JO Wilson vs. Ludlow-Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:Forgot to add that Brent and Ludlow are a little over a mile apart, with Brent in SE and Ludlow in NE. Plenty of threads discussing both schools can be found, along with helpful info and misinfo. Please take the time to tour both schools and talk with teachers and parents.

BTW, us [b]Brent folks will be getting our own Trader Noes and nearby Whole Foods in 2017 and we're within walking distance of the National Mall, Smithsonian Museums, Nationals Park, Yards Park and the Canal Park Skating Rink. Brent is two blocks from the Capitol South Metro (OR, BL, Sv) and close to some great family-friendly restaurants.

Wow. I had no idea that TJ and WF were being built exclusively for the Brent crowd!

Yes, it's true. You might be able to shop at either OOB for a little while, but with the number of sibs in the Brent district, I wouldn't count on it for long.

The Brent PTA has actually started a petition to stop WF and TJ from taking WIC. They want to eliminate FARMS kids at the start.

The system used wotp works well for this

Gloverpark WF: For the JKLM wannabe's
Tenleytown WF: For those pesky OOB that keep showing up
Friendship Heights WF: For the inbound, since you always need some extra shopping bling to keep up with the other moms

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do Tyler and Watkins get proximity preference to TJ? They are both closer to the Hine site than Brent

Potomac Gardens kids get first dibs on customers walking eastbound on Pennsylsvania Avenue.

Potomac Gardens is the biggest boogeyman on the Hill -- I hear Hill-O-Ween is going to be in the PG courtyard this year so white folk can feel more authentically scared.

Good to hear crime is just another urban legend. I'm looking forward to the Snopes explanation of the data patterns on the MPD Crime Map.

What makes you assume it's committed most (or at all) by the residents of stable Hill public housing? Does every criminal shit where they eat?

In my experience most people who engage in crimes of opportunity aren't really very smart. They are also more comfortable on their home turf when potential victims are plentiful. Grouped of kids aren't coming from PG County or Shaw to punch people and snatch their bags and cellphones. Enough with this silliness in a thread about two schools in NE.

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to the OP. I think the original choice would have to be yours just tour both schools. My DS has been attending JO Wilson since last year and is now into his 2nd year, and yes I played the lottery for Ludlow Taylor and he got in but after a week of careful thought and understanding my child I decided to keep him where he is..... and is there any regrets....DEFINITELY NOT!!! He is learning alot and I love his teacher. A child would learn in any capacity given the right instructor and along with the parents.


Is your child in pK? If so, that's far removed from laying the groundwork for serious academics three four years down the road.


So I can't make a statement until my child hits 2nd or 3rd grade because my son is only in PK4. Well you are absolutely wrong this makes as big a impact as any especially when you think most kids in kindergarten are reading or expected to be able to read by the end of their years as kindergarten.

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Anonymous wrote:Brent is a school full of rich white kids yet the scores are mediocre. There is also no middle school path. I would not listen to anyone that tells you to rely on Basis/Latin as those schools will be hard to get into by the time your LO reaches middle. For the same price or cheaper, you can move in Deal feeder. If you insist, I would pick LT for the diversity and better scores.

Greater "diversity" at LT than Brent? If you mean more low-income AA kids proportionately, yes, of course. If you mean more socioeconomic, international and racial diversity, absolutely not.

My kid's class at Brent has four or five AA kids, several kids of Asian descent (one of whom speaks beautiful Chinese), a Latina (who speaks Spanish at home), and several European kids (who speak European languages at home; their parents work for international organizations with DC HQs, e.g. the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund). In LT for ECE, we didn't see that sort of diversity, far from it.

Who cares about the silly test scores? In-boundary parents vote with their feet: Brent is more than half in-boundary, while LT is around 20%.

LT doesn't really have a MS path either, unless you're OK with Stuart Hobson (with a student body that's less than 10% high SES/white in a catchment area that's at least two-third high SES/white in 2015).

I find Brent parents intriguing. They vacillate between being upset that they don't feed into SH and taking shots at SH. I think the overarching mentality seems to be that SH isn't a good school, but they should let Brent feed into it because just having Brent would make it better. And then some Brent parents speak of Latin and Basis as if they have a birthright to those schools. But here's what I find interesting: as Maury has approached or matched Brent and as LT has come up strong and JO has started to move in the right direction, Brent parents seem almost threatened. And that makes no sense to me. Why wouldn't a stronger school system benefit everyone? What's the thought process? You like being the only option? That feels good to you? Or is it that if LT and JO (and hopefully Watkins) continue along their trajectories that SH will become a strong MS option, which will make you feel somehow less special?

Seriously, help me out here. Why would Brent parents hate on other schools. I know others hate on Brent out of jealousy, that makes sense to me. But what's the Brent though process? Is it a childish reflex that "s/he hit me first?

You're projecting. I suppose it's possible that some who recently paid $1MM+ to be IB for Brent might harbor some sense of smugness or superiority but , to be perfectly honest, I can't recall hearing either Ludlow or JO Wilson being discussed by Brent parents except in passing, such as whether they are good options for PK. I doubt most even know where these schools are located. I'll confess that I have only a vague idea in terms of orientation from Union Station. So, from my limited perspective, Brent parents aren't running around saying terrible things about other Hill schools as the topic isn't that interesting and they're not on our collective radar screens.

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Anonymous wrote:Brent is a school full of rich white kids yet the scores are mediocre. There is also no middle school path. I would not listen to anyone that tells you to rely on Basis/Latin as those schools will be hard to get into by the time your LO reaches middle. For the same price or cheaper, you can move in Deal feeder. If you insist, I would pick LT for the diversity and better scores.

Greater "diversity" at LT than Brent? If you mean more low-income AA kids proportionately, yes, of course. If you mean more socioeconomic, international and racial diversity, absolutely not.

My kid's class at Brent has four or five AA kids, several kids of Asian descent (one of whom speaks beautiful Chinese), a Latina (who speaks Spanish at home), and several European kids (who speak European languages at home; their parents work for international organizations with DC HQs, e.g. the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund). In LT for ECE, we didn't see that sort of diversity, far from it.

Who cares about the silly test scores? In-boundary parents vote with their feet: Brent is more than half in-boundary, while LT is around 20%.

LT doesn't really have a MS path either, unless you're OK with Stuart Hobson (with a student body that's less than 10% high SES/white in a catchment area that's at least two-third high SES/white in 2015).

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Anonymous wrote:Brent is a school full of rich white kids yet the scores are mediocre. There is also no middle school path. I would not listen to anyone that tells you to rely on Basis/Latin as those schools will be hard to get into by the time your LO reaches middle. For the same price or cheaper, you can move in Deal feeder. If you insist, I would pick LT for the diversity and better scores.

Greater "diversity" at LT than Brent? If you mean more low-income AA kids proportionately, yes, of course. If you mean more socioeconomic, international and racial diversity, absolutely not.

My kid's class at Brent has four or five AA kids, several kids of Asian descent (one of whom speaks beautiful Chinese), a Latina (who speaks Spanish at home), and several European kids (who speak European languages at home; their parents work for international organizations with DC HQs, e.g. the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund). In LT for ECE, we didn't see that sort of diversity, far from it.

Who cares about the silly test scores? In-boundary parents vote with their feet: Brent is more than half in-boundary, while LT is around 20%.

LT doesn't really have a MS path either, unless you're OK with Stuart Hobson (with a student body that's less than 10% high SES/white in a catchment area that's at least two-third high SES/white in 2015).

I would be disinclined to give much weight to the thoughts of someone who is bitching about Brent being full of rich white kids. Picking one school over another based on a simplistic metric such as overall DCCAS scores from one year (2013-14) is also among some of the dumbest advice I've seen on DCUM. Setting aside the fact that testing cohorts vary year to year, you also would need to drill down into how each grade and racial subgroup performed to try and draw anything approaching a meaningful conclusion, if you're so inclined. I happen to think it's a waste of time and energy. As for the "diversity" issue, Brent and LT are approximate mirror images of one another. Brent is roughly 70 percent white and 20 percent AA, while Ludlow is roughly 70 percent black and 20 percent white. So which is more "diverse" under this myopic metric. Both are good schools that continue to improve and implying one or the other is mediocre is a sign of dishonesty, lack of intelligence or possibly both.

My concern is not so much diversity but rather expectations. It's not about LT having slightly better test scores last year and Brenr having better year before. Brent has a whopping 11% FARM population and barely has test scores in the low 70s. LT is Title 1 with slightly better scores. I know many people don't put too much weight on scores but when schools like Stoddert, Key, Mann, Murch etc have similar FARM population and has scores 20 points higher. That is not minimal. Don't people want to know what's going on at Brent (or what's not going on)? It's quite alarming no matter how you look at it.

Your purported concern about expectations at Brent is interesting but based on misinformation. Test scores for 2013-14 weren't barely in the low 70s unless you fail to account for kids testing as advanced. It would indeed be remarkable if schools like Stoddart, Key and Mann - or any school for that matter - was testing at or above 100 percent.

Brent parents and those still paying eomething of a premium to move in-bound despite the current middle school situation know exactly what is going on in the school. It's the reason there's a PK waiting list for in-bound siblings this year. I'm sorry you find any of this so mysterious. But please, do us all a favor and take your perverse agenda somewhere else.

Ok sorry, high 70s. Does that still not bother you? You choose to fight over 5 points but not care to address why there is such a huge gap in attainment. Brent has 11% FARM but over 20% of students are not proficient. Shepherd has the same scores but triple the FARM rate, Ross has 15 point higher scores and triple the FARM rate. Why does this not concern you?

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Anonymous wrote:Brent is a school full of rich white kids yet the scores are mediocre. There is also no middle school path. I would not listen to anyone that tells you to rely on Basis/Latin as those schools will be hard to get into by the time your LO reaches middle. For the same price or cheaper, you can move in Deal feeder. If you insist, I would pick LT for the diversity and better scores.

Greater "diversity" at LT than Brent? If you mean more low-income AA kids proportionately, yes, of course. If you mean more socioeconomic, international and racial diversity, absolutely not.

My kid's class at Brent has four or five AA kids, several kids of Asian descent (one of whom speaks beautiful Chinese), a Latina (who speaks Spanish at home), and several European kids (who speak European languages at home; their parents work for international organizations with DC HQs, e.g. the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund). In LT for ECE, we didn't see that sort of diversity, far from it.

Who cares about the silly test scores? In-boundary parents vote with their feet: Brent is more than half in-boundary, while LT is around 20%.

LT doesn't really have a MS path either, unless you're OK with Stuart Hobson (with a student body that's less than 10% high SES/white in a catchment area that's at least two-third high SES/white in 2015).

I find Brent parents intriguing. They vacillate between being upset that they don't feed into SH and taking shots at SH. I think the overarching mentality seems to be that SH isn't a good school, but they should let Brent feed into it because just having Brent would make it better. And then some Brent parents speak of Latin and Basis as if they have a birthright to those schools. But here's what I find interesting: as Maury has approached or matched Brent and as LT has come up strong and JO has started to move in the right direction, Brent parents seem almost threatened. And that makes no sense to me. Why wouldn't a stronger school system benefit everyone? What's the thought process? You like being the only option? That feels good to you? Or is it that if LT and JO (and hopefully Watkins) continue along their trajectories that SH will become a strong MS option, which will make you feel somehow less special?

Seriously, help me out here. Why would Brent parents hate on other schools. I know others hate on Brent out of jealousy, that makes sense to me. But what's the Brent though process? Is it a childish reflex that "s/he hit me first?

You're projecting. I suppose it's possible that some who recently paid $1MM+ to be IB for Brent might harbor some sense of smugness or superiority but , to be perfectly honest, I can't recall hearing either Ludlow or JO Wilson being discussed by Brent parents except in passing, such as whether they are good options for PK. I doubt most even know where these schools are located. I'll confess that I have only a vague idea in terms of orientation from Union Station. So, from my limited perspective, Brent parents aren't running around saying terrible things about other Hill schools as the topic isn't that interesting and they're not on our collective radar screens.

+1. I only associate with Brent parents so while I know there are other schools on the Hill, I only keep track of the names so I know who to avoid.

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Anonymous wrote:to the OP. I think the original choice would have to be yours just tour both schools. My DS has been attending JO Wilson since last year and is now into his 2nd year, and yes I played the lottery for Ludlow Taylor and he got in but after a week of careful thought and understanding my child I decided to keep him where he is..... and is there any regrets....DEFINITELY NOT!!! He is learning alot and I love his teacher. A child would learn in any capacity given the right instructor and along with the parents.

Is your child in pK? If so, that's far removed from laying the groundwork for serious academics three four years down the road.

I know someone with an early elementary child who transferred from JO to one of the highly regarded capitol hill elementary school (a few years after PK), and they say that academically the kids in that school are way behind the JO kids in the same grade. In terms of level of books they are reading, math problems, difficulty of words they can spell, etc. JO is an awesome school academically, the principle and all the teachers we have had are great.

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Anonymous wrote:Forgot to add that Brent and Ludlow are a little over a mile apart, with Brent in SE and Ludlow in NE. Plenty of threads discussing both schools can be found, along with helpful info and misinfo. Please take the time to tour both schools and talk with teachers and parents.

BTW, us [b]Brent folks will be getting our own Trader Noes and nearby Whole Foods in 2017 and we're within walking distance of the National Mall, Smithsonian Museums, Nationals Park, Yards Park and the Canal Park Skating Rink. Brent is two blocks from the Capitol South Metro (OR, BL, Sv) and close to some great family-friendly restaurants.

Wow. I had no idea that TJ and WF were being built exclusively for the Brent crowd!

Yes, it's true. You might be able to shop at either OOB for a little while, but with the number of sibs in the Brent district, I wouldn't count on it for long.

The Brent PTA has actually started a petition to stop WF and TJ from taking WIC. They want to eliminate FARMS kids at the start.

The system used wotp works well for this

Gloverpark WF: For the JKLM wannabe's
Tenleytown WF: For those pesky OOB that keep showing up
Friendship Heights WF: For the inbound, since you always need some extra shopping bling to keep up with the other moms

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do Tyler and Watkins get proximity preference to TJ? They are both closer to the Hine site than Brent

Potomac Gardens kids get first dibs on customers walking eastbound on Pennsylsvania Avenue.

Potomac Gardens is the biggest boogeyman on the Hill -- I hear Hill-O-Ween is going to be in the PG courtyard this year so white folk can feel more authentically scared.

Good to hear crime is just another urban legend. I'm looking forward to the Snopes explanation of the data patterns on the MPD Crime Map.

What makes you assume it's committed most (or at all) by the residents of stable Hill public housing? Does every criminal shit where they eat?

In my experience most people who engage in crimes of opportunity aren't really very smart. They are also more comfortable on their home turf when potential victims are plentiful. Grouped of kids aren't coming from PG County or Shaw to punch people and snatch their bags and cellphones. Enough with this silliness in a thread about two schools in NE.

This is the kind of silly racist assumption by a blowhard that quickly turns to 'but it's off topic' -- taking an obvious joke about schools and their airs of exclusivity and turning it into something uglier.

Much of the Hill crime comes through the Benning Road corridor from the east as it's an area of opportunity and easy access to get away. It's one reason you see more crime on the northeastern half of the Hill. Talk to 1st District officers if you doubt me. Potomac Gardens and Kentucky Courts are also home to a significant number of seniors citizens.

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There's a bit of a disconnect when you talk about crime on the Hill. Very often the more serious crimes (shootings and assaults, usually between adults) involve at least one party from outside the Hill. Also, victims typically are African-American.

Muggings (particularly of the teenager-snatching-an-iPhone variety) are more likely to involve teens who live closer in and also more likely to involve white victims, and receive more airtime on local list-servs and the like.

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Is it really true about the WIC petition by Brent parents? That can't be.

OP, We were looking for a house to buy last year and were looking in JO wilson or LT IB area. JO area is a little bit cheaper but not much- maybe more room for growth as the gentryfying wave moves north. We found a house IB for LT and like the school, and are planning on staying long term unless some 'major life event' occurs (relocation or bullying or something like that). We are high-ish SES but not as high maintance (we are ok with some tv, some candy, some bad words, etc) as other parents and I would feel inadequate at some schools...I just can't get all upset about some little stuff like not enough field trips or old fashioned AV system.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a bit of a disconnect when you talk about crime on the Hill. Very often the more serious crimes (shootings and assaults, usually between adults) involve at least one party from outside the Hill. Also, victims typically are African-American.

Muggings (particularly of the teenager-snatching-an-iPhone variety) are more likely to involve teens who live closer in and also more likely to involve white victims, and receive more airtime on local list-servs and the like.

in a lot of incidents the perpetrator and victims know each other (ie domestic), but there has been a spike in violent crime throughout many parts of DC and Ward 6 is no exception. I wish is was just snatch and runs -- a phone can be easily bricked and replaced.

Street crime involving force is not just white hysteria (and the victims cross race and class lines). There are numbers to back it up. Some people like PP are just quick to demonize easy targets like the closest public housing complex however disconnected from fact those assumptions may be.

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Anonymous wrote:Brent is a school full of rich white kids yet the scores are mediocre. There is also no middle school path. I would not listen to anyone that tells you to rely on Basis/Latin as those schools will be hard to get into by the time your LO reaches middle. For the same price or cheaper, you can move in Deal feeder. If you insist, I would pick LT for the diversity and better scores.

Greater "diversity" at LT than Brent? If you mean more low-income AA kids proportionately, yes, of course. If you mean more socioeconomic, international and racial diversity, absolutely not.

My kid's class at Brent has four or five AA kids, several kids of Asian descent (one of whom speaks beautiful Chinese), a Latina (who speaks Spanish at home), and several European kids (who speak European languages at home; their parents work for international organizations with DC HQs, e.g. the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund). In LT for ECE, we didn't see that sort of diversity, far from it.

Who cares about the silly test scores? In-boundary parents vote with their feet: Brent is more than half in-boundary, while LT is around 20%.

LT doesn't really have a MS path either, unless you're OK with Stuart Hobson (with a student body that's less than 10% high SES/white in a catchment area that's at least two-third high SES/white in 2015).

Hey, you dropped your hood! Racist and classicism all rolled up in one comment! Of course this person has NO idea what they are talking about. All lies!

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Anonymous wrote:Forgot to add that Brent and Ludlow are a little over a mile apart, with Brent in SE and Ludlow in NE. Plenty of threads discussing both schools can be found, along with helpful info and misinfo. Please take the time to tour both schools and talk with teachers and parents.

BTW, us [b]Brent folks will be getting our own Trader Noes and nearby Whole Foods in 2017 and we're within walking distance of the National Mall, Smithsonian Museums, Nationals Park, Yards Park and the Canal Park Skating Rink. Brent is two blocks from the Capitol South Metro (OR, BL, Sv) and close to some great family-friendly restaurants.

Wow. I had no idea that TJ and WF were being built exclusively for the Brent crowd!

Yes, it's true. You might be able to shop at either OOB for a little while, but with the number of sibs in the Brent district, I wouldn't count on it for long.

The Brent PTA has actually started a petition to stop WF and TJ from taking WIC. They want to eliminate FARMS kids at the start.

The system used wotp works well for this

Gloverpark WF: For the JKLM wannabe's
Tenleytown WF: For those pesky OOB that keep showing up
Friendship Heights WF: For the inbound, since you always need some extra shopping bling to keep up with the other moms

....

do Tyler and Watkins get proximity preference to TJ? They are both closer to the Hine site than Brent

Potomac Gardens kids get first dibs on customers walking eastbound on Pennsylsvania Avenue.

Potomac Gardens is the biggest boogeyman on the Hill -- I hear Hill-O-Ween is going to be in the PG courtyard this year so white folk can feel more authentically scared.

Good to hear crime is just another urban legend. I'm looking forward to the Snopes explanation of the data patterns on the MPD Crime Map.

What makes you assume it's committed most (or at all) by the residents of stable Hill public housing? Does every criminal shit where they eat?

In my experience most people who engage in crimes of opportunity aren't really very smart. They are also more comfortable on their home turf when potential victims are plentiful. Grouped of kids aren't coming from PG County or Shaw to punch people and snatch their bags and cellphones. Enough with this silliness in a thread about two schools in NE.

This is the kind of silly racist assumption by a blowhard that quickly turns to 'but it's off topic' -- taking an obvious joke about schools and their airs of exclusivity and turning it into something uglier.

Much of the Hill crime comes through the Benning Road corridor from the east as it's an area of opportunity and easy access to get away. It's one reason you see more crime on the northeastern half of the Hill. Talk to 1st District officers if you doubt me. Potomac Gardens and Kentucky Courts are also home to a significant number of seniors citizens.

You know that senior citizens...all that time on their hands and their "fixed income." Keep an eye on them.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it really true about the WIC petition by Brent parents? That can't be.

OP, We were looking for a house to buy last year and were looking in JO wilson or LT IB area. JO area is a little bit cheaper but not much- maybe more room for growth as the gentryfying wave moves north. We found a house IB for LT and like the school, and are planning on staying long term unless some 'major life event' occurs (relocation or bullying or something like that). We are high-ish SES but not as high maintance (we are ok with some tv, some candy, some bad words, etc) as other parents and I would feel inadequate at some schools...I just can't get all upset about some little stuff like not enough field trips or old fashioned AV system.

This post doesn't make sense. What are you trying to say?

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I wish I had ignored the naysayers and moved into jo wilson's cachement.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish I had ignored the naysayers and moved into jo wilson's cachement.

Why? What did you do instead?