What happened to young men?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You mean the young women weren't harassed like when you were young?

The horror! They can actually attend parties, eat, drink and chat like actual human beings, without being followed, surrounded, or need to watch their drink the entire time.

Instead, if they're interested in a young man their age, they can go up to him and start a conversation, peer-to-peer.

How sad for them, OP.

But the issue is they don't go up to guys. And guys don't go up to them out of fear, ever though woman naturally expect them the male to approach.

They want guys they're attracted to to come up and talk to them. I think the problem is men have a harder time determining whether they are attractive to women or not, whether due to covid or too much time online or whatever. It's also possible young men are less attractive compared to young men in the past, see studies on testosterone decline, etc.

Men are getting destroyed by women. It’s like a sport. That Lots of those TikTok videos of women making fun or embarrassing men who approach women. It’s a cultural thing now. If you are a young man and you approach a woman you are atypical and an outliner. Most likely have EQ deficiency or something worst,

It may sound harsh, but I think those women are in the end doing those guys a favor. Men often don't even know they are unattractive until a moment like this happens. Realistically a TikTok video making fun of you won't destroy your career, but it's just the unsubtle lesson some men need to know they aren't the ones that women want approaching them. If unattractive men stopped approaching regular women, women could ease up, put down the headphones, smile more in public, etc. and the art of flirting and romance would come back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Me Too has scared the S out of them.

Scott Galloway talks about issues facing young men and his related research, interesting to listen to.

young men think that just talking to a woman in a crowded room where there are lots of witnesses is going to end up in a metoo tiktok?

No they are scared that the woman will act like the woman on ticktok and bash them to half the room or to half the world on tiktok. Stupid, I know but that really is the reality. A lot of woman have unrealistic standards because of social media, and men have no idea if they are approaching someone grounded in reality or someone with the standards social media says they should have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You mean the young women weren't harassed like when you were young?

The horror! They can actually attend parties, eat, drink and chat like actual human beings, without being followed, surrounded, or need to watch their drink the entire time.

Instead, if they're interested in a young man their age, they can go up to him and start a conversation, peer-to-peer.

How sad for them, OP.

But the issue is they don't go up to guys. And guys don't go up to them out of fear, ever though woman naturally expect them the male to approach.

We can worry about that later. For now, less harassment is a win.

Sure. But absolutely no young man is going to know whether their approach to a young woman is going to be deemed flirting or harassment. And social media makes the consequences of misjudging and a shoot down enormous. These boys grew up while men like Al Franken were absolutely destroyed for... No one knows why Al Franken was destroyed. But it had to do with a mild joke relating to a woman. He got wrecked for it. A smart guy, a US Senator, trying to do the right thing, and he got destroyed for a very mid and harmless joke from a long time ago.

So these boys grew up with that and MeToo. And they learned that talking to women is incredibly dangerous. You can destroy your entire life with a bad joke or a woman rejecting him and posting on social media about it. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking about an awkward date Aziz Ansari had. That date posted all about it online and it nearly destroyed this man's career.

The lesson these young men have learned is that flirting is dangerous business today. Combine that with the covid isolation, which definitely affected social skills, and the damn phones, and it's not a great time for a young man to take a risk and talk to a woman today.

It's sad and pathetic. But the lameness of young men today is not entirely irrational. And they have their porn. So a lot of them are checked out and don't even try.

This is such BS even though it's repeated so often. Creepy harassing behavior is easily defined and if you don't know the difference between that and flirting, then you probably shouldn't approach women until you learn.

It’s amazing how many men pretend to be befuddled by harassment.

Here’s a tip: if you wouldn’t want a 6’6” 225 lb. stranger doing/saying a thing to you on the street, then don’t do/say that thing to women on the street. That includes catcalling, leering, following, loudly rating them on a numerical scale, sitting next to them and demanding they take their earphones off, asking extremely personal questions, not taking no for an answer.

Here’s another tip for the workplace: if you wouldn’t do/say a thing to your male boss, then don’t do/say that thing to your female co-worker. That includes “pranks”, “jokes”, innuendo, lewd comments, suggestions that she slept her way onto the job.

Men are perfectly capable of understanding the distinction. Some just choose not to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You mean the young women weren't harassed like when you were young?

The horror! They can actually attend parties, eat, drink and chat like actual human beings, without being followed, surrounded, or need to watch their drink the entire time.

Instead, if they're interested in a young man their age, they can go up to him and start a conversation, peer-to-peer.

How sad for them, OP.

But the issue is they don't go up to guys. And guys don't go up to them out of fear, ever though woman naturally expect them the male to approach.

They want guys they're attracted to to come up and talk to them. I think the problem is men have a harder time determining whether they are attractive to women or not, whether due to covid or too much time online or whatever. It's also possible young men are less attractive compared to young men in the past, see studies on testosterone decline, etc.

Men are getting destroyed by women. It’s like a sport. That Lots of those TikTok videos of women making fun or embarrassing men who approach women. It’s a cultural thing now. If you are a young man and you approach a woman you are atypical and an outliner. Most likely have EQ deficiency or something worst,

It may sound harsh, but I think those women are in the end doing those guys a favor. Men often don't even know they are unattractive until a moment like this happens. Realistically a TikTok video making fun of you won't destroy your career, but it's just the unsubtle lesson some men need to know they aren't the ones that women want approaching them. If unattractive men stopped approaching regular women, women could ease up, put down the headphones, smile more in public, etc. and the art of flirting and romance would come back.

You are welcome to pay us to not annoy you with our ugliness. Otherwise, it's a free country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You mean the young women weren't harassed like when you were young?

The horror! They can actually attend parties, eat, drink and chat like actual human beings, without being followed, surrounded, or need to watch their drink the entire time.

Instead, if they're interested in a young man their age, they can go up to him and start a conversation, peer-to-peer.

How sad for them, OP.

But the issue is they don't go up to guys. And guys don't go up to them out of fear, ever though woman naturally expect them the male to approach.

We can worry about that later. For now, less harassment is a win.

Sure. But absolutely no young man is going to know whether their approach to a young woman is going to be deemed flirting or harassment. And social media makes the consequences of misjudging and a shoot down enormous. These boys grew up while men like Al Franken were absolutely destroyed for... No one knows why Al Franken was destroyed. But it had to do with a mild joke relating to a woman. He got wrecked for it. A smart guy, a US Senator, trying to do the right thing, and he got destroyed for a very mid and harmless joke from a long time ago.

So these boys grew up with that and MeToo. And they learned that talking to women is incredibly dangerous. You can destroy your entire life with a bad joke or a woman rejecting him and posting on social media about it. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking about an awkward date Aziz Ansari had. That date posted all about it online and it nearly destroyed this man's career.

The lesson these young men have learned is that flirting is dangerous business today. Combine that with the covid isolation, which definitely affected social skills, and the damn phones, and it's not a great time for a young man to take a risk and talk to a woman today.

It's sad and pathetic. But the lameness of young men today is not entirely irrational. And they have their porn. So a lot of them are checked out and don't even try.

This is such BS even though it's repeated so often. Creepy harassing behavior is easily defined and if you don't know the difference between that and flirting, then you probably shouldn't approach women until you learn.

It’s amazing how many men pretend to be befuddled by harassment.

Here’s a tip: if you wouldn’t want a 6’6” 225 lb. stranger doing/saying a thing to you on the street, then don’t do/say that thing to women on the street. That includes catcalling, leering, following, loudly rating them on a numerical scale, sitting next to them and demanding they take their earphones off, asking extremely personal questions, not taking no for an answer.

Here’s another tip for the workplace: if you wouldn’t do/say a thing to your male boss, then don’t do/say that thing to your female co-worker. That includes “pranks”, “jokes”, innuendo, lewd comments, suggestions that she slept her way onto the job.

Men are perfectly capable of understanding the distinction. Some just choose not to.

A lot of "harassment" is saying things that men have no problem hearing from each other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Me Too has scared the S out of them.

Scott Galloway talks about issues facing young men and his related research, interesting to listen to.

young men think that just talking to a woman in a crowded room where there are lots of witnesses is going to end up in a metoo tiktok?

No they are scared that the woman will act like the woman on ticktok and bash them to half the room or to half the world on tiktok. Stupid, I know but that really is the reality. A lot of woman have unrealistic standards because of social media, and men have no idea if they are approaching someone grounded in reality or someone with the standards social media says they should have.

It's important to be confident in yourself and rise above the negging from emotional bullies. That's how you win respect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You mean the young women weren't harassed like when you were young?

The horror! They can actually attend parties, eat, drink and chat like actual human beings, without being followed, surrounded, or need to watch their drink the entire time.

Instead, if they're interested in a young man their age, they can go up to him and start a conversation, peer-to-peer.

How sad for them, OP.

But the issue is they don't go up to guys. And guys don't go up to them out of fear, ever though woman naturally expect them the male to approach.

We can worry about that later. For now, less harassment is a win.

Sure. But absolutely no young man is going to know whether their approach to a young woman is going to be deemed flirting or harassment. And social media makes the consequences of misjudging and a shoot down enormous. These boys grew up while men like Al Franken were absolutely destroyed for... No one knows why Al Franken was destroyed. But it had to do with a mild joke relating to a woman. He got wrecked for it. A smart guy, a US Senator, trying to do the right thing, and he got destroyed for a very mid and harmless joke from a long time ago.

So these boys grew up with that and MeToo. And they learned that talking to women is incredibly dangerous. You can destroy your entire life with a bad joke or a woman rejecting him and posting on social media about it. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking about an awkward date Aziz Ansari had. That date posted all about it online and it nearly destroyed this man's career.

The lesson these young men have learned is that flirting is dangerous business today. Combine that with the covid isolation, which definitely affected social skills, and the damn phones, and it's not a great time for a young man to take a risk and talk to a woman today.

It's sad and pathetic. But the lameness of young men today is not entirely irrational. And they have their porn. So a lot of them are checked out and don't even try.

This is such BS even though it's repeated so often. Creepy harassing behavior is easily defined and if you don't know the difference between that and flirting, then you probably shouldn't approach women until you learn.

It’s amazing how many men pretend to be befuddled by harassment.

Here’s a tip: if you wouldn’t want a 6’6” 225 lb. stranger doing/saying a thing to you on the street, then don’t do/say that thing to women on the street. That includes catcalling, leering, following, loudly rating them on a numerical scale, sitting next to them and demanding they take their earphones off, asking extremely personal questions, not taking no for an answer.

Here’s another tip for the workplace: if you wouldn’t do/say a thing to your male boss, then don’t do/say that thing to your female co-worker. That includes “pranks”, “jokes”, innuendo, lewd comments, suggestions that she slept her way onto the job.

Men are perfectly capable of understanding the distinction. Some just choose not to.

A lot of "harassment" is saying things that men have no problem hearing from each other.

Get back to us when men catcall and grope each other on the street.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Me Too has scared the S out of them.

Scott Galloway talks about issues facing young men and his related research, interesting to listen to.

young men think that just talking to a woman in a crowded room where there are lots of witnesses is going to end up in a metoo tiktok?

No they are scared that the woman will act like the woman on ticktok and bash them to half the room or to half the world on tiktok. Stupid, I know but that really is the reality. A lot of woman have unrealistic standards because of social media, and men have no idea if they are approaching someone grounded in reality or someone with the standards social media says they should have.

I guess I can see that. But, to a PP's point, imagine if a very unattractive woman came up to a good looking guy and tried to chat with him. I'm thinking the good looking guy wouldn't give her the time of day either.

If a guy is good looking, the woman wouldn't bash him. Superficiality runs both ways.

I do think men are scared to be burned in public. I can't blame them. And those women who are harsh like that are immature. From what I can see from my Gen Z DD, the guys hit on her online, and if she is receptive, then they will try to pursue it in person.

But let's be real.. men also ghost women. So, it cuts both ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You mean the young women weren't harassed like when you were young?

The horror! They can actually attend parties, eat, drink and chat like actual human beings, without being followed, surrounded, or need to watch their drink the entire time.

Instead, if they're interested in a young man their age, they can go up to him and start a conversation, peer-to-peer.

How sad for them, OP.

But the issue is they don't go up to guys. And guys don't go up to them out of fear, ever though woman naturally expect them the male to approach.

They want guys they're attracted to to come up and talk to them. I think the problem is men have a harder time determining whether they are attractive to women or not, whether due to covid or too much time online or whatever. It's also possible young men are less attractive compared to young men in the past, see studies on testosterone decline, etc.

Men are getting destroyed by women. It’s like a sport. That Lots of those TikTok videos of women making fun or embarrassing men who approach women. It’s a cultural thing now. If you are a young man and you approach a woman you are atypical and an outliner. Most likely have EQ deficiency or something worst,

It may sound harsh, but I think those women are in the end doing those guys a favor. Men often don't even know they are unattractive until a moment like this happens. Realistically a TikTok video making fun of you won't destroy your career, but it's just the unsubtle lesson some men need to know they aren't the ones that women want approaching them. If unattractive men stopped approaching regular women, women could ease up, put down the headphones, smile more in public, etc. and the art of flirting and romance would come back.

You are welcome to pay us to not annoy you with our ugliness. Otherwise, it's a free country.

Nah, your ugliness doesn't annoy me. Only your harassment does. Cheers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Me Too has scared the S out of them.

Scott Galloway talks about issues facing young men and his related research, interesting to listen to.

young men think that just talking to a woman in a crowded room where there are lots of witnesses is going to end up in a metoo tiktok?

No they are scared that the woman will act like the woman on ticktok and bash them to half the room or to half the world on tiktok. Stupid, I know but that really is the reality. A lot of woman have unrealistic standards because of social media, and men have no idea if they are approaching someone grounded in reality or someone with the standards social media says they should have.

I guess I can see that. But, to a PP's point, imagine if a very unattractive woman came up to a good looking guy and tried to chat with him. I'm thinking the good looking guy wouldn't give her the time of day either.

If a guy is good looking, the woman wouldn't bash him. Superficiality runs both ways.

I do think men are scared to be burned in public. I can't blame them. And those women who are harsh like that are immature. From what I can see from my Gen Z DD, the guys hit on her online, and if she is receptive, then they will try to pursue it in person.

But let's be real.. men also ghost women. So, it cuts both ways.

Ok he wouldn't give her the time of time or he would ghost her. That is not what I am talking about at all. Is society really that obtuse as to what woman do on social or the demans they publically announce about men or that they immediatlely post about the loser that tried to talk to them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Me Too has scared the S out of them.

Scott Galloway talks about issues facing young men and his related research, interesting to listen to.

young men think that just talking to a woman in a crowded room where there are lots of witnesses is going to end up in a metoo tiktok?

No they are scared that the woman will act like the woman on ticktok and bash them to half the room or to half the world on tiktok. Stupid, I know but that really is the reality. A lot of woman have unrealistic standards because of social media, and men have no idea if they are approaching someone grounded in reality or someone with the standards social media says they should have.

It's important to be confident in yourself and rise above the negging from emotional bullies. That's how you win respect.

It isn't about winning respect and their level of confidence isn't the issue. It becomes, "...I am comfortable with myself, I don't need to engage with someone else's unrealistic demands/expectations, I choose not be insulted, therefor why I am going to bother."

[Anonymous]

They're bad with in-person interactions. If they can't swipe right, they get flustered and confused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You mean the young women weren't harassed like when you were young?

The horror! They can actually attend parties, eat, drink and chat like actual human beings, without being followed, surrounded, or need to watch their drink the entire time.

Instead, if they're interested in a young man their age, they can go up to him and start a conversation, peer-to-peer.

How sad for them, OP.

But the issue is they don't go up to guys. And guys don't go up to them out of fear, ever though woman naturally expect them the male to approach.

We can worry about that later. For now, less harassment is a win.

Sure. But absolutely no young man is going to know whether their approach to a young woman is going to be deemed flirting or harassment. And social media makes the consequences of misjudging and a shoot down enormous. These boys grew up while men like Al Franken were absolutely destroyed for... No one knows why Al Franken was destroyed. But it had to do with a mild joke relating to a woman. He got wrecked for it. A smart guy, a US Senator, trying to do the right thing, and he got destroyed for a very mid and harmless joke from a long time ago.

So these boys grew up with that and MeToo. And they learned that talking to women is incredibly dangerous. You can destroy your entire life with a bad joke or a woman rejecting him and posting on social media about it. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking about an awkward date Aziz Ansari had. That date posted all about it online and it nearly destroyed this man's career.

The lesson these young men have learned is that flirting is dangerous business today. Combine that with the covid isolation, which definitely affected social skills, and the damn phones, and it's not a great time for a young man to take a risk and talk to a woman today.

It's sad and pathetic. But the lameness of young men today is not entirely irrational. And they have their porn. So a lot of them are checked out and don't even try.

This is such BS even though it's repeated so often. Creepy harassing behavior is easily defined and if you don't know the difference between that and flirting, then you probably shouldn't approach women until you learn.

It’s amazing how many men pretend to be befuddled by harassment.

Here’s a tip: if you wouldn’t want a 6’6” 225 lb. stranger doing/saying a thing to you on the street, then don’t do/say that thing to women on the street. That includes catcalling, leering, following, loudly rating them on a numerical scale, sitting next to them and demanding they take their earphones off, asking extremely personal questions, not taking no for an answer.

Here’s another tip for the workplace: if you wouldn’t do/say a thing to your male boss, then don’t do/say that thing to your female co-worker. That includes “pranks”, “jokes”, innuendo, lewd comments, suggestions that she slept her way onto the job.

Men are perfectly capable of understanding the distinction. Some just choose not to.

A lot of "harassment" is saying things that men have no problem hearing from each other.

Get back to us when men catcall and grope each other on the street.

Yes that happens all the time now days.

[Anonymous]

Men are not approach women irl anymore. There are tons of videos on it. Don’t blame them after reading the post here, lol!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was at a mixed ages party with a lot of young adults but the guys weren’t going to the women and mingling with them.
Is the culture changed so much young guys are afraid of talking to young women in real life.
I am asking as a middle aged guy.

I have seen so many gorgeous women become so desperate in the DC for love and companionship that they will drop their standards and date sloppy dorks.