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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You mean the young women weren't harassed like when you were young?

The horror! They can actually attend parties, eat, drink and chat like actual human beings, without being followed, surrounded, or need to watch their drink the entire time.

Instead, if they're interested in a young man their age, they can go up to him and start a conversation, peer-to-peer.

How sad for them, OP. [/quote]

But the issue is they don't go up to guys. And guys don't go up to them out of fear, ever though woman naturally expect them the male to approach.[/quote]

We can worry about that later. For now, less harassment is a win.[/quote]

Sure. But absolutely[b] no young man is going to know whether their approach to a young woman is going to be deemed flirting or harassment[/b]. And social media makes the consequences of misjudging and a shoot down enormous. These boys grew up while men like Al Franken were absolutely destroyed for... No one knows why Al Franken was destroyed. But it had to do with a mild joke relating to a woman. He got wrecked for it. A smart guy, a US Senator, trying to do the right thing, and he got destroyed for a very mid and harmless joke from a long time ago.

So these boys grew up with that and MeToo. And they learned that talking to women is incredibly dangerous. You can destroy your entire life with a bad joke or a woman rejecting him and posting on social media about it. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking about an awkward date Aziz Ansari had. That date posted all about it online and it nearly destroyed this man's career.

The lesson these young men have learned is that flirting is dangerous business today. Combine that with the covid isolation, which definitely affected social skills, and the damn phones, and it's not a great time for a young man to take a risk and talk to a woman today.

It's sad and pathetic. But the lameness of young men today is not entirely irrational. And they have their porn. So a lot of them are checked out and don't even try. [/quote]This is such BS even though it's repeated so often.  Creepy harassing behavior is easily defined and if you don't know the difference between that and flirting, then you probably shouldn't approach women until you learn.

No one knows why Al Franken was destroyed?  You've got to be kidding.  That kind of tells me you don't know what constitutes being a creep and shouldn't be allowed to approach women.  Eight women have spoken out publicly detailing different alleged incidents when Sen. Al Franken groped or tried to kiss them.  Are you really forgetting this photo?  https://s.abcnews.com/images/Politics/al-franken-02-ht-jc-171116.jpg  The first woman to come forward with allegations of impropriety against Franken was Tweeden, a female radio host. She claimed Franken, now Minnesota's junior Democratic senator, groped her while she was sleeping aboard a military plane on her way home from a USO tour in 2006. The alleged incident was captured in a photograph. She also claimed he forcibly kissed her when they were practicing a performance together for troops overseas.

"I felt disgusting and violated," Tweeden wrote in a post on KABC's website on Nov. 16.

I'll admit, the consequences were harsh but he got caught up in a time where the left was normalizing and weaponizing cancel culture and those same rules applied to him.  You can't have it both ways.

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You hit the nail on the head, but what is an innocuous "...hi nice to me my name is Bill" to one woman could be a "what a creep" to the other if she is attracted to him. And social media has set the base line "standard" so high, young men have no idea where they fall. They could be great guy but as soon as she find out that they don't meet the 666, or 689 standard she will never talk to him again. And she will probably never meet or have a relationship with any one that does meet the standard. Combine the two several 10s of thousands of times and you have a societal problem, like the one we have now.

It is what is weird or creepy, it is what the woman defines as weird or creepy.[/quote]

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