Bafta awards controversy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can never understand what it’s like to be a person with Tourette’s syndrome or a person of color. That said, I agree with Jamie Fox and others on this. Many apologies and will not happen agains need to be given and BAFTA should not air. The fact the word was even in the man’s vocabulary says something. I’ll also add I was around a few people with Tourette’s syndrome for a year and no one said any racial slurs.

Isn’t it in everyone’s vocabulary? I’ve never said it in my life but it’s certainly in my head somewhere because I’ve heard people say it in music and TV shows.

My child has Tourette’s. Their vocal tics are animal noises — mostly sound like bird calls. My child does not have any interest in birding and has never been birding, yet there is is, popping out of their head. There are some CBT techniques you can use to suppress a tic—my child did the therapy at children’s. I don’t know how successful it is if you have an extreme version of it and I don’t know if it works for everyone. I am sure my child’s tics are distracting to some people, and they typically took tests in a separate room because of it, but were not otherwise excluded from classes even though I’m sure some kids would have preferred them to not be there.

I think all this is really hard, but I agree with PP that it seems easy enough for Bafta to edit out the words, and for the person with Tourette’s to make a sincere apology. I think the best way to view it as someone that accidentally said something that sounded like the word — lbut you knew that’s not what they were trying to say.

What a great post. I was just about to post this link that has one of the black actors that acts beside Davidson in I Swear. Now I think he should've been harder on BAFTA but that was pretty much already covered enough here

https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/4844QcMxqU

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So similar to the HGTV lady who "accidentally" shouted the N word.

If the N word is in your vocabulary and you arent part of that community, you're racist. Whether you involuntary shout racist things or not doesnt matter, because the racism is already there.

No coprolalia is not the same as that racist lady saying it. You're just ragebaiting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can never understand what it’s like to be a person with Tourette’s syndrome or a person of color. That said, I agree with Jamie Fox and others on this. Many apologies and will not happen agains need to be given and BAFTA should not air. The fact the word was even in the man’s vocabulary says something. I’ll also add I was around a few people with Tourette’s syndrome for a year and no one said any racial slurs.

Isn’t it in everyone’s vocabulary? I’ve never said it in my life but it’s certainly in my head somewhere because I’ve heard people say it in music and TV shows.

My child has Tourette’s. Their vocal tics are animal noises — mostly sound like bird calls. My child does not have any interest in birding and has never been birding, yet there is is, popping out of their head. There are some CBT techniques you can use to suppress a tic—my child did the therapy at children’s. I don’t know how successful it is if you have an extreme version of it and I don’t know if it works for everyone. I am sure my child’s tics are distracting to some people, and they typically took tests in a separate room because of it, but were not otherwise excluded from classes even though I’m sure some kids would have preferred them to not be there.

I think all this is really hard, but I agree with PP that it seems easy enough for Bafta to edit out the words, and for the person with Tourette’s to make a sincere apology. I think the best way to view it as someone that accidentally said something that sounded like the word — lbut you knew that’s not what they were trying to say.

No PP, we don’t pretend that Davidison didn’t actually say the N word. And his “apology” is out and he didn’t address what he said, who he said it to, and the impact of that word.

[Anonymous]

Something doesn’t have to intentional for you to still be responsible.

DH’s uncle was killed by a woman who had a seizure while driving. She didn’t intend to kill him. She didn’t intend to have a seizure. However, she had a prior accident due to a seizure the year before and during the investigation, admitted that she had some warnings and could have pulled over, but didn’t.

She hit DH’s uncle, who then hit his head on the curb and died.

[Anonymous]

Impact matters regardless of intent.

[Anonymous]

Really good points that apology didn’t address impact of word, historical significance, etc. and that impact matters regardless of intent.

[Anonymous]

What I don’t understand is all these Americans getting their knickers in a twist about this. How many of you were following the BAFTAs before this? Yet somehow this deeply affects you?

People will seize any opportunity to express their performative outrage, no matter how complex and nuanced the issue actually is…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I don’t understand is all these Americans getting their knickers in a twist about this. How many of you were following the BAFTAs before this? Yet somehow this deeply affects you?

People will seize any opportunity to express their performative outrage, no matter how complex and nuanced the issue actually is…

Racism affects everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can never understand what it’s like to be a person with Tourette’s syndrome or a person of color. That said, I agree with Jamie Fox and others on this. Many apologies and will not happen agains need to be given and BAFTA should not air. The fact the word was even in the man’s vocabulary says something. I’ll also add I was around a few people with Tourette’s syndrome for a year and no one said any racial slurs.

Isn’t it in everyone’s vocabulary? I’ve never said it in my life but it’s certainly in my head somewhere because I’ve heard people say it in music and TV shows.

My child has Tourette’s. Their vocal tics are animal noises — mostly sound like bird calls. My child does not have any interest in birding and has never been birding, yet there is is, popping out of their head. There are some CBT techniques you can use to suppress a tic—my child did the therapy at children’s. I don’t know how successful it is if you have an extreme version of it and I don’t know if it works for everyone. I am sure my child’s tics are distracting to some people, and they typically took tests in a separate room because of it, but were not otherwise excluded from classes even though I’m sure some kids would have preferred them to not be there.

I think all this is really hard, but I agree with PP that it seems easy enough for Bafta to edit out the words, and for the person with Tourette’s to make a sincere apology. I think the best way to view it as someone that accidentally said something that sounded like the word — lbut you knew that’s not what they were trying to say.

Did the man use the n-word other times of only when he sees black people?

It's a little bit like that HGTV host who dropped the n-word as an expletive. I know she's not disabled with Tourrettes but the fact that it's in one's vocabulary

How does Tourrettes work, say you hear French around but you don't speak it, if you are disabled will you involuntarily say French things?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So similar to the HGTV lady who "accidentally" shouted the N word.

If the N word is in your vocabulary and you arent part of that community, you're racist. Whether you involuntary shout racist things or not doesnt matter, because the racism is already there.

You misunderstand Tourette’s. They aren’t racist, they have:

While only about 10–15% of people with Tourette’s experience coprolalia, it is a complex vocal tic—an involuntary outburst of obscene, taboo, or derogatory remarks. Its the feature not the bug.

[Anonymous]

I understand about Tourette’s, but I also believe that an individual’s rights end where someone else’s begins.

The winners on stage had the right to enjoy their moment without having offensive things yelled at them, for whatever reason and no matter if it was racial slurs or sexual comments or just something gross and inappropriate.

I support the rights of disabled people to be included in public, but it’s very entitled to think your rights are more important than those of others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It was important for the person with Tourette’s to attend because “I Swear,” a movie about him and his condition, was a BAFTA contender.

The whole point of the movie is that we should all give more grace to someone with Tourette’s and coprolalia - they shouldn’t have to avoid public venues and not live life. This same person had an unfortunate outburst when he was getting his MBE award from Queen Elizabeth. She knew about his condition and he was still invited to the ceremony.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2n9709g0go

So maybe this was a stunt.

I'm on Team Black People. And I am disabled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I don’t understand is all these Americans getting their knickers in a twist about this. How many of you were following the BAFTAs before this? Yet somehow this deeply affects you?

People will seize any opportunity to express their performative outrage, no matter how complex and nuanced the issue actually is…

Like you’re doing right now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can understand the gentleman with Tourette's being unable to control his outbursts.

I can understand black people being offended.

I CANNOT understand the BAFTA producers and broadcast network making the deliberate choice to not edit the clip and remove those outbursts. Seems like a conscience decision to get the current visibility to the detriment of John Davidson, Delray Lindo, Michael B. Jordan, black people and folks with Tourettes.

Agree with all of this.

Also for the OP, please stop saying “blacks.” There were two Black actors on stage.

Don't tell other people how to speak. It's rude. Please and thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Really good points that apology didn’t address impact of word, historical significance, etc. and that impact matters regardless of intent.

+1