid on the assumption that their salary is just selfish fun money. Instead of chasing a bigger house or whatever, women should sacrifice and be at home b/c that is their natural role.

Even though this model is long been the norm, it's still imprinted on us as the American ideal. White men, who still make up the majority of positions of power, benefit greatly fro this assumption and so they are unmotivated to change the system. There's also a great many white women who also benefit (myself included, I am a white SAHM) so we unmotivated to change.*

The battle for gender equity is closely related to the battle for racial equity as the laws have (intentionally, IMHO) disenfranchised Black communities.

I'd argue that America just isn't an equitable place to live. Yes, it may be easier for the exceptional to succeed that other countries. And there are many, many exceptional people here. But our opinions and decisions over the course of our lives are based on the imprints we get when we are young. Those that exceed either are benefitting because they are the intended recipient, or they recognize how the system works and then put in extra effort to find ways around it.

Until we as a country are willing to really admit how much we've failed to live up to the ideals set out in our Constitution then equity isn't going to be a reality.

*The impersonal we. I personally am very motivated in creating a world that values and rewards my son and daughter equally.

^^Fantastic analysis!^^ I've never thought of the issue in this way.

What was your field of study?

Sounds good until you examine career choice, men go into fields that pay more in large numbers. For men in women in the same occupation pay differential is nearly non-existent.
Even the thoroughly debunk 72% study admitted so to anyone that actually looked at it. Early career college graduates the pay differential over favored men (when it was conducted) when match occupation to occuaption it shrunk to 5% and was attributed to men negoiating a higher salary, in STEM there was no difference at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:US Society is still optimized for a white, head of household, male earner. Men are paid more partly on the assumption that they are providing for a family, while women are paid on the assumption that their salary is just selfish fun money. Instead of chasing a bigger house or whatever, women should sacrifice and be at home b/c that is their natural role.

Even though this model is long been the norm, it's still imprinted on us as the American ideal. White men, who still make up the majority of positions of power, benefit greatly fro this assumption and so they are unmotivated to change the system. There's also a great many white women who also benefit (myself included, I am a white SAHM) so we unmotivated to change.*

The battle for gender equity is closely related to the battle for racial equity as the laws have (intentionally, IMHO) disenfranchised Black communities.

I'd argue that America just isn't an equitable place to live. Yes, it may be easier for the exceptional to succeed that other countries. And there are many, many exceptional people here. But our opinions and decisions over the course of our lives are based on the imprints we get when we are young. Those that exceed either are benefitting because they are the intended recipient, or they recognize how the system works and then put in extra effort to find ways around it.

Until we as a country are willing to really admit how much we've failed to live up to the ideals set out in our Constitution then equity isn't going to be a reality.

*The impersonal we. I personally am very motivated in creating a world that values and rewards my son and daughter equally.

^^Fantastic analysis!^^ I've never thought of the issue in this way.

What was your field of study?

Double Major!! gender studies & AA studies

3.9 GPA and work at starbucks!

With all do respect your majors are largely worthless to anyone from an economic standpoint. There little to nothing in those majors that offer a skill an employer needs. A degree is a degree, the skill set or aptitude it represents is what marketable.

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Anonymous wrote:OP is a lazy student that just posted an essay question for the woman's studies class and expects us to give her ideas for her paper.

Womens Studies contributes to the wage gap, it is useless , stop whining and get into a major that will produce a marketable skill. The study quoted stated women have to start getting into STEM if we expect wide scale parity.

Do people really think like this??

Women could receive 100 percent of the STEM diplomas and there’d still be a wage gap as long as women are responsible for bearing children and there isn’t paid maternity leave and equality at home to keep them in the workforce or on the same trajectory as men.

This is why you have countries like Japan with low birth rates and the US where most babies are born to uneducated single women.

Except when you had paid maternity leave you also often have employers who discriminate against women of child bearing age.Everyone thinks Europe is a utopia but women are expected to take much more time off and overlooked consequence is that it's totally sexist for women with kids.

n ocompany hires a women age 30-40 in EU. 1 year off per kid, yeah right. granted the maternity leave is funded by TAXPAYERS, not companies (unless an additional pmt perk).

Ppl in the US forget that EU pays mat leave from taxpyer funds, with a cap, that is pretty low per week so fractions of your salary. Do you want a 6% take-out from your paycheck into some Everyone Taking Mat Leave fund gets $500/week?

Not fair to US companies to make them pay 100%, when other countries have it taxpayer/society funded. Get it? Obama didn't.

In a related topic, many people say college should be "free" like in Europe. I wonder if they understand in Europe well over half the US college students would not be accepted. The standard for admission is generally much higher, serious students only that did well and test well. It isnt viewed a highschool 2.0 or an "experience" it is to learn period.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Equal pay.
Generous Paid Maternity Leave for the first year.
At-office daycare.
Flexibility to telecommute.
Backup care for school closing or sick days.

I see this as the main thing that is lacking for American women in this country. These should be mandatory at least in Government (Federal, State, County) jobs.

Their obesity, lack of participation in STEM field, obsession with external aids to beautify themselves, obesssion with Duggars, Kardashians etc, - all of this is a product of ill information and poor education.

Who is going to pay for all this? It sounds great on paper but it's coming out of your pocket one way or another

Truth is the low skilled employee that doesnt generate enough to be worth the cost will pay for it, they will be a net negative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Equal pay.
Generous Paid Maternity Leave for the first year.
At-office daycare.
Flexibility to telecommute.
Backup care for school closing or sick days.

I see this as the main thing that is lacking for American women in this country. These should be mandatory at least in Government (Federal, State, County) jobs.

Their obesity, lack of participation in STEM field, obsession with external aids to beautify themselves, obesssion with Duggars, Kardashians etc, - all of this is a product of ill information and poor education.

You can ask any obese woman which has more calories a carrot stick of a bag of chips, so obesity is NOT an information/education issue or a lack of control. If it were simply a lack of information or control, why do most people who have gastric surgeries regain a lot of the weight they have undergone SURGERY to lose?

Because, more times than not, obesity is linked to emotional factors. Did you know that most obese women were sexually abused? Do you know many others were physically or emotionally abused? And that most of the time the abuse comes from a relative, SO or trusted friend?
(Watch "My 600lb Life", EVERY woman that got to 600lb was abused- EVERYONE of them)

Overweight on the other hand, can be attributed to poor habits, lack of exercise or stress. Many "good girls" use food to cope, instead of alcohol or drugs. Maybe if you are pissed your wife got fat, maybe it is because she is trying to create a "barrier" between you, so she doesn't have to have sex with you.

Well said. There is this theory that "education" or information is the reason for choices that can negatively affect people. That theory discounts the greatest human motivator, "I feel like it)