What happened to young men?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You mean the young women weren't harassed like when you were young?

The horror! They can actually attend parties, eat, drink and chat like actual human beings, without being followed, surrounded, or need to watch their drink the entire time.

Instead, if they're interested in a young man their age, they can go up to him and start a conversation, peer-to-peer.

How sad for them, OP.

But the issue is they don't go up to guys. And guys don't go up to them out of fear, ever though woman naturally expect them the male to approach.

They want guys they're attracted to to come up and talk to them. I think the problem is men have a harder time determining whether they are attractive to women or not, whether due to covid or too much time online or whatever. It's also possible young men are less attractive compared to young men in the past, see studies on testosterone decline, etc.

Men are getting destroyed by women. It’s like a sport. That Lots of those TikTok videos of women making fun or embarrassing men who approach women. It’s a cultural thing now. If you are a young man and you approach a woman you are atypical and an outliner. Most likely have EQ deficiency or something worst,

Ultimately it's a culture/society problem. Men are raised in a world where they see Kevin James or Ray Romano on TV with a hot chick and think "Great! Looks don't matter in men!" and therefore have no idea where they are on the totem pole, when the stark reality is the typical guy is not only not attractive to the hot chick, they're not attractive to any woman. And the revealed preference is that most women don't want any man to come up and bother them. Sure when pollsters call they might say they wish more when would approach, but they are imagining a handsome, confident man, not the typical man. That's why the average young woman is wearing headphones, keeping their head down. Most men have no idea they're unattractive or assume it doesn't matter/can be overcome with confidence/charisma/charm.
The only downside of the metoo movement for women is that actual attractive men are much less likely to approach.

OK Grandma. Any more advice gleaned from TV shows that were off the air before these men were born?

[Anonymous]

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Sure. But absolutely no young man is going to know whether their approach to a young woman is going to be deemed flirting or harassment. And social media makes the consequences of misjudging and a shoot down enormous. These boys grew up while men like Al Franken were absolutely destroyed for... No one knows why Al Franken was destroyed. But it had to do with a mild joke relating to a woman. He got wrecked for it. A smart guy, a US Senator, trying to do the right thing, and he got destroyed for a very mid and harmless joke from a long time ago.

So these boys grew up with that and MeToo. And they learned that talking to women is incredibly dangerous. You can destroy your entire life with a bad joke or a woman rejecting him and posting on social media about it. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking about an awkward date Aziz Ansari had. That date posted all about it online and it nearly destroyed this man's career.

The lesson these young men have learned is that flirting is dangerous business today. Combine that with the covid isolation, which definitely affected social skills, and the damn phones, and it's not a great time for a young man to take a risk and talk to a woman today.

It's sad and pathetic. But the lameness of young men today is not entirely irrational. And they have their porn. So a lot of them are checked out and don't even try.

Al Franken was a grown man who got photographed committing a crime--touching a woman's breasts without her consent while asleep.

And then a grown man and felon who openly talked about having sex with his teenage daughter, counted a convicted pedophile and trafficker as his buddy and was found liable for rape in a court of law became President of the United States.

What point were you trying to make, exactly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You mean the young women weren't harassed like when you were young?

The horror! They can actually attend parties, eat, drink and chat like actual human beings, without being followed, surrounded, or need to watch their drink the entire time.

Instead, if they're interested in a young man their age, they can go up to him and start a conversation, peer-to-peer.

How sad for them, OP.

But the issue is they don't go up to guys. And guys don't go up to them out of fear, ever though woman naturally expect them the male to approach.

They want guys they're attracted to to come up and talk to them. I think the problem is men have a harder time determining whether they are attractive to women or not, whether due to covid or too much time online or whatever. It's also possible young men are less attractive compared to young men in the past, see studies on testosterone decline, etc.

Men are getting destroyed by women. It’s like a sport. That Lots of those TikTok videos of women making fun or embarrassing men who approach women. It’s a cultural thing now. If you are a young man and you approach a woman you are atypical and an outliner. Most likely have EQ deficiency or something worst,

If you are approaching girls who make fun of you online, you are poor at discerning character. You can get some insight into someone's energy and poise even before you approaching them. Never met a highly educated young woman who will make fun of you online for approaching her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You mean the young women weren't harassed like when you were young?

The horror! They can actually attend parties, eat, drink and chat like actual human beings, without being followed, surrounded, or need to watch their drink the entire time.

Instead, if they're interested in a young man their age, they can go up to him and start a conversation, peer-to-peer.

How sad for them, OP.

But the issue is they don't go up to guys. And guys don't go up to them out of fear, ever though woman naturally expect them the male to approach.

We can worry about that later. For now, less harassment is a win.

Sure. But absolutely no young man is going to know whether their approach to a young woman is going to be deemed flirting or harassment. And social media makes the consequences of misjudging and a shoot down enormous. These boys grew up while men like Al Franken were absolutely destroyed for... No one knows why Al Franken was destroyed. But it had to do with a mild joke relating to a woman. He got wrecked for it. A smart guy, a US Senator, trying to do the right thing, and he got destroyed for a very mid and harmless joke from a long time ago.

So these boys grew up with that and MeToo. And they learned that talking to women is incredibly dangerous. You can destroy your entire life with a bad joke or a woman rejecting him and posting on social media about it. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking about an awkward date Aziz Ansari had. That date posted all about it online and it nearly destroyed this man's career.

The lesson these young men have learned is that flirting is dangerous business today. Combine that with the covid isolation, which definitely affected social skills, and the damn phones, and it's not a great time for a young man to take a risk and talk to a woman today.

It's sad and pathetic. But the lameness of young men today is not entirely irrational. And they have their porn. So a lot of them are checked out and don't even try.

This is such BS even though it's repeated so often. Creepy harassing behavior is easily defined and if you don't know the difference between that and flirting, then you probably shouldn't approach women until you learn.

No one knows why Al Franken was destroyed? You've got to be kidding. That kind of tells me you don't know what constitutes being a creep and shouldn't be allowed to approach women. Eight women have spoken out publicly detailing different alleged incidents when Sen. Al Franken groped or tried to kiss them. Are you really forgetting this photo? https://s.abcnews.com/images/Politics/al-franken-02-ht-jc-171116.jpg The first woman to come forward with allegations of impropriety against Franken was Tweeden, a female radio host. She claimed Franken, now Minnesota's junior Democratic senator, groped her while she was sleeping aboard a military plane on her way home from a USO tour in 2006. The alleged incident was captured in a photograph. She also claimed he forcibly kissed her when they were practicing a performance together for troops overseas.

"I felt disgusting and violated," Tweeden wrote in a post on KABC's website on Nov. 16.

I'll admit, the consequences were harsh but he got caught up in a time where the left was normalizing and weaponizing cancel culture and those same rules applied to him. You can't have it both ways.

You hit the nail on the head, but what is an innocuous "...hi nice to me my name is Bill" to one woman could be a "what a creep" to the other if she is attracted to him. And social media has set the base line "standard" so high, young men have no idea where they fall. They could be great guy but as soon as she find out that they don't meet the 666, or 689 standard she will never talk to him again. And she will probably never meet or have a relationship with any one that does meet the standard. Combine the two several 10s of thousands of times and you have a societal problem, like the one we have now.

It is what is weird or creepy, it is what the woman defines as weird or creepy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You mean the young women weren't harassed like when you were young?

The horror! They can actually attend parties, eat, drink and chat like actual human beings, without being followed, surrounded, or need to watch their drink the entire time.

Instead, if they're interested in a young man their age, they can go up to him and start a conversation, peer-to-peer.

How sad for them, OP.

But the issue is they don't go up to guys. And guys don't go up to them out of fear, ever though woman naturally expect them the male to approach.

We can worry about that later. For now, less harassment is a win.

Sure. But absolutely no young man is going to know whether their approach to a young woman is going to be deemed flirting or harassment. And social media makes the consequences of misjudging and a shoot down enormous. These boys grew up while men like Al Franken were absolutely destroyed for... No one knows why Al Franken was destroyed. But it had to do with a mild joke relating to a woman. He got wrecked for it. A smart guy, a US Senator, trying to do the right thing, and he got destroyed for a very mid and harmless joke from a long time ago.

So these boys grew up with that and MeToo. And they learned that talking to women is incredibly dangerous. You can destroy your entire life with a bad joke or a woman rejecting him and posting on social media about it. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking about an awkward date Aziz Ansari had. That date posted all about it online and it nearly destroyed this man's career.

The lesson these young men have learned is that flirting is dangerous business today. Combine that with the covid isolation, which definitely affected social skills, and the damn phones, and it's not a great time for a young man to take a risk and talk to a woman today.

It's sad and pathetic. But the lameness of young men today is not entirely irrational. And they have their porn. So a lot of them are checked out and don't even try.

This is such BS even though it's repeated so often. Creepy harassing behavior is easily defined and if you don't know the difference between that and flirting, then you probably shouldn't approach women until you learn.

No one knows why Al Franken was destroyed? You've got to be kidding. That kind of tells me you don't know what constitutes being a creep and shouldn't be allowed to approach women. Eight women have spoken out publicly detailing different alleged incidents when Sen. Al Franken groped or tried to kiss them. Are you really forgetting this photo? https://s.abcnews.com/images/Politics/al-franken-02-ht-jc-171116.jpg The first woman to come forward with allegations of impropriety against Franken was Tweeden, a female radio host. She claimed Franken, now Minnesota's junior Democratic senator, groped her while she was sleeping aboard a military plane on her way home from a USO tour in 2006. The alleged incident was captured in a photograph. She also claimed he forcibly kissed her when they were practicing a performance together for troops overseas.

"I felt disgusting and violated," Tweeden wrote in a post on KABC's website on Nov. 16.

I'll admit, the consequences were harsh but he got caught up in a time where the left was normalizing and weaponizing cancel culture and those same rules applied to him. You can't have it both ways.

You hit the nail on the head, but what is an innocuous "...hi nice to me my name is Bill" to one woman could be a "what a creep" to the other if she is attracted to him. And social media has set the base line "standard" so high, young men have no idea where they fall. They could be great guy but as soon as she find out that they don't meet the 666, or 689 standard she will never talk to him again. And she will probably never meet or have a relationship with any one that does meet the standard. Combine the two several 10s of thousands of times and you have a societal problem, like the one we have now.

It is what is weird or creepy, it is what the woman defines as weird or creepy.

Last sentence should say "It isn't what IS weird or creepy, it is what the woman rightly or wrongly defines as weird or creepy."

[Anonymous]

When I was a kid, boys and girls stood across from each other at the school dances and barely talked. That was in the 80s. This isn't new.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When I was a kid, boys and girls stood across from each other at the school dances and barely talked. That was in the 80s. This isn't new.

In elementary school.

[Anonymous]

If a random young guy talks to a woman he doesn’t know, it’s creepy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I was a kid, boys and girls stood across from each other at the school dances and barely talked. That was in the 80s. This isn't new.

In elementary school.

Saw plenty of this at college parties too. The people who already knew each other would talk, but plenty of times where circles of guys weren't talking to girls and circles of girls weren't talking to guys. Especially early in the party. Once the booze started flowing, the genders started talking.

Maybe the problem is that Kids These Days (tm) just aren't drinking enough.

[Anonymous]

Boys in 2025 are constantly trained not to harass or speak with girls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Boys in 2025 are constantly trained not to harass or speak with girls.

Is this training they're receiving via social media? Or are they generally getting this training elsewhere as well (realizing that there's a lot of boys out there and, so, there will be a range of experiences.)

In any case, it's another reminder that we *should* be training boys (and everyone else) to ignore social media. It's like looking at the world through a fun house mirror.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You mean the young women weren't harassed like when you were young?

The horror! They can actually attend parties, eat, drink and chat like actual human beings, without being followed, surrounded, or need to watch their drink the entire time.

Instead, if they're interested in a young man their age, they can go up to him and start a conversation, peer-to-peer.

How sad for them, OP.

But the issue is they don't go up to guys. And guys don't go up to them out of fear, ever though woman naturally expect them the male to approach.

We can worry about that later. For now, less harassment is a win.

Sure. But absolutely no young man is going to know whether their approach to a young woman is going to be deemed flirting or harassment. And social media makes the consequences of misjudging and a shoot down enormous. These boys grew up while men like Al Franken were absolutely destroyed for... No one knows why Al Franken was destroyed. But it had to do with a mild joke relating to a woman. He got wrecked for it. A smart guy, a US Senator, trying to do the right thing, and he got destroyed for a very mid and harmless joke from a long time ago.

So these boys grew up with that and MeToo. And they learned that talking to women is incredibly dangerous. You can destroy your entire life with a bad joke or a woman rejecting him and posting on social media about it. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking about an awkward date Aziz Ansari had. That date posted all about it online and it nearly destroyed this man's career.

The lesson these young men have learned is that flirting is dangerous business today. Combine that with the covid isolation, which definitely affected social skills, and the damn phones, and it's not a great time for a young man to take a risk and talk to a woman today.

It's sad and pathetic. But the lameness of young men today is not entirely irrational. And they have their porn. So a lot of them are checked out and don't even try.

Sexual assault. Jesus Christ. You think sexual assault is NBD for women these days? Disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Me Too has scared the S out of them.

Scott Galloway talks about issues facing young men and his related research, interesting to listen to.

young men think that just talking to a woman in a crowded room where there are lots of witnesses is going to end up in a metoo tiktok?

[Anonymous]

Video games
Smart phones
P0rn
DoorDash

All contributers to the decline of young men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Boys in 2025 are constantly trained not to harass or speak with girls.

There is a wide line between harassment and just speaking to someone. If young men don't understand the difference, IMO, they need social interaction lessons.