The lowest of all the possible lows: US deports parents and KEEPS THE CHILD

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The father was the lead plaintiff suing not to go to Guantanamo Bay. Now it seems like he might have been better off there.

What do they have on him since from when he entered over a year ago in May 22, 2024, in El Paso, Texas and requested asylum he has been in custody? That seem so strange since most people with children were not detained or only briefly detained under Biden.

Just read his declaration and he says the mother of the child has been detained since October of 2024 because they have been having weekly in person visits with the child. Removing the child from the parents happened under Biden. Poor kid.

From his declaration-

7. Additionally, I do not want to be transferred to or detained at Guantanamo because I will
be separated from my partner, Yorely Escarleth Bernal Inciarte, and my two-year-old
daughter. My partner is also detained at the El Paso Processing Center. Our daughter is
currently in ORR custody. My partner and I have had weekly, in-person visits with our
daughter since around October 2024. If I am transferred to Guantanamo, I will be
separated from my family.

Biden wasn't using Guantanamo. Something is off here.

He was sent to Guantanamo UNDER TRUMP.

The Biden administration AND copycat Trum administration used tattoos as screening tool. Both abslolutely assenine.

Will people stop saying "the government did X. They must be really bad"??? Do a little research for yourselves!! Otherwise you are COMPLICIT. The government is imprisoning INNOCENT Venezuelans right now. There was no accusation of a crime. There is ZERO evidence that the mom is in Tren de Aragua. There was no due process. Do you hate the Consitution and freedom?? You are letting this happen!

I will finish by saying I DON'T CARE IF THEY ARE IN A GANG. YOU CANNOT STEAL BABIES. I won't even list the totally obvious other options here, of which there are many. The only one that is the worst kind of wrong is KEEPING THIS BABY IN THE US.

There was due process. That's why they made a declaration and requested not to be sent to Guantanamo.

[Anonymous]

Are we even sure this is their child? Perhaps they brought a child with them to make it easier to get through the border.

First Democrats complained about kids being detained with their parents, then they complained about kids in cages.

Now they want to deport kids to become gang members. This is child abuse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You have got to pick better examples for these sob stories:

"The child in question’s father, Maiker Espinoza-Escalona, is a lieutenant of Tren De Aragua who oversees homicides, drug sales, kidnappings, extortion, sex trafficking and operates a torture house, the agency said.

DHS added that, in addition to the father, the child’s mother, Yorely Escarleth Bernal Inciarte, oversees the recruitment of young women for drug smuggling and prostitution."

Again, these two were locked up under Biden and Biden let everyone in! Biden even went so far as to fly people into the country from Venezuela and these two were still locked up!

Oh, but I'm sure their intentions were heartfelt and good. OP keeps searching for stories in an attempt to justify illegal immigration and trash the US.

1. They were not illegal.
2. I am not trying to justify illegal immigration
3. I am 100% fine with the US government deporting mother, father, and child together to Venezuela.

What I am not okay with:
1. Sending people to a maximum security prison in El Salvador, especially *without due process*
2. Deporting a mother and keeping the baby

How am I unreasonable?

You know there’s another thread here where the baby went with the deported mother, and people are angry about it. m

Did you post there and say that’s ok?

Actually, I did not post on that thread.

Way to change the subject and way to assume one size fits all.

There are many different ways to be wrong, and the Trump Administration is experimenting with as many possible to create terror. They are scaring away immigrants who are here. They are scaring away immigrants from coming. They are also ruining our trillion dollar tourism. All of these are appalling. But I am talking about something different: the good of the child.

That is the principle promoted by the United Nations and that mattered to us until just a few months ago. We used to care about the good of the child.

I am going to blow your mind here: different decisions may be made in different situations for the good of the child.

Some possible differences to take into account: If a child is an American citizen; if parent is an American citizen, if parent being deported wishes to have the child removed; if an American citizen parent thinks it is best to keep the child in the US. Why is it so hard to believe that there may be different considerations.

The unifying principle is the good of the child. ANd that is why DHS has to make up lies to demonize this couple, because there is no way to justify keeping this child when:

*the Venezuelan mother has been deported
*the child is also Venezuelan
*the mother has begged for the child to be deported with her

The Biden admin was the first to remove the child from her parents because they thought they were so dangerous. You don't trust Biden?

With regard to this administration, everyone claims that they want to get rid of any possible immigrants to pump their deportation numbers up. This would have been a very easy deportation if that were their goal since they were all denied asylum. So which is it?

Did you ever think that maybe the migrants and their families were the ones lying? They have every motivation to do so.

I have been very open about criticizing Biden. The tattoo-screening policy has been shredded. Absolutely naive, misguided, and awful. However, I DO trust Biden to require due process. I am sure he failed in many ways, but he has not burned the Constituion and spit on the ashes.

I don't understand the second question. The followed the legal channels. They went by the book. Go ahead and deny them asylum and send them home. No one on this thread is saying that that would be illegal or profoundly immoral. In fact, the message here is: Please, send them all back to Venezuela. Whatever their reasons for leaving pale in comparison to the nightmare Trump has created.

As for the migrants lying, I am sure some are. And I am sure that a small percentage of those sent to CECOT are violent criminals (respected news sources have estimated 10%, a far cry from ALL of THEM). What different does it make in this situation??? This is a moment of Moral Clarity: you deported the Venezuelan mother and she is begging for her Venezuelan child. This is a very simple and clear situation.

What is your evidence that the tattoos were the only evidence of gang membership? The parents were apparently held as soon as they got here. Biden put the child in foster care. If they thought the parents were that dangerous why would they send the child back?

The bar for refusing asylum in the US is low.

In contrast, our country sets a much higher bar when it comes to convicting someone of a crime and sentencing them to prison.

The onus is not on me to provide any evidence, it is on DHS.

I'll answer anyway:
*if they had any evidence, they would have published it, instead of slandering the couple with uncorroborated accusations
*we have seen the same MO repeatedly when DHS is asked specifically about prisoners who are most apparently innocent (for example, Jerce Reyes Barrios and Andry José Hernández Romero) or generally asked about the very high percentage of LEGAL immigrants with ZERO CRIMINAL RECORD who were sent to a maximum security prison in El Salvador.

How do I know that they are lying: Their lips are moving.

Now, stop with the disingenuous pretense that you care for the well-being of the child. This is a very clear case. No one is arguing against the deportation. The Venezuelan mother has been deported and is demanding that her Venezuelan child be returned to her.

Give the mother her child!

The government proved to a judge that these people are gang members. The judge believes their evidence. You are taking the family members statement as fact. They have an incentive to lie.

To be clear, Id prefer that the kid be sent back with her parents. But if the parents have been determined to be sex traffickers, yeah I can see why they wouldn't send them back. I believe the Venezuelan government about as much as you believe ours

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have been looking into this story since Friday. I have contacts in Venezuela who shared the most heart-wrenching video I have seen in my life of a woman devastated because she had been deported without her child.

It turns out I had already heard about this family, who came to the US last year and requested asylum (through the legal channels for inquiring minds!) in the following April 1st ABC news article: https://abcnews.go.com/US/family-venezuelan-migrant-recently-el-salvador-american-horror/story?id=120381541

The US sent the Maiker Espinoza Escalonal to CECOT, kept the mother Yorelys Bernal detained, and put the baby in foster care. I am incensed that the Biden administration started this horror show but the escalation by Trump is horrific. We have now deported the mother and KEPT the two-year-old!! She has no contact with the family who has her baby.

I honestly didn't know whether or not I could believe this atrocity but DHS has confirmed it. Of course they have put their dishonest/we are saviors/demonize the imigrant spin on it:
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/04/26/dhs-sweeps-action-protect-child-tren-de-aragua-parents

Even if the DHS accusations were believable (which they absolutely are NOT), even if there had been some kind of due process (there has NOT), this is an atrocity.
This is kidnapping.
This goes against common sense and any sense of morality. If you deport the mother -- and the mother implores you to give her back her child -- there is only one thing to do.

The US are officially kidnappers. We are officially as bad as you can get.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is firing back after it says the Venezuelan government spread false information that the Trump administration was separating children from parents who are members of the violent Tren de Aragua gang (TdA).

A spokesperson for DHS shared a news release that said, despite the Venezuelan government claiming the U.S. “kidnapped” a child, “the truth is DHS took action because both her parents are part of Tren De Aragua.”

The child in question’s father, Maiker Espinoza-Escalona, is a lieutenant of Tren De Aragua who oversees homicides, drug sales, kidnappings, extortion, sex trafficking and operates a torture house, the agency said.

DHS added that, in


addition to the father, the child’s mother, Yorely Escarleth Bernal Inciarte, oversees the recruitment of young women for drug smuggling and prostitution.


“These criminal illegal aliens entered the country illegally and had final orders of removal from a judge,” DHS said.

DHS said the child was taken off the deportation flight manifest for her safety and welfare through a partnership with the Department of Health and Human Services. The child remains in the care and custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement and was placed with a foster family, the agency said.

The agency added that “parents are asked if they want to be removed with their children or ICE will place the children with someone the parent designates.”


https://www.wccsradio.com/rss/dhs-sets-record-straight-after-venezuelan-government-claims-children-of-tda-gang-members-were-kidnapped/

op and anyone who defends these violent criminals should be forced to take said criminals into their homes. You like human traffickers so very much, op, can you explain your care for them?

PP, we have already addressed the unreliability of DHS.

Two important questions for you:

1. what do you make of your own citation?
The agency added that “parents are asked if they want to be removed with their children or ICE will place the children with someone the parent designates.”


2. why did you leave out the following quote from the very article you quoted?
“In this case, the parent stated they wanted to be removed with the children,” DHS said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have been looking into this story since Friday. I have contacts in Venezuela who shared the most heart-wrenching video I have seen in my life of a woman devastated because she had been deported without her child.

It turns out I had already heard about this family, who came to the US last year and requested asylum (through the legal channels for inquiring minds!) in the following April 1st ABC news article: https://abcnews.go.com/US/family-venezuelan-migrant-recently-el-salvador-american-horror/story?id=120381541

The US sent the Maiker Espinoza Escalonal to CECOT, kept the mother Yorelys Bernal detained, and put the baby in foster care. I am incensed that the Biden administration started this horror show but the escalation by Trump is horrific. We have now deported the mother and KEPT the two-year-old!! She has no contact with the family who has her baby.

I honestly didn't know whether or not I could believe this atrocity but DHS has confirmed it. Of course they have put their dishonest/we are saviors/demonize the imigrant spin on it:
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/04/26/dhs-sweeps-action-protect-child-tren-de-aragua-parents

Even if the DHS accusations were believable (which they absolutely are NOT), even if there had been some kind of due process (there has NOT), this is an atrocity.
This is kidnapping.
This goes against common sense and any sense of morality. If you deport the mother -- and the mother implores you to give her back her child -- there is only one thing to do.

The US are officially kidnappers. We are officially as bad as you can get.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is firing back after it says the Venezuelan government spread false information that the Trump administration was separating children from parents who are members of the violent Tren de Aragua gang (TdA).

A spokesperson for DHS shared a news release that said, despite the Venezuelan government claiming the U.S. “kidnapped” a child, “the truth is DHS took action because both her parents are part of Tren De Aragua.”

The child in question’s father, Maiker Espinoza-Escalona, is a lieutenant of Tren De Aragua who oversees homicides, drug sales, kidnappings, extortion, sex trafficking and operates a torture house, the agency said.

DHS added that, in


addition to the father, the child’s mother, Yorely Escarleth Bernal Inciarte, oversees the recruitment of young women for drug smuggling and prostitution.


“These criminal illegal aliens entered the country illegally and had final orders of removal from a judge,” DHS said.

DHS said the child was taken off the deportation flight manifest for her safety and welfare through a partnership with the Department of Health and Human Services. The child remains in the care and custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement and was placed with a foster family, the agency said.

The agency added that “parents are asked if they want to be removed with their children or ICE will place the children with someone the parent designates.”


https://www.wccsradio.com/rss/dhs-sets-record-straight-after-venezuelan-government-claims-children-of-tda-gang-members-were-kidnapped/

op and anyone who defends these violent criminals should be forced to take said criminals into their homes. You like human traffickers so very much, op, can you explain your care for them?

PP, we have already addressed the unreliability of DHS.

Two important questions for you:

1. what do you make of your own citation?
The agency added that “parents are asked if they want to be removed with their children or ICE will place the children with someone the parent designates.”


2. why did you leave out the following quote from the very article you quoted?
“In this case, the parent stated they wanted to be removed with the children,” DHS said.

Go ahead and copy and paste the entire article. It’s against forum guidelines.

Democrats definitely have won the human trafficker vote next election. How proud they must be.

[Anonymous]

If you want to be really disgusted, listen to Tom Homan on Face the Nation.todsy. he is the reincarnation of Rudolf Hoess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have been looking into this story since Friday. I have contacts in Venezuela who shared the most heart-wrenching video I have seen in my life of a woman devastated because she had been deported without her child.

It turns out I had already heard about this family, who came to the US last year and requested asylum (through the legal channels for inquiring minds!) in the following April 1st ABC news article: https://abcnews.go.com/US/family-venezuelan-migrant-recently-el-salvador-american-horror/story?id=120381541

The US sent the Maiker Espinoza Escalonal to CECOT, kept the mother Yorelys Bernal detained, and put the baby in foster care. I am incensed that the Biden administration started this horror show but the escalation by Trump is horrific. We have now deported the mother and KEPT the two-year-old!! She has no contact with the family who has her baby.

I honestly didn't know whether or not I could believe this atrocity but DHS has confirmed it. Of course they have put their dishonest/we are saviors/demonize the imigrant spin on it:
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/04/26/dhs-sweeps-action-protect-child-tren-de-aragua-parents

Even if the DHS accusations were believable (which they absolutely are NOT), even if there had been some kind of due process (there has NOT), this is an atrocity.
This is kidnapping.
This goes against common sense and any sense of morality. If you deport the mother -- and the mother implores you to give her back her child -- there is only one thing to do.

The US are officially kidnappers. We are officially as bad as you can get.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is firing back after it says the Venezuelan government spread false information that the Trump administration was separating children from parents who are members of the violent Tren de Aragua gang (TdA).

A spokesperson for DHS shared a news release that said, despite the Venezuelan government claiming the U.S. “kidnapped” a child, “the truth is DHS took action because both her parents are part of Tren De Aragua.”

The child in question’s father, Maiker Espinoza-Escalona, is a lieutenant of Tren De Aragua who oversees homicides, drug sales, kidnappings, extortion, sex trafficking and operates a torture house, the agency said.

DHS added that, in


addition to the father, the child’s mother, Yorely Escarleth Bernal Inciarte, oversees the recruitment of young women for drug smuggling and prostitution.


“These criminal illegal aliens entered the country illegally and had final orders of removal from a judge,” DHS said.

DHS said the child was taken off the deportation flight manifest for her safety and welfare through a partnership with the Department of Health and Human Services. The child remains in the care and custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement and was placed with a foster family, the agency said.

The agency added that “parents are asked if they want to be removed with their children or ICE will place the children with someone the parent designates.”


https://www.wccsradio.com/rss/dhs-sets-record-straight-after-venezuelan-government-claims-children-of-tda-gang-members-were-kidnapped/

op and anyone who defends these violent criminals should be forced to take said criminals into their homes. You like human traffickers so very much, op, can you explain your care for them?

PP, we have already addressed the unreliability of DHS.

Two important questions for you:

1. what do you make of your own citation?
The agency added that “parents are asked if they want to be removed with their children or ICE will place the children with someone the parent designates.”


2. why did you leave out the following quote from the very article you quoted?
“In this case, the parent stated they wanted to be removed with the children,” DHS said.

I am a Democrat who is supportive of stricter immigration enforcement and I agree that parents who are being deported should always be given the option to take their child with them. It does seem like this is the policy (and is what happened in the case of the Honduran mom/American child that’s also going litigated right now).

I’m not going to debate the truth or merits of DHS’ claim that the parents here are gang members and sex traffickers, but that’s the basis on which the child was removed from their custody. If true, I think that’s a defensible decision. It’s not a case of “Trump is brutally and inhumanely and systematically enforcing kidnapping and forced separation of parents from their children.” It’s important to be accurate here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You have got to pick better examples for these sob stories:

"The child in question’s father, Maiker Espinoza-Escalona, is a lieutenant of Tren De Aragua who oversees homicides, drug sales, kidnappings, extortion, sex trafficking and operates a torture house, the agency said.

DHS added that, in addition to the father, the child’s mother, Yorely Escarleth Bernal Inciarte, oversees the recruitment of young women for drug smuggling and prostitution."

Again, these two were locked up under Biden and Biden let everyone in! Biden even went so far as to fly people into the country from Venezuela and these two were still locked up!

Oh, but I'm sure their intentions were heartfelt and good. OP keeps searching for stories in an attempt to justify illegal immigration and trash the US.

1. They were not illegal.
2. I am not trying to justify illegal immigration
3. I am 100% fine with the US government deporting mother, father, and child together to Venezuela.

What I am not okay with:
1. Sending people to a maximum security prison in El Salvador, especially *without due process*
2. Deporting a mother and keeping the baby

How am I unreasonable?

You know there’s another thread here where the baby went with the deported mother, and people are angry about it. m

Did you post there and say that’s ok?

Actually, I did not post on that thread.

Way to change the subject and way to assume one size fits all.

There are many different ways to be wrong, and the Trump Administration is experimenting with as many possible to create terror. They are scaring away immigrants who are here. They are scaring away immigrants from coming. They are also ruining our trillion dollar tourism. All of these are appalling. But I am talking about something different: the good of the child.

That is the principle promoted by the United Nations and that mattered to us until just a few months ago. We used to care about the good of the child.

I am going to blow your mind here: different decisions may be made in different situations for the good of the child.

Some possible differences to take into account: If a child is an American citizen; if parent is an American citizen, if parent being deported wishes to have the child removed; if an American citizen parent thinks it is best to keep the child in the US. Why is it so hard to believe that there may be different considerations.

The unifying principle is the good of the child. ANd that is why DHS has to make up lies to demonize this couple, because there is no way to justify keeping this child when:

*the Venezuelan mother has been deported
*the child is also Venezuelan
*the mother has begged for the child to be deported with her

The Biden admin was the first to remove the child from her parents because they thought they were so dangerous. You don't trust Biden?

With regard to this administration, everyone claims that they want to get rid of any possible immigrants to pump their deportation numbers up. This would have been a very easy deportation if that were their goal since they were all denied asylum. So which is it?

Did you ever think that maybe the migrants and their families were the ones lying? They have every motivation to do so.

I have been very open about criticizing Biden. The tattoo-screening policy has been shredded. Absolutely naive, misguided, and awful. However, I DO trust Biden to require due process. I am sure he failed in many ways, but he has not burned the Constituion and spit on the ashes.

I don't understand the second question. The followed the legal channels. They went by the book. Go ahead and deny them asylum and send them home. No one on this thread is saying that that would be illegal or profoundly immoral. In fact, the message here is: Please, send them all back to Venezuela. Whatever their reasons for leaving pale in comparison to the nightmare Trump has created.

As for the migrants lying, I am sure some are. And I am sure that a small percentage of those sent to CECOT are violent criminals (respected news sources have estimated 10%, a far cry from ALL of THEM). What different does it make in this situation??? This is a moment of Moral Clarity: you deported the Venezuelan mother and she is begging for her Venezuelan child. This is a very simple and clear situation.

What is your evidence that the tattoos were the only evidence of gang membership? The parents were apparently held as soon as they got here. Biden put the child in foster care. If they thought the parents were that dangerous why would they send the child back?

The bar for refusing asylum in the US is low.

In contrast, our country sets a much higher bar when it comes to convicting someone of a crime and sentencing them to prison.

The onus is not on me to provide any evidence, it is on DHS.

I'll answer anyway:
*if they had any evidence, they would have published it, instead of slandering the couple with uncorroborated accusations
*we have seen the same MO repeatedly when DHS is asked specifically about prisoners who are most apparently innocent (for example, Jerce Reyes Barrios and Andry José Hernández Romero) or generally asked about the very high percentage of LEGAL immigrants with ZERO CRIMINAL RECORD who were sent to a maximum security prison in El Salvador.

How do I know that they are lying: Their lips are moving.

Now, stop with the disingenuous pretense that you care for the well-being of the child. This is a very clear case. No one is arguing against the deportation. The Venezuelan mother has been deported and is demanding that her Venezuelan child be returned to her.

Give the mother her child!

The government proved to a judge that these people are gang members. The judge believes their evidence. You are taking the family members statement as fact. They have an incentive to lie.

To be clear, Id prefer that the kid be sent back with her parents. But if the parents have been determined to be sex traffickers, yeah I can see why they wouldn't send them back. I believe the Venezuelan government about as much as you believe ours

Citation??? The hearing was about the legality and procedures of his transfer to Guantánamo Bay, not a determination of his alleged gang affiliation.

His legal team has said that no evidence was presented relating to his gang membership. They assume that it was based on his tattoos because no evidence was presented.

ICE has fully acknowledged that many of the men transferred lacked criminal records. Their logic is that the lack of evidence "demonstrates that they are terrorists."

I am not interested in what the Venezuelan government has said, so no need to address that. You say that the family has incentive to lie. So does DHS. And we know that they have lied and will continue to do so. So since there is no evidence, who are we supposed to believe.

Please also cite where the "parents have been determined to be sex traffickers." (And no, a DHS press release does not count.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have been looking into this story since Friday. I have contacts in Venezuela who shared the most heart-wrenching video I have seen in my life of a woman devastated because she had been deported without her child.

It turns out I had already heard about this family, who came to the US last year and requested asylum (through the legal channels for inquiring minds!) in the following April 1st ABC news article: https://abcnews.go.com/US/family-venezuelan-migrant-recently-el-salvador-american-horror/story?id=120381541

The US sent the Maiker Espinoza Escalonal to CECOT, kept the mother Yorelys Bernal detained, and put the baby in foster care. I am incensed that the Biden administration started this horror show but the escalation by Trump is horrific. We have now deported the mother and KEPT the two-year-old!! She has no contact with the family who has her baby.

I honestly didn't know whether or not I could believe this atrocity but DHS has confirmed it. Of course they have put their dishonest/we are saviors/demonize the imigrant spin on it:
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/04/26/dhs-sweeps-action-protect-child-tren-de-aragua-parents

Even if the DHS accusations were believable (which they absolutely are NOT), even if there had been some kind of due process (there has NOT), this is an atrocity.
This is kidnapping.
This goes against common sense and any sense of morality. If you deport the mother -- and the mother implores you to give her back her child -- there is only one thing to do.

The US are officially kidnappers. We are officially as bad as you can get.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is firing back after it says the Venezuelan government spread false information that the Trump administration was separating children from parents who are members of the violent Tren de Aragua gang (TdA).

A spokesperson for DHS shared a news release that said, despite the Venezuelan government claiming the U.S. “kidnapped” a child, “the truth is DHS took action because both her parents are part of Tren De Aragua.”

The child in question’s father, Maiker Espinoza-Escalona, is a lieutenant of Tren De Aragua who oversees homicides, drug sales, kidnappings, extortion, sex trafficking and operates a torture house, the agency said.

DHS added that, in


addition to the father, the child’s mother, Yorely Escarleth Bernal Inciarte, oversees the recruitment of young women for drug smuggling and prostitution.


“These criminal illegal aliens entered the country illegally and had final orders of removal from a judge,” DHS said.

DHS said the child was taken off the deportation flight manifest for her safety and welfare through a partnership with the Department of Health and Human Services. The child remains in the care and custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement and was placed with a foster family, the agency said.

The agency added that “parents are asked if they want to be removed with their children or ICE will place the children with someone the parent designates.”


https://www.wccsradio.com/rss/dhs-sets-record-straight-after-venezuelan-government-claims-children-of-tda-gang-members-were-kidnapped/

op and anyone who defends these violent criminals should be forced to take said criminals into their homes. You like human traffickers so very much, op, can you explain your care for them?

PP, we have already addressed the unreliability of DHS.

Two important questions for you:

1. what do you make of your own citation?
The agency added that “parents are asked if they want to be removed with their children or ICE will place the children with someone the parent designates.”


2. why did you leave out the following quote from the very article you quoted?
“In this case, the parent stated they wanted to be removed with the children,” DHS said.

I am a Democrat who is supportive of stricter immigration enforcement and I agree that parents who are being deported should always be given the option to take their child with them. It does seem like this is the policy (and is what happened in the case of the Honduran mom/American child that’s also going litigated right now).

I’m not going to debate the truth or merits of DHS’ claim that the parents here are gang members and sex traffickers, but that’s the basis on which the child was removed from their custody. If true, I think that’s a defensible decision. It’s not a case of “Trump is brutally and inhumanely and systematically enforcing kidnapping and forced separation of parents from their children.” It’s important to be accurate here.

OP here and I respect your position. I am just asking you to look into where and when the parents have been proven to be anything but a family who arrived at the US and requested asylum.

There has been no determination of anything illegal. There was a case determining the legality of sending the husband to Guantanamo. There has never been any assessment of either one being a sex trafficker. There was no proof presented about them being gang members or sex traffickers. The family and legal team assume it is because of the tattoos because no other evidence has been provided. There isn't anything there.

The fact that DHS is just saying now is appalling. Even those among us who question Trump, want to believe our authorities. All I am asking is that you look into the question of whether they have been proven to be anything.

[Anonymous]

The child’s mother, Yorely Escarleth Bernal Inciarte oversees recruitment of young women for drug smuggling and prostitution. These criminal illegal aliens entered the country illegally and had final orders of removal from a judge.

Thanks to President Trump and Secretary Noem, both of these criminal gang members have been removed from our country.

In partnership with the Department of Health and Human Services, the child was taken off the deportation flight manifest for her safety and welfare. The child remains in the care and custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement and is currently placed with a foster family.

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Anonymous wrote:The father was the lead plaintiff suing not to go to Guantanamo Bay. Now it seems like he might have been better off there.

What do they have on him since from when he entered over a year ago in May 22, 2024, in El Paso, Texas and requested asylum he has been in custody? That seem so strange since most people with children were not detained or only briefly detained under Biden.

Just read his declaration and he says the mother of the child has been detained since October of 2024 because they have been having weekly in person visits with the child. Removing the child from the parents happened under Biden. Poor kid.

From his declaration-

7. Additionally, I do not want to be transferred to or detained at Guantanamo because I will
be separated from my partner, Yorely Escarleth Bernal Inciarte, and my two-year-old
daughter. My partner is also detained at the El Paso Processing Center. Our daughter is
currently in ORR custody. My partner and I have had weekly, in-person visits with our
daughter since around October 2024. If I am transferred to Guantanamo, I will be
separated from my family.

Biden wasn't using Guantanamo. Something is off here.

He was sent to Guantanamo UNDER TRUMP.

The Biden administration AND copycat Trum administration used tattoos as screening tool. Both abslolutely assenine.

Will people stop saying "the government did X. They must be really bad"??? Do a little research for yourselves!! Otherwise you are COMPLICIT. The government is imprisoning INNOCENT Venezuelans right now. There was no accusation of a crime. There is ZERO evidence that the mom is in Tren de Aragua. There was no due process. Do you hate the Consitution and freedom?? You are letting this happen!

I will finish by saying I DON'T CARE IF THEY ARE IN A GANG. YOU CANNOT STEAL BABIES. I won't even list the totally obvious other options here, of which there are many. The only one that is the worst kind of wrong is KEEPING THIS BABY IN THE US.

There was due process. That's why they made a declaration and requested not to be sent to Guantanamo.

Fake news. There was no due process. Nobody has ever ruled on his criminality. The judge only addressed the legality of his transfer to Guantanamo. Period.

Also: the case was still ongoing. They removed him from the jurisdiction of the U.S. courts, to make it harder for him to participate in future rulings in the case.

There has never been any court finding regarding his gang affiliation.

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Anonymous wrote:The child’s mother, Yorely Escarleth Bernal Inciarte oversees recruitment of young women for drug smuggling and prostitution. These criminal illegal aliens entered the country illegally and had final orders of removal from a judge.

Thanks to President Trump and Secretary Noem, both of these criminal gang members have been removed from our country.

In partnership with the Department of Health and Human Services, the child was taken off the deportation flight manifest for her safety and welfare. The child remains in the care and custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement and is currently placed with a foster family.

Citation from a court finding. Proof.

You cannot quote a DHS press release as proof.

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Anonymous wrote:The child’s mother, Yorely Escarleth Bernal Inciarte oversees recruitment of young women for drug smuggling and prostitution. These criminal illegal aliens entered the country illegally and had final orders of removal from a judge.

Thanks to President Trump and Secretary Noem, both of these criminal gang members have been removed from our country.

In partnership with the Department of Health and Human Services, the child was taken off the deportation flight manifest for her safety and welfare. The child remains in the care and custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement and is currently placed with a foster family.

Citation from a court finding. Proof.

You cannot quote a DHS press release as proof.

OP has no proof. I provided a government statemenr.

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Anonymous wrote:You have got to pick better examples for these sob stories:

"The child in question’s father, Maiker Espinoza-Escalona, is a lieutenant of Tren De Aragua who oversees homicides, drug sales, kidnappings, extortion, sex trafficking and operates a torture house, the agency said.

DHS added that, in addition to the father, the child’s mother, Yorely Escarleth Bernal Inciarte, oversees the recruitment of young women for drug smuggling and prostitution."

Again, these two were locked up under Biden and Biden let everyone in! Biden even went so far as to fly people into the country from Venezuela and these two were still locked up!

Oh, but I'm sure their intentions were heartfelt and good. OP keeps searching for stories in an attempt to justify illegal immigration and trash the US.

1. They were not illegal.
2. I am not trying to justify illegal immigration
3. I am 100% fine with the US government deporting mother, father, and child together to Venezuela.

What I am not okay with:
1. Sending people to a maximum security prison in El Salvador, especially *without due process*
2. Deporting a mother and keeping the baby

How am I unreasonable?

You know there’s another thread here where the baby went with the deported mother, and people are angry about it.

Did you post there and say that’s ok?

I believe that's the one where the child's father is a US citizen and wanted to keep her here.

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Anonymous wrote:You have got to pick better examples for these sob stories:

"The child in question’s father, Maiker Espinoza-Escalona, is a lieutenant of Tren De Aragua who oversees homicides, drug sales, kidnappings, extortion, sex trafficking and operates a torture house, the agency said.

DHS added that, in addition to the father, the child’s mother, Yorely Escarleth Bernal Inciarte, oversees the recruitment of young women for drug smuggling and prostitution."

Again, these two were locked up under Biden and Biden let everyone in! Biden even went so far as to fly people into the country from Venezuela and these two were still locked up!

Oh, but I'm sure their intentions were heartfelt and good. OP keeps searching for stories in an attempt to justify illegal immigration and trash the US.

1. They were not illegal.
2. I am not trying to justify illegal immigration
3. I am 100% fine with the US government deporting mother, father, and child together to Venezuela.

What I am not okay with:
1. Sending people to a maximum security prison in El Salvador, especially *without due process*
2. Deporting a mother and keeping the baby

How am I unreasonable?

You know there’s another thread here where the baby went with the deported mother, and people are angry about it.

Did you post there and say that’s ok?

I believe that's the one where the child's father is a US citizen and wanted to keep her here.

No, that's the one where the father is also here illegally and refused to come in person to discuss custody because he should be deported too.

The one with the US citizen father is still in the US with him. There are a a couple of threads going on about these cases.