How did CBK bag JFK jr?

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Anonymous wrote:Kate and CBK weren’t really alike. Kate pursued William pretty steadfastly. CBK played it a lot cooler whether it was authentic or strategic.

Also think JFK jr. was older and more ready to commit than William was. Different dynamics… but I was a kid when JFK jr passed away, so this is just my impression based on what I’ve read after the fact.

Me again, thinking more about it, my analysis is that JFK jr was much more in love or besotted with Carolyn than William has ever been with Kate. With William you get the sense that he is bored or always feels he could have found a better match in some way. And I don’t sadly jfk jr and CBK passed away before their marriage was telling in any very long term kind of way.

But long story short I think jfk jr loved CBK more than she loved him and I think Kate loves/needs William more than he thinks he loves or needs her. William is more complicated because he has to stay married for image sake. And I’m sure he resents that and kind of projects it onto Kate. But what do I know - hopefully they’re happy.

I disagree.

I think William was attracted to Kate, her loving family, and the fact that she demonstrated she was in it for the long haul. I suspect he desperately wanted a wife who would provide a loving home for him and his children as well as someone strong enough to add value rather than require hand-holding. They seem to be a very good match. I really don’t understand all the dcum speculation about him not loving her. They seem really committed.

JFK Jr seemed to be really immature, self-centered, and needy. While he was obviously spoiled and easily bored by women who threw themselves at him, he seemed to be interested in the chase CBK laid out for him by simply following The Rules that were popular in the 90s. Plus, the timing worked in her favor: he was reeling from the death of his bossy pants mother and he probably latched onto CBK more quickly than he might have under different circumstances.

I think JFK Jr was attracted to her personality/behavior—perhaps the challenge and Chase she presented. While she wasn’t ugly, she really wasn’t gorgeous. He was way hotter than she was. Look at her nose and odd facial features. They were known to have passionate fights in public, and he probably got off on that.

Anyway, there’s no way the JFK Jr marriage would have lasted. She probably would have been the one to leave. He probably wanted a wife who would give him kids and enjoy being a mother, and she didn’t seem mature enough for that. She seemed self-centered just like him.

JFK jr and CBK might not have lasted had they lived, but he seemed passionate about her. William took ten years to marry Kate. They’ve also been plagued by a lot of rumors related to infidelity, living separately etc. he was photographed with other women in the Swiss alps while kate was pregnant with Louis.

I think it’s reasonable that he didn’t rush into marriage given the catastrophe of a marriage his parents had.

And unless the photos of him with other women were objectively romantic, I think it’s reasonable that he might have been off skiing with a group of friends while she relaxed at home.

While some boys of cheating fathers follow in their footsteps, some go in the other direction given their firsthand experience of coming from a broken home. I bet William and Harry are both extra-committed to making it work with their wives…if only for the sake of their kids.

William’s dad won’t live forever. His in-laws are essentially the surrogate family and loving grandparents for his kids. I doubt he wants to blow that up.

William is absolutely not going to blow it up and neither is kate. They are both committed to staying in the marriage but who knows what that means for them. They are not like us.

I don’t know about you, but I would not be pleased at all to see pictures of my husband drunkenly grinding with other women on a ski trip while I was home pregnant.

I don’t particularly like Meghan (I actually like Kate a lot better) but I 100% believe Harry is a more traditional, loyal and family oriented spouse than William. Meghan has the power in their marriage (because Harry needs someone to play that role) and William has the power in his.

Idk - maybe William deeply loves Kate. I used to think so. I just am not as convinced anymore. They’re also just regular people at the end of the day and most marriages are pretty boring 15 years in. Add to that the opportunities William has to step out, and the financial means to do anything he wants or have as many residences as they want.

Based on what? He's estranged from him family and the vast majority of his lifelong friends, which he shared in his book. He didn't do anything to help Meghan adjust to a new country, much less royal life. He left the country on some trip days after Archie was born.

He doesn't seem particularly loyal, traditional, or family focused. He seems impulsive, entitled, and immature. I feel sorry for Meghan. I think she thought she was marrying someone else.

I agree with all of those things about Harry. But I also think Meghan wears the pants in the relationship and Harry needs that. I think he made a point that he was leaving the BRF for Meghan and their family. So, they’re all he has. I also think he wants to have a successful happy family in a way that would feel like a big f-you to his father and brother. Obviously all speculation. I don’t feel bad for Meghan. She seems really difficult and holier than thou - and it’s like she wants to come off that way but she also wants to pretend to be a good, down to earth person and instead she just comes off as completely inauthentic.

William just usually strikes me as unhappy. I find it hard to believe that all of the rumors of his infertility are untrue.

Anyway this thread was about CBK. She “bagged” a Kennedy being beautiful, allegedly having a personality and being relatively elusive. JFK jr backpacked through India and he was searching for meaning and connections outside the very strange bubble he lived in. I’m guessing her not coming from his world was part of the attraction, another part of it was his having to pursue her.

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Anonymous wrote:Kate and CBK weren’t really alike. Kate pursued William pretty steadfastly. CBK played it a lot cooler whether it was authentic or strategic.

Also think JFK jr. was older and more ready to commit than William was. Different dynamics… but I was a kid when JFK jr passed away, so this is just my impression based on what I’ve read after the fact.

Me again, thinking more about it, my analysis is that JFK jr was much more in love or besotted with Carolyn than William has ever been with Kate. With William you get the sense that he is bored or always feels he could have found a better match in some way. And I don’t sadly jfk jr and CBK passed away before their marriage was telling in any very long term kind of way.

But long story short I think jfk jr loved CBK more than she loved him and I think Kate loves/needs William more than he thinks he loves or needs her. William is more complicated because he has to stay married for image sake. And I’m sure he resents that and kind of projects it onto Kate. But what do I know - hopefully they’re happy.

I disagree.

I think William was attracted to Kate, her loving family, and the fact that she demonstrated she was in it for the long haul. I suspect he desperately wanted a wife who would provide a loving home for him and his children as well as someone strong enough to add value rather than require hand-holding. They seem to be a very good match. I really don’t understand all the dcum speculation about him not loving her. They seem really committed.

JFK Jr seemed to be really immature, self-centered, and needy. While he was obviously spoiled and easily bored by women who threw themselves at him, he seemed to be interested in the chase CBK laid out for him by simply following The Rules that were popular in the 90s. Plus, the timing worked in her favor: he was reeling from the death of his bossy pants mother and he probably latched onto CBK more quickly than he might have under different circumstances.

I think JFK Jr was attracted to her personality/behavior—perhaps the challenge and Chase she presented. While she wasn’t ugly, she really wasn’t gorgeous. He was way hotter than she was. Look at her nose and odd facial features. They were known to have passionate fights in public, and he probably got off on that.

Anyway, there’s no way the JFK Jr marriage would have lasted. She probably would have been the one to leave. He probably wanted a wife who would give him kids and enjoy being a mother, and she didn’t seem mature enough for that. She seemed self-centered just like him.

JFK jr and CBK might not have lasted had they lived, but he seemed passionate about her. William took ten years to marry Kate. They’ve also been plagued by a lot of rumors related to infidelity, living separately etc. he was photographed with other women in the Swiss alps while kate was pregnant with Louis.

I think it’s reasonable that he didn’t rush into marriage given the catastrophe of a marriage his parents had.

And unless the photos of him with other women were objectively romantic, I think it’s reasonable that he might have been off skiing with a group of friends while she relaxed at home.

While some boys of cheating fathers follow in their footsteps, some go in the other direction given their firsthand experience of coming from a broken home. I bet William and Harry are both extra-committed to making it work with their wives…if only for the sake of their kids.

William’s dad won’t live forever. His in-laws are essentially the surrogate family and loving grandparents for his kids. I doubt he wants to blow that up.

William is absolutely not going to blow it up and neither is kate. They are both committed to staying in the marriage but who knows what that means for them. They are not like us.

I don’t know about you, but I would not be pleased at all to see pictures of my husband drunkenly grinding with other women on a ski trip while I was home pregnant.

I don’t particularly like Meghan (I actually like Kate a lot better) but I 100% believe Harry is a more traditional, loyal and family oriented spouse than William. Meghan has the power in their marriage (because Harry needs someone to play that role) and William has the power in his.

Idk - maybe William deeply loves Kate. I used to think so. I just am not as convinced anymore. They’re also just regular people at the end of the day and most marriages are pretty boring 15 years in. Add to that the opportunities William has to step out, and the financial means to do anything he wants or have as many residences as they want.

Based on what? He's estranged from him family and the vast majority of his lifelong friends, which he shared in his book. He didn't do anything to help Meghan adjust to a new country, much less royal life. He left the country on some trip days after Archie was born.

He doesn't seem particularly loyal, traditional, or family focused. He seems impulsive, entitled, and immature. I feel sorry for Meghan. I think she thought she was marrying someone else.

Not PP. I basically agree with the impulsive and immature thing. But I think that he is more loyal than William because (1) he needs Meghan more than William needs Kate (2) Harry derives a lot of his identity from being a husband whereas William has being future king and a phony statesman.

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Anonymous wrote:Kate and CBK weren’t really alike. Kate pursued William pretty steadfastly. CBK played it a lot cooler whether it was authentic or strategic.

Also think JFK jr. was older and more ready to commit than William was. Different dynamics… but I was a kid when JFK jr passed away, so this is just my impression based on what I’ve read after the fact.

Me again, thinking more about it, my analysis is that JFK jr was much more in love or besotted with Carolyn than William has ever been with Kate. With William you get the sense that he is bored or always feels he could have found a better match in some way. And I don’t sadly jfk jr and CBK passed away before their marriage was telling in any very long term kind of way.

But long story short I think jfk jr loved CBK more than she loved him and I think Kate loves/needs William more than he thinks he loves or needs her. William is more complicated because he has to stay married for image sake. And I’m sure he resents that and kind of projects it onto Kate. But what do I know - hopefully they’re happy.

I disagree.

I think William was attracted to Kate, her loving family, and the fact that she demonstrated she was in it for the long haul. I suspect he desperately wanted a wife who would provide a loving home for him and his children as well as someone strong enough to add value rather than require hand-holding. They seem to be a very good match. I really don’t understand all the dcum speculation about him not loving her. They seem really committed.

JFK Jr seemed to be really immature, self-centered, and needy. While he was obviously spoiled and easily bored by women who threw themselves at him, he seemed to be interested in the chase CBK laid out for him by simply following The Rules that were popular in the 90s. Plus, the timing worked in her favor: he was reeling from the death of his bossy pants mother and he probably latched onto CBK more quickly than he might have under different circumstances.

I think JFK Jr was attracted to her personality/behavior—perhaps the challenge and Chase she presented. While she wasn’t ugly, she really wasn’t gorgeous. He was way hotter than she was. Look at her nose and odd facial features. They were known to have passionate fights in public, and he probably got off on that.

Anyway, there’s no way the JFK Jr marriage would have lasted. She probably would have been the one to leave. He probably wanted a wife who would give him kids and enjoy being a mother, and she didn’t seem mature enough for that. She seemed self-centered just like him.

JFK jr and CBK might not have lasted had they lived, but he seemed passionate about her. William took ten years to marry Kate. They’ve also been plagued by a lot of rumors related to infidelity, living separately etc. he was photographed with other women in the Swiss alps while kate was pregnant with Louis.

I think it’s reasonable that he didn’t rush into marriage given the catastrophe of a marriage his parents had.

And unless the photos of him with other women were objectively romantic, I think it’s reasonable that he might have been off skiing with a group of friends while she relaxed at home.

While some boys of cheating fathers follow in their footsteps, some go in the other direction given their firsthand experience of coming from a broken home. I bet William and Harry are both extra-committed to making it work with their wives…if only for the sake of their kids.

William’s dad won’t live forever. His in-laws are essentially the surrogate family and loving grandparents for his kids. I doubt he wants to blow that up.

William is absolutely not going to blow it up and neither is kate. They are both committed to staying in the marriage but who knows what that means for them. They are not like us.

I don’t know about you, but I would not be pleased at all to see pictures of my husband drunkenly grinding with other women on a ski trip while I was home pregnant.

I don’t particularly like Meghan (I actually like Kate a lot better) but I 100% believe Harry is a more traditional, loyal and family oriented spouse than William. Meghan has the power in their marriage (because Harry needs someone to play that role) and William has the power in his.

Idk - maybe William deeply loves Kate. I used to think so. I just am not as convinced anymore. They’re also just regular people at the end of the day and most marriages are pretty boring 15 years in. Add to that the opportunities William has to step out, and the financial means to do anything he wants or have as many residences as they want.

Based on what? He's estranged from him family and the vast majority of his lifelong friends, which he shared in his book. He didn't do anything to help Meghan adjust to a new country, much less royal life. He left the country on some trip days after Archie was born.

He doesn't seem particularly loyal, traditional, or family focused. He seems impulsive, entitled, and immature. I feel sorry for Meghan. I think she thought she was marrying someone else.

Not PP. I basically agree with the impulsive and immature thing. But I think that he is more loyal than William because (1) he needs Meghan more than William needs Kate (2) Harry derives a lot of his identity from being a husband whereas William has being future king and a phony statesman.

The identity is a fair point with Harry. He left his "career", his family, friends, home, all for her. He has to make it work.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this playbook even a secret anymore?

Be beautiful, sleek, like a purebred, appear as normal as possible, be effortlessly fashionable, keep yourself up and make yourself permanent eye candy

Melania, really. Except she produced a lurch of a son, but whatever.

Men want different things for different roles.

Wives have always been show ponies.

Other horses are meant for riding. This is old news.

Yes this exactly

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Anonymous wrote:Kate and CBK weren’t really alike. Kate pursued William pretty steadfastly. CBK played it a lot cooler whether it was authentic or strategic.

Also think JFK jr. was older and more ready to commit than William was. Different dynamics… but I was a kid when JFK jr passed away, so this is just my impression based on what I’ve read after the fact.

Me again, thinking more about it, my analysis is that JFK jr was much more in love or besotted with Carolyn than William has ever been with Kate. With William you get the sense that he is bored or always feels he could have found a better match in some way. And I don’t sadly jfk jr and CBK passed away before their marriage was telling in any very long term kind of way.

But long story short I think jfk jr loved CBK more than she loved him and I think Kate loves/needs William more than he thinks he loves or needs her. William is more complicated because he has to stay married for image sake. And I’m sure he resents that and kind of projects it onto Kate. But what do I know - hopefully they’re happy.

I disagree.

I think William was attracted to Kate, her loving family, and the fact that she demonstrated she was in it for the long haul. I suspect he desperately wanted a wife who would provide a loving home for him and his children as well as someone strong enough to add value rather than require hand-holding. They seem to be a very good match. I really don’t understand all the dcum speculation about him not loving her. They seem really committed.

JFK Jr seemed to be really immature, self-centered, and needy. While he was obviously spoiled and easily bored by women who threw themselves at him, he seemed to be interested in the chase CBK laid out for him by simply following The Rules that were popular in the 90s. Plus, the timing worked in her favor: he was reeling from the death of his bossy pants mother and he probably latched onto CBK more quickly than he might have under different circumstances.

I think JFK Jr was attracted to her personality/behavior—perhaps the challenge and Chase she presented. While she wasn’t ugly, she really wasn’t gorgeous. He was way hotter than she was. Look at her nose and odd facial features. They were known to have passionate fights in public, and he probably got off on that.

Anyway, there’s no way the JFK Jr marriage would have lasted. She probably would have been the one to leave. He probably wanted a wife who would give him kids and enjoy being a mother, and she didn’t seem mature enough for that. She seemed self-centered just like him.

JFK jr and CBK might not have lasted had they lived, but he seemed passionate about her. William took ten years to marry Kate. They’ve also been plagued by a lot of rumors related to infidelity, living separately etc. he was photographed with other women in the Swiss alps while kate was pregnant with Louis.

I think it’s reasonable that he didn’t rush into marriage given the catastrophe of a marriage his parents had.

And unless the photos of him with other women were objectively romantic, I think it’s reasonable that he might have been off skiing with a group of friends while she relaxed at home.

While some boys of cheating fathers follow in their footsteps, some go in the other direction given their firsthand experience of coming from a broken home. I bet William and Harry are both extra-committed to making it work with their wives…if only for the sake of their kids.

William’s dad won’t live forever. His in-laws are essentially the surrogate family and loving grandparents for his kids. I doubt he wants to blow that up.

William is absolutely not going to blow it up and neither is kate. They are both committed to staying in the marriage but who knows what that means for them. They are not like us.

I don’t know about you, but I would not be pleased at all to see pictures of my husband drunkenly grinding with other women on a ski trip while I was home pregnant.

I don’t particularly like Meghan (I actually like Kate a lot better) but I 100% believe Harry is a more traditional, loyal and family oriented spouse than William. Meghan has the power in their marriage (because Harry needs someone to play that role) and William has the power in his.

Idk - maybe William deeply loves Kate. I used to think so. I just am not as convinced anymore. They’re also just regular people at the end of the day and most marriages are pretty boring 15 years in. Add to that the opportunities William has to step out, and the financial means to do anything he wants or have as many residences as they want.

Based on what? He's estranged from him family and the vast majority of his lifelong friends, which he shared in his book. He didn't do anything to help Meghan adjust to a new country, much less royal life. He left the country on some trip days after Archie was born.

He doesn't seem particularly loyal, traditional, or family focused. He seems impulsive, entitled, and immature. I feel sorry for Meghan. I think she thought she was marrying someone else.

I agree with all of those things about Harry. But I also think Meghan wears the pants in the relationship and Harry needs that. I think he made a point that he was leaving the BRF for Meghan and their family. So, they’re all he has. I also think he wants to have a successful happy family in a way that would feel like a big f-you to his father and brother. Obviously all speculation. I don’t feel bad for Meghan. She seems really difficult and holier than thou - and it’s like she wants to come off that way but she also wants to pretend to be a good, down to earth person and instead she just comes off as completely inauthentic.

William just usually strikes me as unhappy. I find it hard to believe that all of the rumors of his infertility are untrue.

Anyway this thread was about CBK. She “bagged” a Kennedy being beautiful, allegedly having a personality and being relatively elusive. JFK jr backpacked through India and he was searching for meaning and connections outside the very strange bubble he lived in. I’m guessing her not coming from his world was part of the attraction, another part of it was his having to pursue her.

I think to be fair Meghan kind of has to wear the pants in that couple. Prince Harry never really had to manage anything, it was all taken care of, well except for his mental wellbeing. Materially he was spoiled but a disaster on the inside with that royal family.

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Why are there more posts about Kate than CBK? Stop hijacking the OP.

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Anonymous wrote:She played hard to get (or maybe was genuinely not interested at first, who knows) which was novel to him. And I wouldn’t say anyone killed by their husband’s foolishness “married well.”

This. He failed at his primary job as a husband.

Thinking he could handle the flight seems like a stereotypical male.

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She was probably the first woman he’d ever met who wasn’t throwing herself at him, and for once he got to be the one to chase and pursue. Evolutionary biology 101. The rules, why men marry b-tches, why men marry some women and not others… all the same playbook.

Plus he needed to marry a certain type of woman and she had the right optics. Attractive but not hot/sexy in a trashy Hollywood way, came from some money and had a successful career so she wasn’t giving gold digger.

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Anonymous wrote:Kate and CBK weren’t really alike. Kate pursued William pretty steadfastly. CBK played it a lot cooler whether it was authentic or strategic.

Also think JFK jr. was older and more ready to commit than William was. Different dynamics… but I was a kid when JFK jr passed away, so this is just my impression based on what I’ve read after the fact.

Me again, thinking more about it, my analysis is that JFK jr was much more in love or besotted with Carolyn than William has ever been with Kate. With William you get the sense that he is bored or always feels he could have found a better match in some way. And I don’t sadly jfk jr and CBK passed away before their marriage was telling in any very long term kind of way.

But long story short I think jfk jr loved CBK more than she loved him and I think Kate loves/needs William more than he thinks he loves or needs her. William is more complicated because he has to stay married for image sake. And I’m sure he resents that and kind of projects it onto Kate. But what do I know - hopefully they’re happy.

I disagree.

I think William was attracted to Kate, her loving family, and the fact that she demonstrated she was in it for the long haul. I suspect he desperately wanted a wife who would provide a loving home for him and his children as well as someone strong enough to add value rather than require hand-holding. They seem to be a very good match. I really don’t understand all the dcum speculation about him not loving her. They seem really committed.

JFK Jr seemed to be really immature, self-centered, and needy. While he was obviously spoiled and easily bored by women who threw themselves at him, he seemed to be interested in the chase CBK laid out for him by simply following The Rules that were popular in the 90s. Plus, the timing worked in her favor: he was reeling from the death of his bossy pants mother and he probably latched onto CBK more quickly than he might have under different circumstances.

I think JFK Jr was attracted to her personality/behavior—perhaps the challenge and Chase she presented. While she wasn’t ugly, she really wasn’t gorgeous. He was way hotter than she was. Look at her nose and odd facial features. They were known to have passionate fights in public, and he probably got off on that.

Anyway, there’s no way the JFK Jr marriage would have lasted. She probably would have been the one to leave. He probably wanted a wife who would give him kids and enjoy being a mother, and she didn’t seem mature enough for that. She seemed self-centered just like him.

DP. This honestly is a very American lens to put over William/Kate dynamic. The people in the royal family truly believe that they are better than people that are not a part of the aristocracy. That’s why you end up with someone like Prince Andrew, who can get arrested in claim, but I’m the son of the queen or you have someone like Charles who would think nothing of basically marrying a 19-year-old that he did not love to be his broodmare. The joke about Williams’s parents was that Diana’s blood was even bluer than his father’s. William spent his whole youth dating and attempting to walk down someone from the social class that he was raised in and ultimately had no takers. So he married someone outside of his class at 30. He might have done that from a place of love even though they broke up multiple times for him to pursue other women but he almost certainly views her as needing to be grateful for tha choice. So from our perspective as Americans, we see a family that was financially comfortable and seemingly stable and a woman that is much better looking than her partner tend to view everything through that. But I guess it really comes down to if you think that someone can be raised to be a good spouse in the sort of system where their father and grandfather and great grandfather before them have cheated, and where their position in life and importance in the family is based on birth order. If you look at all of the divorces amongst the queen’s children, it does not seem that it’s possible, but who knows.

Agee that jfk and cbk would not have lasted. I think CBK would really have struggled with the power imbalance that would have resulted from her being pregnant/a mom.

Cheating is not at all limited to royalty. A quick perusal of DCUM relationship forum would show as much. People cheat across the entire SES range.

At this point, I think that William definitely needs Kate more than she needs him. The BRF is in a deep crisis and has a dire shortage of positive role models. Kate brings stability, loyalty, motherhood and good looks all wrapped up and poised to be Queen. People like her. If William let this marriage break down, it would doom the monarchy. I think they are both perfectly aware of that. The consequences of divorce would be much more dire for William and BRF than for Kate.

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Anonymous wrote:He married up, and killed her and her brilliant sister because of his ego and deep, deep stupidity.

This

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Thoughts:
- CBK is not technically beautiful if we look at nose dimensions, etc. But she has a certain presence and style that is dynamic.
- She was completely unprepared for the marriage in terms of lack of privacy and Kennedy family dynamics.
- Her old boyfriend, the CK underwear stud was her escape from marriage pressure, though he seems like an ass.
- JFK did not seem like the smartest guy around and the last minutes of that plane ride must have been sheer panic and screaming. It's an airplane, you idiot. Why would you take it up on a bad weather night when you had to make two landings and have a leg cast?

As for Meghan and Harry, she is a very good looking woman who has him totally whooped.

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Anonymous wrote:Thoughts:
- CBK is not technically beautiful if we look at nose dimensions, etc. But she has a certain presence and style that is dynamic.
- She was completely unprepared for the marriage in terms of lack of privacy and Kennedy family dynamics.
- Her old boyfriend, the CK underwear stud was her escape from marriage pressure, though he seems like an ass.
- JFK did not seem like the smartest guy around and the last minutes of that plane ride must have been sheer panic and screaming. It's an airplane, you idiot. Why would you take it up on a bad weather night when you had to make two landings and have a leg cast?

As for Meghan and Harry, she is a very good looking woman who has him totally whooped.

They call it “dark terror.”

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Anonymous wrote:I think she used "The Rules." That was the heyday of that stuff. I thought if this when watching the show. Came out in '95.

It worked for me . lol. I met my husband in 1996. We were engaged a year later. He was a very hot commodity.

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One thing that really strikes me when I look at old photos of Carolyn, both before and after she started dating John, is what her upkeep for her appearance must have cost. Her hair alone would have been in the thousands every year -- she had one of the most perfect blondes ever, the kind that requires one of the really skilled master colorists. I bet women must have been walking into salons with her photo for years looking for that color and tone. Better than Gwyneth's and GOOP was definitely a NY blonde icon at that time.

But it's not just the hair. Obviously she worked in fashion so her clothes are impeccable but it's the details. I don't think people appreciate how hard it is to achieve that aesthetic, where it looks so basic and simple but it's perfect. Perfect red lip. Perfect accessories. Every piece of clothing tailored -- I think she likely got t shirts and jeans tailored even. For a non-celeb without a trust fund to accomplish that is frankly really impressive. And she did it while working a fairly demanding job -- fashion PR is long hours and a lot of travel.

It seems superficial, because it is, but it also demonstrates the lengths she was willing to go to in order to achieve what she wanted. It shows real discipline, eye for detail, restraint.

Based on her look alone, it doesn't surprise me she wound up marrying the most eligible bachelor of the decade.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing that really strikes me when I look at old photos of Carolyn, both before and after she started dating John, is what her upkeep for her appearance must have cost. Her hair alone would have been in the thousands every year -- she had one of the most perfect blondes ever, the kind that requires one of the really skilled master colorists. I bet women must have been walking into salons with her photo for years looking for that color and tone. Better than Gwyneth's and GOOP was definitely a NY blonde icon at that time.

But it's not just the hair. Obviously she worked in fashion so her clothes are impeccable but it's the details. I don't think people appreciate how hard it is to achieve that aesthetic, where it looks so basic and simple but it's perfect. Perfect red lip. Perfect accessories. Every piece of clothing tailored -- I think she likely got t shirts and jeans tailored even. For a non-celeb without a trust fund to accomplish that is frankly really impressive. And she did it while working a fairly demanding job -- fashion PR is long hours and a lot of travel.

It seems superficial, because it is, but it also demonstrates the lengths she was willing to go to in order to achieve what she wanted. It shows real discipline, eye for detail, restraint.

Based on her look alone, it doesn't surprise me she wound up marrying the most eligible bachelor of the decade.

Eh, not quite.

I had a relative who worked in fashion in the 90s before she got married.

Young, thin, and fashion savvy goes a very long way.

Like Carolyn, she had gorgeous hair, great skin, thin (but my relative has great boobs), etc. and clothes just look great on her.

When she was young and in fashion, she mixed expensive pieces with off the rack from places like Gap, JCrew, Banana, etc. And she rarely needed to tailor anything. Some people are just lucky like that.

And my relative is still very fashion savvy but it comes across as effortless. She mostly wears simple, elegant clothes that are classic and basic. Jewelry is high quality and expensive but looks very classic. I know that she needs to tailor some things now, but she says it’s because the overall quality of clothing has simply gone down.

My relative is quite affluent now (married well). She’s the person that everyone says looks effortlessly beautiful and always dresses for the event. At low key fun events, she looks cool. At dressy events, she looks the most elegant.