Nurses no longer counted as a professional degree

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely going to decimate rural hospitals.

People who study on aid, don't go to rural or inner city hospitals. People with loans do.

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Make all healthcare degrees free and tied to mandatory public service years.

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College costs are too high, bring them down so there is no need of big loans or taxpayer subsidizing other people's lucrative careers with their dollars.

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Employers can identify and sponsor students they want to work for them.

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How come there is no requirement to do any public service for people getting free education? People who have to pay, their parents have to work extra tears to afford it.

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*extra years but extra tears too

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Anonymous wrote:College costs are too high, bring them down so there is no need of big loans or taxpayer subsidizing other people's lucrative careers with their dollars.

The issue is that we require kids to dork around for 4 years to get an undergrad degree and then another 4 years in med school. It should really just be one 5-6 year highly focused program (no waste-time electives), sit for various tests to weed out, apply to residency and take boards. We can easily shave two years off MD/DO training and save a sh#tload of money.

If you wash out on tests during your education, you go into the nursing track.

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Anonymous wrote:Make all healthcare degrees free and tied to mandatory public service years.

This is what countries with universal healthcare do. Becoming a doctor is very cheap in terms of tuition but extremely competitive to gain entrance into med school. The downside? You get reimbursed at the government rates. You will live a very good life, but you will never be as rich as American doctors, especially specialists.

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Anonymous wrote:No 18-year-old should ever dig themselves a $200k hole to become a nurse, or anything else for that matter.

- dad of ICU nurse

They can do military or rural jobs for few years.

Some hospitals offer loan forgiveness in exchange for work. Two thirds of my $80k 1.5 year 2nd degree BSN loans were forgiven in exchange for 3 years of work at a a large urban hospital. It made it cheaper or equivalent to other cheaper programs. That program, and the 2nd degree bsn program for the school I attended, no longer exist.

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Anonymous wrote:No 18-year-old should ever dig themselves a $200k hole to become a nurse, or anything else for that matter.

- dad of ICU nurse

They can do military or rural jobs for few years.

This plan actually significantly reduces their ability to do that. They won't qualify for programs that would reduce their loans because of this reclassification. This basically incentivizes going to the highest paid jobs possible, not public interest ones.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, it does not make sense to allow people to borrow up to 200k to study nursing. The median salary for an NP is 130k, so there is no circumstance where it is financially responsible for someone with that salary to borrow 200k. Social workers have terrible salaries and the median person with a DSW only makes 80-90k each year. People with studying social work i grad school should not be allowed to borrow money at all.

this is horrible.

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Anonymous wrote:But should people be forced to go $200k in debt to become a NP? Maybe we should figure out a better way to fund this.

Why would a highly paid professional have a free or cheap degree?

Why? Because we as a community decide that we need those skills and those professions— and prioritize making it easier for people to get the education and training. I’m wondering if there’s something else behind this. Many people join the military to get money for education. This might have the twofold goal of getting more people to sign up — if the scholarship benefits are one of the few options out there.

It’s almost like these people making these decisions don’t think that they’re ever going to be vulnerable, in need of medical care, and dependent on nurses if they want to survive the night.

Right?? I want nurses with advanced degrees running the show, figuring out how to apportion care as the patients and their needs change 24/7.

I'm in an acute rehab unit 2-3x/week and they need a range of skills and mastery on the floor every hour.

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Anonymous wrote:Also social workers.

good. Social workers don't make enough to borrow 200k for their education. Schools that burden their students with 200k in debt for a degree with poor carer prospects should be forced to close.

So then how do people who want to become social workers do so? How do clients, who need social workers, get services when there are no more social workers because nobody can afford to become one?

Most of them won’t. And even more people who need such services won’t get them. This is all about the 1% — and they seldom, if ever, need social work services.

What stands out to me though, is these discussions focus on “government” spending and priorities — when we need to realize that as tax payers, much of this is OUR money. The money we earned when the deadlines pressed and the alarm clocks went off isn’t going for things like healthcare and education. It’s going for tax breaks for people who have so much money that they’ll never live long enough to spend it. How many social workers could be trained for what Trump is spending on ICE, golf trips, and gaudy gilding?

TY!

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Anonymous wrote:Not just nurses!

“This meant that physician assistants, nurse practitioners, physical therapists and audiologist were excluded from the list.”

Nurses were trying to play doctor so makes some sense in that regard.

Are you this dim IRL or only on DCUM?

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Anonymous wrote:Employers can identify and sponsor students they want to work for them.

How many employers in these fields pay for degrees for their staff? Please include cites in your answer.