Why do Rs hate the LGBTQ community?

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t understand why they are doing everything they can to make them invisible and strip them of rights. Help me understand. Don’t give me Bible BS. There are plenty of other things in the Bible we don’t permit like polygamy.

Because a) they believe being LBGTQ is a choice on some level b) they’re afraid of their kids being LGBTQ and so they want all references removed out of fear their child will be “convinced.”

And it’s their right to believe that. So leave other parents alone. Raise your kids the way you want but you don’t get to force your beliefs on other people’s kids at taxpayer funded schools without an opt out.

Key word there— belief.

One day someone will sue their school district because they smoke and the health teacher dared to say smoking causes cancer and little Larla is traumatized and went home crying begging for her parents to stop smoking. And they don’t believe smoking always causes cancer because they go to the gym and feel just fine and nana and George Burns smoked and lived until 100.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t understand why they are doing everything they can to make them invisible and strip them of rights. Help me understand. Don’t give me Bible BS. There are plenty of other things in the Bible we don’t permit like polygamy.

Because a) they believe being LBGTQ is a choice on some level b) they’re afraid of their kids being LGBTQ and so they want all references removed out of fear their child will be “convinced.”

And it’s their right to believe that. So leave other parents alone. Raise your kids the way you want but you don’t get to force your beliefs on other people’s kids at taxpayer funded schools without an opt out.

Key word there— belief.

One day someone will sue their school district because they smoke and the health teacher dared to say smoking causes cancer and little Larla is traumatized and went home crying begging for her parents to stop smoking. And they don’t believe smoking always causes cancer because they go to the gym and feel just fine and nana and George Burns smoked and lived until 100.

No. Religions don't take much of a stance on smoking or the origins of cancer. Culturally, smoking has been more or less common worldwide. It's not the same. I know OP doesnt want to talk about religion. But it's impossible not to, when religion has shaped our culture for thousands of years.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t understand why they are doing everything they can to make them invisible and strip them of rights. Help me understand. Don’t give me Bible BS. There are plenty of other things in the Bible we don’t permit like polygamy.

Because a) they believe being LBGTQ is a choice on some level b) they’re afraid of their kids being LGBTQ and so they want all references removed out of fear their child will be “convinced.”

And it’s their right to believe that. So leave other parents alone. Raise your kids the way you want but you don’t get to force your beliefs on other people’s kids at taxpayer funded schools without an opt out.

Key word there— belief.

One day someone will sue their school district because they smoke and the health teacher dared to say smoking causes cancer and little Larla is traumatized and went home crying begging for her parents to stop smoking. And they don’t believe smoking always causes cancer because they go to the gym and feel just fine and nana and George Burns smoked and lived until 100.

Holy hyperbole!
We are simply returning to the status quo. Maryland started with an opt out and will return to one.

Almost all of us were raised in schools that focused on math, science and reading and we need to return to that. Leave the religions of ALL kinds at home. And that includes the LGBTQ religion.

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA here. I am fine with LGBTQetc. I'm not fine having to constantly center on their experiences. Also not fine with religious people being called bigots if they object to celebrating Pride events. I'm also not fine with, for example, flying Pride flags outside our embassies in Muslim nations. And basically any other aggressive assertion of gay values where people have deeply held beliefs about it being sinful.

I know the canned responses to all this. "But we have to center on straightness and we have our beliefs assaulted by a heteronormative culture!" Yes. Yes, you do. And that isn't going to change. These religions have dominated the world for thousands of years and you're going to have to deal with it. The best we can do is to tolerate everyone-- and stop insisting that people accept each other. It's not going to happen.

This country was founded on freedom of religion but somehow that has become only freedom of Christian religion.

If you don’t want to see a pride parade, don’t go. Is not hard. If you don’t want an abortion, fine. Don’t have one. Why does everyone else have to abide by your arbitrary religious rules?

My Christian version of religion doesn’t espouse hate. Why do others get to control?

I'm surprised you don't know this, but Islam takes a very dim view of homosexuality. Culturally, Muslims are much less accepting of the practice and in fact, it is illegal in most nations.

Muslims and Christians together make up more than half the people on the globe. Here in the US, you will not be jailed for homosexual behavior. However, you cannot expect religious people to simply cede the culture to you. You are not ceding the culture to them, in fact, you are strenuously agitating against them. Why wouldn't you expect the same in return?

Any other time, I feel fairly certain an R would require ceding of others’ culture. How about TX posting the 10 commandments in classrooms?

Pp you are responding to. Yes. These values are in conflict and only one can win. I understand that the LGBTQ activist culture would like to see kids indoctrinated in gender theory at a young age. But this is at odds with the religious conservative belief that children should be indoctrinated in Judeo-Christian values. This is a clash and both sides are going to fight it out. It's unreasonable for the left to expect to be unopposed on these issues.

Re the 10 commandments- I don't believe this would hold up in litigation. It seems like a stretch.

PP/OP here. Thanks for this. This is the kind of dialogue I was hoping for.

I fear that this court will allow the Ten Commandments. They just permitted states to decide who gets to be a citizen.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA here. I am fine with LGBTQetc. I'm not fine having to constantly center on their experiences. Also not fine with religious people being called bigots if they object to celebrating Pride events. I'm also not fine with, for example, flying Pride flags outside our embassies in Muslim nations. And basically any other aggressive assertion of gay values where people have deeply held beliefs about it being sinful.

I know the canned responses to all this. "But we have to center on straightness and we have our beliefs assaulted by a heteronormative culture!" Yes. Yes, you do. And that isn't going to change. These religions have dominated the world for thousands of years and you're going to have to deal with it. The best we can do is to tolerate everyone-- and stop insisting that people accept each other. It's not going to happen.

This country was founded on freedom of religion but somehow that has become only freedom of Christian religion.

If you don’t want to see a pride parade, don’t go. Is not hard. If you don’t want an abortion, fine. Don’t have one. Why does everyone else have to abide by your arbitrary religious rules?

My Christian version of religion doesn’t espouse hate. Why do others get to control?

I'm surprised you don't know this, but Islam takes a very dim view of homosexuality. Culturally, Muslims are much less accepting of the practice and in fact, it is illegal in most nations.

Muslims and Christians together make up more than half the people on the globe. Here in the US, you will not be jailed for homosexual behavior. However, you cannot expect religious people to simply cede the culture to you. You are not ceding the culture to them, in fact, you are strenuously agitating against them. Why wouldn't you expect the same in return?

Any other time, I feel fairly certain an R would require ceding of others’ culture. How about TX posting the 10 commandments in classrooms?

Displaying the 10 commandments has been litigated and found unconstitutional many times and continues to be debated. That you compare lgbt+ visibility to religious people pushing the 10 commandments in public schools should tell you that they are similar. They are both pushing their lifestyle on other people. Btw I am a D and many others here are too I bet.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t understand why they are doing everything they can to make them invisible and strip them of rights. Help me understand. Don’t give me Bible BS. There are plenty of other things in the Bible we don’t permit like polygamy.

Because a) they believe being LBGTQ is a choice on some level b) they’re afraid of their kids being LGBTQ and so they want all references removed out of fear their child will be “convinced.”

People have a right to shape the moral thinking of their children.

It’s not a morality issue though.

In what world is it not?! Get real.

Morality implies choice. Being gay is not a choice.

There is no proof of a genetic trait determining homosexuality and that isn’t the point anyway. These lessons weren’t about “gays exist.” That argument was obliterated in the majority opinion so go read it. It was about promotion. It was about the trans issue as well including the idea that you have an internal soul that can conflict with your body and that is NOT science.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA here. I am fine with LGBTQetc. I'm not fine having to constantly center on their experiences. Also not fine with religious people being called bigots if they object to celebrating Pride events. I'm also not fine with, for example, flying Pride flags outside our embassies in Muslim nations. And basically any other aggressive assertion of gay values where people have deeply held beliefs about it being sinful.

I know the canned responses to all this. "But we have to center on straightness and we have our beliefs assaulted by a heteronormative culture!" Yes. Yes, you do. And that isn't going to change. These religions have dominated the world for thousands of years and you're going to have to deal with it. The best we can do is to tolerate everyone-- and stop insisting that people accept each other. It's not going to happen.

This country was founded on freedom of religion but somehow that has become only freedom of Christian religion.

If you don’t want to see a pride parade, don’t go. Is not hard. If you don’t want an abortion, fine. Don’t have one. Why does everyone else have to abide by your arbitrary religious rules?

My Christian version of religion doesn’t espouse hate. Why do others get to control?

I'm surprised you don't know this, but Islam takes a very dim view of homosexuality. Culturally, Muslims are much less accepting of the practice and in fact, it is illegal in most nations.

Muslims and Christians together make up more than half the people on the globe. Here in the US, you will not be jailed for homosexual behavior. However, you cannot expect religious people to simply cede the culture to you. You are not ceding the culture to them, in fact, you are strenuously agitating against them. Why wouldn't you expect the same in return?

Any other time, I feel fairly certain an R would require ceding of others’ culture. How about TX posting the 10 commandments in classrooms?

Pp you are responding to. Yes. These values are in conflict and only one can win. I understand that the LGBTQ activist culture would like to see kids indoctrinated in gender theory at a young age. But this is at odds with the religious conservative belief that children should be indoctrinated in Judeo-Christian values. This is a clash and both sides are going to fight it out. It's unreasonable for the left to expect to be unopposed on these issues.

Re the 10 commandments- I don't believe this would hold up in litigation. It seems like a stretch.

PP/OP here. Thanks for this. This is the kind of dialogue I was hoping for.

I fear that this court will allow the Ten Commandments. They just permitted states to decide who gets to be a citizen.

That was not the finding of the birthright case at all. Lease stop posting about things you don’t understand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don’t understand why they are doing everything they can to make them invisible and strip them of rights. Help me understand. Don’t give me Bible BS. There are plenty of other things in the Bible we don’t permit like polygamy.

Because a) they believe being LBGTQ is a choice on some level b) they’re afraid of their kids being LGBTQ and so they want all references removed out of fear their child will be “convinced.”

And it’s their right to believe that. So leave other parents alone. Raise your kids the way you want but you don’t get to force your beliefs on other people’s kids at taxpayer funded schools without an opt out.

Key word there— belief.

One day someone will sue their school district because they smoke and the health teacher dared to say smoking causes cancer and little Larla is traumatized and went home crying begging for her parents to stop smoking. And they don’t believe smoking always causes cancer because they go to the gym and feel just fine and nana and George Burns smoked and lived until 100.

For the past 3 years, I have had multiple students utterly confused during our solar system unit because their dads told them the earth is flat. I am not even kidding. I fully expect to eventually get an angry parent email for teaching kids about gravity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA here. I am fine with LGBTQetc. I'm not fine having to constantly center on their experiences. Also not fine with religious people being called bigots if they object to celebrating Pride events. I'm also not fine with, for example, flying Pride flags outside our embassies in Muslim nations. And basically any other aggressive assertion of gay values where people have deeply held beliefs about it being sinful.

I know the canned responses to all this. "But we have to center on straightness and we have our beliefs assaulted by a heteronormative culture!" Yes. Yes, you do. And that isn't going to change. These religions have dominated the world for thousands of years and you're going to have to deal with it. The best we can do is to tolerate everyone-- and stop insisting that people accept each other. It's not going to happen.

This country was founded on freedom of religion but somehow that has become only freedom of Christian religion.

If you don’t want to see a pride parade, don’t go. Is not hard. If you don’t want an abortion, fine. Don’t have one. Why does everyone else have to abide by your arbitrary religious rules?

My Christian version of religion doesn’t espouse hate. Why do others get to control?

I'm surprised you don't know this, but Islam takes a very dim view of homosexuality. Culturally, Muslims are much less accepting of the practice and in fact, it is illegal in most nations.

Muslims and Christians together make up more than half the people on the globe. Here in the US, you will not be jailed for homosexual behavior. However, you cannot expect religious people to simply cede the culture to you. You are not ceding the culture to them, in fact, you are strenuously agitating against them. Why wouldn't you expect the same in return?

Any other time, I feel fairly certain an R would require ceding of others’ culture. How about TX posting the 10 commandments in classrooms?

Pp you are responding to. Yes. These values are in conflict and only one can win. I understand that the LGBTQ activist culture would like to see kids indoctrinated in gender theory at a young age. But this is at odds with the religious conservative belief that children should be indoctrinated in Judeo-Christian values. This is a clash and both sides are going to fight it out. It's unreasonable for the left to expect to be unopposed on these issues.

Re the 10 commandments- I don't believe this would hold up in litigation. It seems like a stretch.

PP/OP here. Thanks for this. This is the kind of dialogue I was hoping for.

I fear that this court will allow the Ten Commandments. They just permitted states to decide who gets to be a citizen.

I think it will come down to the words "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" and whether the 10 commandments favor Jews/Christians/Muslims who tend to believe in the 10 commandments over other religions. I'm a Christian conservative but I think its a long shot this would hold up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA here. I am fine with LGBTQetc. I'm not fine having to constantly center on their experiences. Also not fine with religious people being called bigots if they object to celebrating Pride events. I'm also not fine with, for example, flying Pride flags outside our embassies in Muslim nations. And basically any other aggressive assertion of gay values where people have deeply held beliefs about it being sinful.

I know the canned responses to all this. "But we have to center on straightness and we have our beliefs assaulted by a heteronormative culture!" Yes. Yes, you do. And that isn't going to change. These religions have dominated the world for thousands of years and you're going to have to deal with it. The best we can do is to tolerate everyone-- and stop insisting that people accept each other. It's not going to happen.

This country was founded on freedom of religion but somehow that has become only freedom of Christian religion.

If you don’t want to see a pride parade, don’t go. Is not hard. If you don’t want an abortion, fine. Don’t have one. Why does everyone else have to abide by your arbitrary religious rules?

My Christian version of religion doesn’t espouse hate. Why do others get to control?

The plaintiffs in the Supreme Court case from Maryland were primarily parents, led by Tamer Mahmoud and Enas Barakat, a Muslim couple, who objected to their children being required to receive instruction that promoted acceptance of homosexuality or transgender individuals without the option to opt out.

So my question to you is why are you ignoring this and blaming Christians?

Democrats take the de facto Christian culture we have for granted. They really need to study other cultures a little more closely, to wash some that "naive open mindedness" off. When it comes to other culture Democrats are so ignorant. Sorry excuse for an education if ask me.

I used to be like that, then I had a job working for a company that were run by Muslims. Wait a second they don't believe in weekends and Christmas makes them down right upset. Oh and the Middle East has some of the worst workers' rights of anywhere in the world. No really, sixty seventy years ago they still had slavery. In the nearby East Africa there are still a large quantity of slaves.

Makes me proud of our easy-going non-seculars here the US. Have a Merry-Juneteenth yay we ended slavery!

That being said, some of these external cultures probably make more sense if you actually live in them for example. If actually had Ramadan off and I am jealous of all of those Hindu Holidays. Unfortunately, these people don't have good enough taste to realize that practicing their beliefs in their place of business impinges on my quality of life. Oh, but they hate my Christmas. They want me to work that day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don’t understand why they are doing everything they can to make them invisible and strip them of rights. Help me understand. Don’t give me Bible BS. There are plenty of other things in the Bible we don’t permit like polygamy.

Because a) they believe being LBGTQ is a choice on some level b) they’re afraid of their kids being LGBTQ and so they want all references removed out of fear their child will be “convinced.”

And it’s their right to believe that. So leave other parents alone. Raise your kids the way you want but you don’t get to force your beliefs on other people’s kids at taxpayer funded schools without an opt out.

Key word there— belief.

One day someone will sue their school district because they smoke and the health teacher dared to say smoking causes cancer and little Larla is traumatized and went home crying begging for her parents to stop smoking. And they don’t believe smoking always causes cancer because they go to the gym and feel just fine and nana and George Burns smoked and lived until 100.

No. Religions don't take much of a stance on smoking or the origins of cancer. Culturally, smoking has been more or less common worldwide. It's not the same. I know OP doesnt want to talk about religion. But it's impossible not to, when religion has shaped our culture for thousands of years.

But we live in a country where people talk about religion when they talk about vaccines— based on beliefs. See SW Texas.

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Anonymous wrote:Op, to put it simply- they think it will make their child gay. That’s really all there is to it.

Little do they know that kids who grow up in conservative, evangelical households are absolutely NOTORIOUS for secretly rebelling against their parents. I guess what they don’t know can’t hurt them. Lol

This is actually what is at the root of
Most of our problems - a lack of understanding of science and a failure to
Teach critical thinking skills.

Teaching someone that they were born in the wrong body and need hormones and surgery to fix it isn’t “critical thinking skills.” It’s a highly debatable position entirely inappropriate for children to be exposed to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t understand why they are doing everything they can to make them invisible and strip them of rights. Help me understand. Don’t give me Bible BS. There are plenty of other things in the Bible we don’t permit like polygamy.

Because a) they believe being LBGTQ is a choice on some level b) they’re afraid of their kids being LGBTQ and so they want all references removed out of fear their child will be “convinced.”

People have a right to shape the moral thinking of their children.

It’s not a morality issue though.

In what world is it not?! Get real.

Morality implies choice. Being gay is not a choice.

There is no proof of a genetic trait determining homosexuality and that isn’t the point anyway. These lessons weren’t about “gays exist.” That argument was obliterated in the majority opinion so go read it. It was about promotion. It was about the trans issue as well including the idea that you have an internal soul that can conflict with your body and that is NOT science.

Honest question- where has this been occurring? I am not challenging you. I just genuinely have not followed this closely or heard of actual cases.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA here. I am fine with LGBTQetc. I'm not fine having to constantly center on their experiences. Also not fine with religious people being called bigots if they object to celebrating Pride events. I'm also not fine with, for example, flying Pride flags outside our embassies in Muslim nations. And basically any other aggressive assertion of gay values where people have deeply held beliefs about it being sinful.

I know the canned responses to all this. "But we have to center on straightness and we have our beliefs assaulted by a heteronormative culture!" Yes. Yes, you do. And that isn't going to change. These religions have dominated the world for thousands of years and you're going to have to deal with it. The best we can do is to tolerate everyone-- and stop insisting that people accept each other. It's not going to happen.

This country was founded on freedom of religion but somehow that has become only freedom of Christian religion.

If you don’t want to see a pride parade, don’t go. Is not hard. If you don’t want an abortion, fine. Don’t have one. Why does everyone else have to abide by your arbitrary religious rules?

My Christian version of religion doesn’t espouse hate. Why do others get to control?

I'm surprised you don't know this, but Islam takes a very dim view of homosexuality. Culturally, Muslims are much less accepting of the practice and in fact, it is illegal in most nations.

Muslims and Christians together make up more than half the people on the globe. Here in the US, you will not be jailed for homosexual behavior. However, you cannot expect religious people to simply cede the culture to you. You are not ceding the culture to them, in fact, you are strenuously agitating against them. Why wouldn't you expect the same in return?

Any other time, I feel fairly certain an R would require ceding of others’ culture. How about TX posting the 10 commandments in classrooms?

Pp you are responding to. Yes. These values are in conflict and only one can win. I understand that the LGBTQ activist culture would like to see kids indoctrinated in gender theory at a young age. But this is at odds with the religious conservative belief that children should be indoctrinated in Judeo-Christian values. This is a clash and both sides are going to fight it out. It's unreasonable for the left to expect to be unopposed on these issues.

Re the 10 commandments- I don't believe this would hold up in litigation. It seems like a stretch.

PP/OP here. Thanks for this. This is the kind of dialogue I was hoping for.

I fear that this court will allow the Ten Commandments. They just permitted states to decide who gets to be a citizen.

I think it will come down to the words "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" and whether the 10 commandments favor Jews/Christians/Muslims who tend to believe in the 10 commandments over other religions. I'm a Christian conservative but I think its a long shot this would hold up.

The federal appeals court unanimously found it unconstitutional so I’m not sure why this is even part of this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t understand why they are doing everything they can to make them invisible and strip them of rights. Help me understand. Don’t give me Bible BS. There are plenty of other things in the Bible we don’t permit like polygamy.

Because a) they believe being LBGTQ is a choice on some level b) they’re afraid of their kids being LGBTQ and so they want all references removed out of fear their child will be “convinced.”

People have a right to shape the moral thinking of their children.

It’s not a morality issue though.

In what world is it not?! Get real.

Morality implies choice. Being gay is not a choice.

There is no proof of a genetic trait determining homosexuality and that isn’t the point anyway. These lessons weren’t about “gays exist.” That argument was obliterated in the majority opinion so go read it. It was about promotion. It was about the trans issue as well including the idea that you have an internal soul that can conflict with your body and that is NOT science.

Honest question- where has this been occurring? I am not challenging you. I just genuinely have not followed this closely or heard of actual cases.

Read. The. SCOTUS. Opinion.