What happened to young men?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You mean the young women weren't harassed like when you were young?

The horror! They can actually attend parties, eat, drink and chat like actual human beings, without being followed, surrounded, or need to watch their drink the entire time.

Instead, if they're interested in a young man their age, they can go up to him and start a conversation, peer-to-peer.

How sad for them, OP.

But the issue is they don't go up to guys. And guys don't go up to them out of fear, ever though woman naturally expect them the male to approach.

We can worry about that later. For now, less harassment is a win.

Sure. But absolutely no young man is going to know whether their approach to a young woman is going to be deemed flirting or harassment. And social media makes the consequences of misjudging and a shoot down enormous. These boys grew up while men like Al Franken were absolutely destroyed for... No one knows why Al Franken was destroyed. But it had to do with a mild joke relating to a woman. He got wrecked for it. A smart guy, a US Senator, trying to do the right thing, and he got destroyed for a very mid and harmless joke from a long time ago.

So these boys grew up with that and MeToo. And they learned that talking to women is incredibly dangerous. You can destroy your entire life with a bad joke or a woman rejecting him and posting on social media about it. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking about an awkward date Aziz Ansari had. That date posted all about it online and it nearly destroyed this man's career.

The lesson these young men have learned is that flirting is dangerous business today. Combine that with the covid isolation, which definitely affected social skills, and the damn phones, and it's not a great time for a young man to take a risk and talk to a woman today.

It's sad and pathetic. But the lameness of young men today is not entirely irrational. And they have their porn. So a lot of them are checked out and don't even try.

Could we stop with the tired trope that modern life makes it dangerous for men to speak to women? Me too was not about men talking to women, it was about men touching women without consent and using their positions of employment to socially coerce women into unwanted sexual relationships.

And Al Franken wasn’t “destroyed for a very a mild and harmless joke from a long time ago”, he had 6+ accusations of groping against him, including one picture that became publicly circulated in which he was either pretending or actually touching a sleeping female colleague. He publicly acknowledged she had not consented to the touching or photo and said,” I am ashamed of that photo," Franken told Minnesota Public Radio. "She didn’t have any ability to consent. She had every right to feel violated by that photo. I have apologized to her. I was very grateful that she accepted my apology. That is all I can say. My intent doesn’t matter. What matters is that she felt the way she felt from this photo and for that I am ashamed.”

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sen-franken-embarassed-groping-claims-rebuild-trust/story?id=51394106
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/07/us/politics/al-franken-senate-sexual-harassment.html

Frankenstein chose to resign from his position in order to avoid a Senate Ethics Investigation, not because he was forced to resign.

It really doesn’t help today’s male youth to minimize the ways in which men have freely violated women for centuries. It’s not actually that hard not to touch a woman without her permission, and not to treat her cruelly or unequally. It’s just that men don’t want to give up these privileges.

It’s not helpful to re-write and minimize the past.

You mean allegations like this: " 'We posed for the shot. He immediately put his hand on my waist, grabbing a handful of flesh. I froze. Then he squeezed. At least twice,' Dupuy wrote."

If that can get a man canceled, many young men may choose to avoid the risk. The line is too fuzzy and no one ever believes the man.

The line is only “fuzzy” to predators. You’re absolutely delusional to say otherwise. Very rapey mentality.

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+1. The only men confused by this line are the ones consistently on the wrong side of it.

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Anonymous wrote:I was at a mixed ages party with a lot of young adults but the guys weren’t going to the women and mingling with them.
Is the culture changed so much young guys are afraid of talking to young women in real life.
I am asking as a middle aged guy.

They have no social skills, don’t know to properly approach a lady, or ask them out on a date. Don’t know how to communicate or have a woman. Too much social media, screen time, p0rn. Don’t understand how to woo a woman.

Agree no also notice they don’t even know common courtesy, not just dating stuff. They don’t open doors for anyone, don’t offer seats, don’t say please or thank you, don’t walk in a courteous way with a date (her speed, curbside, etc), don’t offer things like water or whatever when at home, generally are just milquetoast losers.

My daughter can open her own doors and isn’t so fragile that she needs to sit, so the death of those misogynistic habits won’t be mourned.

You misunderstand. Your daughter should also open doors for people. Your daughter should also offer seats to people who look like they need it more than her. Maybe the entire generation is effed, but I thought we were talking about young men.

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Anonymous wrote:I was at a mixed ages party with a lot of young adults but the guys weren’t going to the women and mingling with them.
Is the culture changed so much young guys are afraid of talking to young women in real life.
I am asking as a middle aged guy.

They have no social skills, don’t know to properly approach a lady, or ask them out on a date. Don’t know how to communicate or have a woman. Too much social media, screen time, p0rn. Don’t understand how to woo a woman.

Agree no also notice they don’t even know common courtesy, not just dating stuff. They don’t open doors for anyone, don’t offer seats, don’t say please or thank you, don’t walk in a courteous way with a date (her speed, curbside, etc), don’t offer things like water or whatever when at home, generally are just milquetoast losers.

My daughter can open her own doors and isn’t so fragile that she needs to sit, so the death of those misogynistic habits won’t be mourned.

You misunderstand. Your daughter should also open doors for people. Your daughter should also offer seats to people who look like they need it more than her. Maybe the entire generation is effed, but I thought we were talking about young men.

Not PP but mine does. As do I (her mother).

[Anonymous]

A strong independent man don't need no woman!

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Anonymous wrote:What were they doing just hanging out by themselves?

A lot of single people talking with their own circle of buddies.

That’s how many people in this age group socialize. They aren’t mingling at parties if they have people they know and are hanging out with. I have kids in this age group and this is just my anecdotal experience.

Yes,
But young men in the past used this kind of opportunities to meet new potential romantic partners.

You all are burning the world to the ground. Who needs a romantic partner now? What does a woman bring to the table that the Internet can't offer at lower cost?

[Anonymous]

Won't someone please thing of the boyz, they are so victimized.

Or some such shit.

Spare me.

[Anonymous]

Y'all's obsession with young pepple eff-ing is gross