Anyone else have concerns over CS major with controversy over H-1B visas / job saturation?

[Anonymous]

I’m a US citizen who has been in the industry for over 15 years and I can tell you my perspective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a US citizen who has been in the industry for over 15 years and I can tell you my perspective.

The HB program has ruined the job market for Americans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a US citizen who has been in the industry for over 15 years and I can tell you my perspective.

The HB program has ruined the job market for Americans.

There is nothing wrong with American education in computer science. It’s the best in the world.

Look at subreddits on computer science careers and you will see tons of graduates cannot find jobs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a US citizen who has been in the industry for over 15 years and I can tell you my perspective.

The HB program has ruined the job market for Americans.

There is nothing wrong with American education in computer science. It’s the best in the world.

Look at subreddits on computer science careers and you will see tons of graduates cannot find jobs.

We had massive layoffs the last couple of years that we never recovered from.

It’s capitalism - cheaper to hire offshore, even often less competent engineers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a US citizen who has been in the industry for over 15 years and I can tell you my perspective.

And you can say I’m racist or whatever, but it’s a known fact in the industry. Everyone inside KNOWS that Indians only hire other Indians. Most software teams look like a bunch of Indians and one Chinese dude.

So if you kids are not Indian, I hate to tell you, but it will be a fight to get a job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a US citizen who has been in the industry for over 15 years and I can tell you my perspective.

And you can say I’m racist or whatever, but it’s a known fact in the industry. Everyone inside KNOWS that Indians only hire other Indians. Most software teams look like a bunch of Indians and one Chinese dude.

So if you kids are not Indian, I hate to tell you, but it will be a fight to get a job.

So what should kids who are academically competitive and want to major in CS but are white and American do? What other major for kids along the STEM but not biochem lines would be good?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Big argument on twitter the last few days. Elon says there is a CS and engineer shortage so we need more H 1 B. Many people chiming in that their recent tech grad kids can’t get jobs.

The shortage Elon is concerned about is a shortage of experienced high-level folks — not entry-level cs grads.

If you see the reality of H 1 B, it is mostly entry level folks not "experienced high-level folks" - even at Tesla.

+100

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a US citizen who has been in the industry for over 15 years and I can tell you my perspective.

And you can say I’m racist or whatever, but it’s a known fact in the industry. Everyone inside KNOWS that Indians only hire other Indians. Most software teams look like a bunch of Indians and one Chinese dude.

So if you kids are not Indian, I hate to tell you, but it will be a fight to get a job.

So what should kids who are academically competitive and want to major in CS but are white and American do? What other major for kids along the STEM but not biochem lines would be good?

Engineering. Computer engineering. Much harder than a CS degree, but that makes hiring smooth sailing. Can go into a much broader range of careers and pivot back to SWE if that’s your hearts content.

[Anonymous]

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So what should kids who are academically competitive and want to major in CS but are white and American do? What other major for kids along the STEM but not biochem lines would be good?

I don’t know. Just look for areas that are not flooded with H 1 Bs.

As far as I know the majority of them are for computer science so that ship has sailed. But wait until they take over other industries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a US citizen who has been in the industry for over 15 years and I can tell you my perspective.

And you can say I’m racist or whatever, but it’s a known fact in the industry. Everyone inside KNOWS that Indians only hire other Indians. Most software teams look like a bunch of Indians and one Chinese dude.

So if you kids are not Indian, I hate to tell you, but it will be a fight to get a job.

So what should kids who are academically competitive and want to major in CS but are white and American do? What other major for kids along the STEM but not biochem lines would be good?

Engineering. Computer engineering. Much harder than a CS degree, but that makes hiring smooth sailing. Can go into a much broader range of careers and pivot back to SWE if that’s your hearts content.

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DD thinks she dislikes engineering presently.
I have thought about encouraging her to look at economics. This was a good base degree back in the day and I feel like in my job it is always hard to find firms to do good Econ analysis modeling for us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a US citizen who has been in the industry for over 15 years and I can tell you my perspective.

And you can say I’m racist or whatever, but it’s a known fact in the industry. Everyone inside KNOWS that Indians only hire other Indians. Most software teams look like a bunch of Indians and one Chinese dude.

So if you kids are not Indian, I hate to tell you, but it will be a fight to get a job.

So what should kids who are academically competitive and want to major in CS but are white and American do? What other major for kids along the STEM but not biochem lines would be good?

Try to be as smart as that one chinese dude.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a US citizen who has been in the industry for over 15 years and I can tell you my perspective.

And you can say I’m racist or whatever, but it’s a known fact in the industry. Everyone inside KNOWS that Indians only hire other Indians. Most software teams look like a bunch of Indians and one Chinese dude.

So if you kids are not Indian, I hate to tell you, but it will be a fight to get a job.

So what should kids who are academically competitive and want to major in CS but are white and American do? What other major for kids along the STEM but not biochem lines would be good?

Engineering. Computer engineering. Much harder than a CS degree, but that makes hiring smooth sailing. Can go into a much broader range of careers and pivot back to SWE if that’s your hearts content.

🫤
DD thinks she dislikes engineering presently.
I have thought about encouraging her to look at economics. This was a good base degree back in the day and I feel like in my job it is always hard to find firms to do good Econ analysis modeling for us.

She dislikes engineering but wants to go into computer science. Steer her away from CS; she’s going to quickly learn it isn’t a software major and drop it. Econ sounds exactly like the type of major she’s interested in or math.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a US citizen who has been in the industry for over 15 years and I can tell you my perspective.

And you can say I’m racist or whatever, but it’s a known fact in the industry. Everyone inside KNOWS that Indians only hire other Indians. Most software teams look like a bunch of Indians and one Chinese dude.

So if you kids are not Indian, I hate to tell you, but it will be a fight to get a job.

So what should kids who are academically competitive and want to major in CS but are white and American do? What other major for kids along the STEM but not biochem lines would be good?

Try to be as smart as that one chinese dude.

Id love to see how horrifically bad American students would score on the Gaokao English version.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a US citizen who has been in the industry for over 15 years and I can tell you my perspective.

And you can say I’m racist or whatever, but it’s a known fact in the industry. Everyone inside KNOWS that Indians only hire other Indians. Most software teams look like a bunch of Indians and one Chinese dude.

So if you kids are not Indian, I hate to tell you, but it will be a fight to get a job.

So what should kids who are academically competitive and want to major in CS but are white and American do? What other major for kids along the STEM but not biochem lines would be good?

Try to be as smart as that one chinese dude.

That Chinese dude is the one doing all the work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a US citizen who has been in the industry for over 15 years and I can tell you my perspective.

And you can say I’m racist or whatever, but it’s a known fact in the industry. Everyone inside KNOWS that Indians only hire other Indians. Most software teams look like a bunch of Indians and one Chinese dude.

So if you kids are not Indian, I hate to tell you, but it will be a fight to get a job.

So what should kids who are academically competitive and want to major in CS but are white and American do? What other major for kids along the STEM but not biochem lines would be good?

Try to be as smart as that one chinese dude.

That Chinese dude is the one doing all the work.

One of the parents in our neighborhood sends her son to school in China. It’s disconcerting how much more he knows than our children. Even too private high school education is very slow.