New Year Eve's Coordinated Sexual Assault Attacks in Cologne

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Anonymous wrote:The hyperbole in this thread is strong. First of all, so far all you have is rumors. And a picture of some "foreign" (aka not Arian) looking people gathered in a train station on NYE (which is bound to be incredibly crowded anyway). I have lived in Europe for many years and what is being described has been done by gypsies for many years (who, btw, are Christian). I also recall a few incidents involving teenagers doing the same thing in the US, even recently. So until we know more, I suggest not accusing the segment of the population that fits your narrative.

Gypsies don't run in throngs and throw themselves at you.

There may be two "working" as a pair, trying to scam people. But they don't grope you.

And they're sooo Christian. in name only . . . Give me a break.

PP, I spent most of my life in Eastern Europe, I know exactly what I am talking about.

You're saying that this is all NBD. If this sort of thing happens frequently in Eastern Europe, or Germany, then that's really pretty shocking. And along with Egypt and north Africa, maybe I should write all of Europe off my list of places ever to go.

No, it is a big deal. I do have a big problem however, with this being pinned on refugees before having and concrete information and proof.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/world/europe/coordinated-attacks-on-women-in-cologne-were-unprecedented-germany-says.html?&target=comments&hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&modref=HPCommentsRefer&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news#commentsContainer

The descriptions of the assailants — by the police and victims quoted in the news media — as being young foreign men who spoke neither German nor English [u]

yes..you go figure. Because EU citizens can't speak German nor English.

[Anonymous]

It reminds me of what happened to the news reporter and many Egyptian women in the crowd during the Egyptian Revolution. Just being violated inna crowd. How terrifying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The hyperbole in this thread is strong. First of all, so far all you have is rumors. And a picture of some "foreign" (aka not Arian) looking people gathered in a train station on NYE (which is bound to be incredibly crowded anyway). I have lived in Europe for many years and what is being described has been done by gypsies for many years (who, btw, are Christian). I also recall a few incidents involving teenagers doing the same thing in the US, even recently. So until we know more, I suggest not accusing the segment of the population that fits your narrative.

Yes but this has been reported in mainstream news outlets such as BBC and the NY Times. The descriptions by witnesses of the appearances of alleged participants have been placed in scare quotes, but the articles speak for themselves. This isn't something that can be Breitbarted away.

I will ask again. Is there any proof these people were refugees vs. EU citizens? What exactly does the description mean? Greeks can have the same look. So can Rroma people. So can Turks. Why are we jumping to refugees immediately?

First, they can't speak German or English, so in some way they are new to the country.. Second, noone is claiming these are the recent Syrian refugees, however it raises concerns of welcoming and integrating more people from misogynistic cultures incompatible with Western values. Some of the suspects that have been caught were carrying asylum papers. It is widely reported the men are of Arabic or North African looks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The hyperbole in this thread is strong. First of all, so far all you have is rumors. And a picture of some "foreign" (aka not Arian) looking people gathered in a train station on NYE (which is bound to be incredibly crowded anyway). I have lived in Europe for many years and what is being described has been done by gypsies for many years (who, btw, are Christian). I also recall a few incidents involving teenagers doing the same thing in the US, even recently. So until we know more, I suggest not accusing the segment of the population that fits your narrative.

Gypsies don't run in throngs and throw themselves at you.

There may be two "working" as a pair, trying to scam people. But they don't grope you.

And they're sooo Christian. in name only . . . Give me a break.

PP, I spent most of my life in Eastern Europe, I know exactly what I am talking about.

You're saying that this is all NBD. If this sort of thing happens frequently in Eastern Europe, or Germany, then that's really pretty shocking. And along with Egypt and north Africa, maybe I should write all of Europe off my list of places ever to go.

No, it is a big deal. I do have a big problem however, with this being pinned on refugees before having and concrete information and proof.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/world/europe/coordinated-attacks-on-women-in-cologne-were-unprecedented-germany-says.html?&target=comments&hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&modref=HPCommentsRefer&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news#commentsContainer

The descriptions of the assailants — by the police and victims quoted in the news media — as being young foreign men who spoke neither German nor English [u]

yes..you go figure. Because EU citizens can't speak German nor English.

And they know this because those people chose to speak another language? I speak my native language to my friends of the same nationality, what is that supposed to mean?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hyperbole in this thread is strong. First of all, so far all you have is rumors. And a picture of some "foreign" (aka not Arian) looking people gathered in a train station on NYE (which is bound to be incredibly crowded anyway). I have lived in Europe for many years and what is being described has been done by gypsies for many years (who, btw, are Christian). I also recall a few incidents involving teenagers doing the same thing in the US, even recently. So until we know more, I suggest not accusing the segment of the population that fits your narrative.

Yes but this has been reported in mainstream news outlets such as BBC and the NY Times. The descriptions by witnesses of the appearances of alleged participants have been placed in scare quotes, but the articles speak for themselves. This isn't something that can be Breitbarted away.

I will ask again. Is there any proof these people were refugees vs. EU citizens? What exactly does the description mean? Greeks can have the same look. So can Rroma people. So can Turks. Why are we jumping to refugees immediately?

First, they can't speak German or English, so in some way they are new to the country.. Second, noone is claiming these are the recent Syrian refugees, however it raises concerns of welcoming and integrating more people from misogynistic cultures incompatible with Western values. Some of the suspects that have been caught were carrying asylum papers. It is widely reported the men are of Arabic or North African looks.

Just like the refugee passport they found in Paris, yes? And again, what is an "Arabic or North African" look?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hyperbole in this thread is strong. First of all, so far all you have is rumors. And a picture of some "foreign" (aka not Arian) looking people gathered in a train station on NYE (which is bound to be incredibly crowded anyway). I have lived in Europe for many years and what is being described has been done by gypsies for many years (who, btw, are Christian). I also recall a few incidents involving teenagers doing the same thing in the US, even recently. So until we know more, I suggest not accusing the segment of the population that fits your narrative.

Yes but this has been reported in mainstream news outlets such as BBC and the NY Times. The descriptions by witnesses of the appearances of alleged participants have been placed in scare quotes, but the articles speak for themselves. This isn't something that can be Breitbarted away.

I will ask again. Is there any proof these people were refugees vs. EU citizens? What exactly does the description mean? Greeks can have the same look. So can Rroma people. So can Turks. Why are we jumping to refugees immediately?

It's possible it was 500-1000 Greeks, Turks or Roma in coordinated attacks in several locations. But wouldn't it be more likely to be Arabs rather than EU citizens, considering the large numbers of them recently entering Germany? In 2015, 800,000 people entered Germany as a refugee or asylum seeker. You think it's unlikely that some of them would assault German citizens?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany#Refugee.2C_Asylum_and_illegal_Immigration_crisis

[Anonymous]

Well, hopefully lots of aggressive men will be deported back to their home country soon.

[Anonymous]

Another source:

"Between 500 and 1,000 men described as drunk and aggressive are believed to have been behind the attacks on partygoers in the centre of the western German city. Whether they were working as a single group or in separate gangs remains unclear.



"Officers are working on the assumption that the men had organised their plan of attack. They said many of the perpetrators were known to them and some may have been asylum seekers, though not new arrivals to Germany.

In Cologne, police said the men appeared to have come from Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia and were on average in their mid-20s. "

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/05/germany-crisis-cologne-new-years-eve-sex-attacks

So yes, this is horrible, and these assholes should be caught and punished to the fullest extent of the law. But the implication that bringing refugees in is what caused this is wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A picture how the train station looked that night:

Clearly a number of men are Auslander - foreigners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hyperbole in this thread is strong. First of all, so far all you have is rumors. And a picture of some "foreign" (aka not Arian) looking people gathered in a train station on NYE (which is bound to be incredibly crowded anyway). I have lived in Europe for many years and what is being described has been done by gypsies for many years (who, btw, are Christian). I also recall a few incidents involving teenagers doing the same thing in the US, even recently. So until we know more, I suggest not accusing the segment of the population that fits your narrative.

Yes but this has been reported in mainstream news outlets such as BBC and the NY Times. The descriptions by witnesses of the appearances of alleged participants have been placed in scare quotes, but the articles speak for themselves. This isn't something that can be Breitbarted away.

I will ask again. Is there any proof these people were refugees vs. EU citizens? What exactly does the description mean? Greeks can have the same look. So can Rroma people. So can Turks. Why are we jumping to refugees immediately?

Proof, as that term is commonly understood, is a matter for courts. But why, I must ask,do you want proof of their status? All are equal before the law. This focus on ethnicity bothers me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another source:

"Between 500 and 1,000 men described as drunk and aggressive are believed to have been behind the attacks on partygoers in the centre of the western German city. Whether they were working as a single group or in separate gangs remains unclear.



"Officers are working on the assumption that the men had organised their plan of attack. They said many of the perpetrators were known to them and some may have been asylum seekers, though not new arrivals to Germany.

In Cologne, police said the men appeared to have come from Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia and were on average in their mid-20s. "

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/05/germany-crisis-cologne-new-years-eve-sex-attacks

So yes, this is horrible, and these assholes should be caught and punished to the fullest extent of the law. But the implication that bringing refugees in is what caused this is wrong.

You seem to be saying that blaming asylum seekers is inaccurate because the men seemed to be asylum seekers who had entered the country some time ago rather than recently? Is that the distinction you're drawing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hyperbole in this thread is strong. First of all, so far all you have is rumors. And a picture of some "foreign" (aka not Arian) looking people gathered in a train station on NYE (which is bound to be incredibly crowded anyway). I have lived in Europe for many years and what is being described has been done by gypsies for many years (who, btw, are Christian). I also recall a few incidents involving teenagers doing the same thing in the US, even recently. So until we know more, I suggest not accusing the segment of the population that fits your narrative.

Yes but this has been reported in mainstream news outlets such as BBC and the NY Times. The descriptions by witnesses of the appearances of alleged participants have been placed in scare quotes, but the articles speak for themselves. This isn't something that can be Breitbarted away.

I will ask again. Is there any proof these people were refugees vs. EU citizens? What exactly does the description mean? Greeks can have the same look. So can Rroma people. So can Turks. Why are we jumping to refugees immediately?

Proof, as that term is commonly understood, is a matter for courts. But why, I must ask,do you want proof of their status? All are equal before the law. This focus on ethnicity bothers me.

Because the implication I see in this thread (and noted in that article) is that allowing the refugees in is what caused this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hyperbole in this thread is strong. First of all, so far all you have is rumors. And a picture of some "foreign" (aka not Arian) looking people gathered in a train station on NYE (which is bound to be incredibly crowded anyway). I have lived in Europe for many years and what is being described has been done by gypsies for many years (who, btw, are Christian). I also recall a few incidents involving teenagers doing the same thing in the US, even recently. So until we know more, I suggest not accusing the segment of the population that fits your narrative.

Yes but this has been reported in mainstream news outlets such as BBC and the NY Times. The descriptions by witnesses of the appearances of alleged participants have been placed in scare quotes, but the articles speak for themselves. This isn't something that can be Breitbarted away.

I will ask again. Is there any proof these people were refugees vs. EU citizens? What exactly does the description mean? Greeks can have the same look. So can Rroma people. So can Turks. Why are we jumping to refugees immediately?

Proof, as that term is commonly understood, is a matter for courts. But why, I must ask,do you want proof of their status? All are equal before the law. This focus on ethnicity bothers me.

Because the implication I see in this thread (and noted in that article) is that allowing the refugees in is what caused this.

Yes, that is the implication that some articles are strenuously avoiding. It's nonsensical -- it wasn't German men doing the assaulting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hyperbole in this thread is strong. First of all, so far all you have is rumors. And a picture of some "foreign" (aka not Arian) looking people gathered in a train station on NYE (which is bound to be incredibly crowded anyway). I have lived in Europe for many years and what is being described has been done by gypsies for many years (who, btw, are Christian). I also recall a few incidents involving teenagers doing the same thing in the US, even recently. So until we know more, I suggest not accusing the segment of the population that fits your narrative.

Yes but this has been reported in mainstream news outlets such as BBC and the NY Times. The descriptions by witnesses of the appearances of alleged participants have been placed in scare quotes, but the articles speak for themselves. This isn't something that can be Breitbarted away.

I will ask again. Is there any proof these people were refugees vs. EU citizens? What exactly does the description mean? Greeks can have the same look. So can Rroma people. So can Turks. Why are we jumping to refugees immediately?

Look, these people were Arabs, not Greek or Turks or Roma people, maybe they all look the same to you but these groups look pretty different to Europeans. Getting a EU passport is a long and difficult process, even for foreigners born in Europe (they are not automatically citizens, like in the US) so if these people were EU citizens they would have spent they lives in Germany and would speak a flawless or very good German, something that these people did not. you are confused by the reference to refugees. it does not mean that they are Syrian refugees. based on my experience as a European, I would guess they are likely young people from various countries like Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria. boatloads of them arrive to Italy and Spain and apply for asylum. they get temporary papers and years go by before their application is examined, and in the meantime they make money stealing, selling drugs (this does not mean that all immigrants from those countries are criminals, but some of them are and come to Europe to make money and live off crime). in this sense they are refugees, even though they are not real refugees because they are not fleeing wars or anything. the news of what happened does not come from a right wing Nazi press, it comes from mainstream, even leftist news-outlets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hyperbole in this thread is strong. First of all, so far all you have is rumors. And a picture of some "foreign" (aka not Arian) looking people gathered in a train station on NYE (which is bound to be incredibly crowded anyway). I have lived in Europe for many years and what is being described has been done by gypsies for many years (who, btw, are Christian). I also recall a few incidents involving teenagers doing the same thing in the US, even recently. So until we know more, I suggest not accusing the segment of the population that fits your narrative.

Yes but this has been reported in mainstream news outlets such as BBC and the NY Times. The descriptions by witnesses of the appearances of alleged participants have been placed in scare quotes, but the articles speak for themselves. This isn't something that can be Breitbarted away.

I will ask again. Is there any proof these people were refugees vs. EU citizens? What exactly does the description mean? Greeks can have the same look. So can Rroma people. So can Turks. Why are we jumping to refugees immediately?

Proof, as that term is commonly understood, is a matter for courts. But why, I must ask,do you want proof of their status? All are equal before the law. This focus on ethnicity bothers me.

Because the implication I see in this thread (and noted in that article) is that allowing the refugees in is what caused this.

Yes, that is the implication that some articles are strenuously avoiding. It's nonsensical -- it wasn't German men doing the assaulting.

If they are in the country legally, they are German men.