Nurses no longer counted as a professional degree

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Anonymous wrote:I can kind of see nurses since it is a BS degree. But physician assistant and nurse practioner degrees are professional degrees!

Nurse here. The issue isn’t for a BSN, it’s for nurses pursing graduate school in order to become NPs, midwives, or CRNAs. And unless you have a well off family, it’s going to be hard to shell out money for grad school. This isn’t about going after college costs. It’s about limiting who can pursue advanced degrees.

I am actually worried about the 200,000 cap on doctors. Totally limiting who can pursue advanced degrees. why?

I imagine that those who cannot afford the USA university costs will go to the Caribbean and obtain a medical degree. Alternatively, the US will continue imported doctors from India and Bangladesh. Crazy right?

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Anonymous wrote:I can kind of see nurses since it is a BS degree. But physician assistant and nurse practioner degrees are professional degrees!

Nurse here. The issue isn’t for a BSN, it’s for nurses pursing graduate school in order to become NPs, midwives, or CRNAs. And unless you have a well off family, it’s going to be hard to shell out money for grad school. This isn’t about going after college costs. It’s about limiting who can pursue advanced degrees.

I am actually worried about the 200,000 cap on doctors. Totally limiting who can pursue advanced degrees. why?

PP here. Agreed. Most people cannot pay for an advanced degree without loans. I really think they only want the wealthy to pursue higher education. Yes college costs are absurd and AI might transform the work landscape. But the sudden shift to “why bother going to college” and now this—-I think they want people to be uneducated. Not that they will stop sending their kids to college.

What's crazy is that they will open the floodgates to foreign doctors coming to the US to work once the hospital system CEOs start howling. All these doctors educated at a fraction of the price of US medical schools.

But surgeons will be a bunch of native born rich kids whose parents paid full freight for their med school tuition.

Which is probably a feature for those supporting this change. Their kids get to be surgeons and expensive specialists and concierge doctors, while the rest of us go to foreign doctors brought in at low pay.

The rest of us won't even get to see actual doctors. We barely do now.

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Anonymous wrote:I can kind of see nurses since it is a BS degree. But physician assistant and nurse practioner degrees are professional degrees!

Nurse here. The issue isn’t for a BSN, it’s for nurses pursing graduate school in order to become NPs, midwives, or CRNAs. And unless you have a well off family, it’s going to be hard to shell out money for grad school. This isn’t about going after college costs. It’s about limiting who can pursue advanced degrees.

I am actually worried about the 200,000 cap on doctors. Totally limiting who can pursue advanced degrees. why?

To keep poor and middle class poor and middle class. It will stop social mobility which is a threat to their all white male dominated society fantasy.

This. Can't have lower income and middle class get ahead; the GOP wants to take us before to before the Great Depression, when you had to be rich or extremely lucky to graduate from college.

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Anonymous wrote:I can kind of see nurses since it is a BS degree. But physician assistant and nurse practioner degrees are professional degrees!

Nurse here. The issue isn’t for a BSN, it’s for nurses pursing graduate school in order to become NPs, midwives, or CRNAs. And unless you have a well off family, it’s going to be hard to shell out money for grad school. This isn’t about going after college costs. It’s about limiting who can pursue advanced degrees.

I am actually worried about the 200,000 cap on doctors. Totally limiting who can pursue advanced degrees. why?

PP here. Agreed. Most people cannot pay for an advanced degree without loans. I really think they only want the wealthy to pursue higher education. Yes college costs are absurd and AI might transform the work landscape. But the sudden shift to “why bother going to college” and now this—-I think they want people to be uneducated. Not that they will stop sending their kids to college.

What's crazy is that they will open the floodgates to foreign doctors coming to the US to work once the hospital system CEOs start howling. All these doctors educated at a fraction of the price of US medical schools.

But surgeons will be a bunch of native born rich kids whose parents paid full freight for their med school tuition.

Which is probably a feature for those supporting this change. Their kids get to be surgeons and expensive specialists and concierge doctors, while the rest of us go to foreign doctors brought in at low pay.

The rest of us won't even get to see actual doctors. We barely do now.

Sadly, I think you are correct.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can kind of see nurses since it is a BS degree. But physician assistant and nurse practioner degrees are professional degrees!

Nurse here. The issue isn’t for a BSN, it’s for nurses pursing graduate school in order to become NPs, midwives, or CRNAs. And unless you have a well off family, it’s going to be hard to shell out money for grad school. This isn’t about going after college costs. It’s about limiting who can pursue advanced degrees.

I am actually worried about the 200,000 cap on doctors. Totally limiting who can pursue advanced degrees. why?

To keep poor and middle class poor and middle class. It will stop social mobility which is a threat to their all white male dominated society fantasy.

This. Can't have lower income and middle class get ahead; the GOP wants to take us before to before the Great Depression, when you had to be rich or extremely lucky to graduate from college.

Let's get real: it's to further devalue professions that are dominated by women, to eliminate avenues that lower income and middle class women take to get ahead.

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"chiropractic, theology"

Who needs nurses, when you can be healed by magic?

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Hello people, I think you all are doing some faux rage here. The issue is there are two types of nurses, one that requires the 2-year degree which isn't really professional. That's more of a trade like kind of a certificate and then there's the 4-year degree nurse which is a bachelor's that is a professional. So please stop with this woman. This woman that blah blah blah feminism crap that is not what is going on. Thank you

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Did someone already mention the new $100k fee for HB1 visas preventing many understaffed clinics and hospitals from importing RNs from abroad?

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Anonymous wrote:Hello people, I think you all are doing some faux rage here. The issue is there are two types of nurses, one that requires the 2-year degree which isn't really professional. That's more of a trade like kind of a certificate and then there's the 4-year degree nurse which is a bachelor's that is a professional. So please stop with this woman. This woman that blah blah blah feminism crap that is not what is going on. Thank you

Are you trying to say that a bachelors in nursing isn't woman dominated?

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From the article…..

“One nurse posted through the IVs By The Seas TikTok account, a clinic offering mobile IV hydration and aesthetic services in New Jersey: "10 years of schooling... $210k in student loan debt... 15 years of ER and Trauma experience which included preventing physicians from making error at 3 a.m. and now... my degree isn't considered a professional degree. Cool."”

Nobody wants doctors poking at your veins unless they are surgeons.

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Anonymous wrote:Hello people, I think you all are doing some faux rage here. The issue is there are two types of nurses, one that requires the 2-year degree which isn't really professional. That's more of a trade like kind of a certificate and then there's the 4-year degree nurse which is a bachelor's that is a professional. So please stop with this woman. This woman that blah blah blah feminism crap that is not what is going on. Thank you

Take a look at some of the other occupations on the list. These are professions that are largely populated by women and minorities.

Education
Social work
Public health
Physician assistant
Occupational therapy
Physical therapy
Audiology
Speech language pathology
Counseling & therapy

This is not a coincidence. “Blah blah blah feminism crap” doesn’t change the fact that this is designed to put up financial barriers for women to get continuing education. Not to mention making the current staffing shortages in healthcare and education much worse.

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We won’t be able to see actual doctors, but there will be plenty of theologians to tell us why our ailments are God’s will.

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Anonymous wrote:I can kind of see nurses since it is a BS degree. But physician assistant and nurse practioner degrees are professional degrees!

Nursing is a high turnover profession and we are constantly bleeding staff on tough units like med surg. Most hospitals will only hire BSNs. I was a nurse manager for med surg and the only way to staff the unit as long time older nurses retired was to keep hiring new grads, but they all go elsewhere after a year like ICU, mother/baby units, etc.

Pay them more. Let the market system work

Long term labor shortages do not happen naturally in market economies. That is not to say that they don't exist. They are created when employers or government agencies tamper with the natural functioning of the wage mechanism.

"[To attract] workers, the employer may have to increase his wage offer. ... So when you hear an employer saying he needs immigrants to fill a "labor shortage'', remember what you are hearing: a cry for a labor subsidy to allow the employer to avoid the normal functioning of the labor market."
-1990 Congressional Testimony of Dr. Michael S. Teitelbaum
http://users.nber.org/~sewp/references/archive/weinsteinhowandwhygovernment.pdf

LOL. And have CEOs take a pay cut or god forbid, pay a bit more in taxes?!?!?

I was a software developer in the 90’s and i would interview to hire Java developers. My company would not pay the market rate , and then complain they couldn’t find Java developers. They could , they just didn’t want to pay the going rate .

The market works wonders is we let it and stop government from favoring the investor class

You're really comparing the boom-boom 90s tech world to hospitals? Seriously?

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Anonymous wrote:What's interesting is that most white nurses I know are MAGA. Maybe this will shut down the mean MAGA white girl to nurse pipeline I've seen lately.

Where are you located? I’ve never met a MAGA nurse except my one classmate who lives in FL, go figure.

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Anonymous wrote:No 18-year-old should ever dig themselves a $200k hole to become a nurse, or anything else for that matter.

- dad of ICU nurse

reading comprehension much?