Anyone else have concerns over CS major with controversy over H-1B visas / job saturation?

[Anonymous]

My sister was telling me her son is applying to colleges as a CS major. He has received a couple of acceptances for CS and is waiting for some others. He was talking to a friend's brother last week and came home concerned that hiring seems to have slowed down. The brother who is also a CS major essentially said there is an oversaturation of CS majors this year and for the next few graduating classes. Not all the students who graduated CS in May have gotten jobs. I didn't think much of it but now hearing how H-1B visas are potentially being increased, this is adding to the concern.

Will the job market be saturated driving not only salaries but working conditions down?

My son is a 9th grader is interested in STEM so curious if others have thought at all about this.

[Anonymous]

No, if they get a clearance they can never be outsourced.

[Anonymous]

I personally focused on getting jobs that require clearances after seeing the writing on the wall. That was 15 years ago. These days I'm far more concerned about AI. A lot of the grunt work given to new CS graduates is being done by LLMs these days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I personally focused on getting jobs that require clearances after seeing the writing on the wall. That was 15 years ago. These days I'm far more concerned about AI. A lot of the grunt work given to new CS graduates is being done by LLMs these days.

Sorry, DH and I were not STEM majors so I don't understand the last sentence, that is why it is challenging to understand what is happening with H-1B's and job market. What are LLM's?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally focused on getting jobs that require clearances after seeing the writing on the wall. That was 15 years ago. These days I'm far more concerned about AI. A lot of the grunt work given to new CS graduates is being done by LLMs these days.

Sorry, DH and I were not STEM majors so I don't understand the last sentence, that is why it is challenging to understand what is happening with H-1B's and job market. What are LLM's?

think chatgpt

[Anonymous]

The major is oversaturated and recent CS graduates are having a hard time.

I don't think this is a good time to go into Computer Science. AI is a big deal and will be for decades. And CS seems to be very cyclical - like food and tourism. Recessions and rapidly changing technology are going to be difficult for new CS graduates.

I think STEM oriented students would be better off with engineering.

[Anonymous]

Big argument on twitter the last few days. Elon says there is a CS and engineer shortage so we need more H 1 B. Many people chiming in that their recent tech grad kids can’t get jobs.

[Anonymous]

Routine CS majors who basically do software engineering and maintenance will be replaced by AI in the long run.
If they really are theoretical computer scientists, that's viable. But most kids aren't that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Routine CS majors who basically do software engineering and maintenance will be replaced by AI in the long run.

They will be replaced by H 1 Bs first and then the H 1 Bs will be replaced by AI but nevertheless will stay in America.

Somehow this will be described as a huge win for America.

[Anonymous]

AI is already here and taking those entry level jobs and making those with experience more productive. That’s the biggest impact not visas

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My sister was telling me her son is applying to colleges as a CS major. He has received a couple of acceptances for CS and is waiting for some others. He was talking to a friend's brother last week and came home concerned that hiring seems to have slowed down. The brother who is also a CS major essentially said there is an oversaturation of CS majors this year and for the next few graduating classes. Not all the students who graduated CS in May have gotten jobs. I didn't think much of it but now hearing how H-1B visas are potentially being increased, this is adding to the concern.

Will the job market be saturated driving not only salaries but working conditions down?

My son is a 9th grader is interested in STEM so curious if others have thought at all about this.

Come back to DCUM in 3 years.

In the interim have your kid brush up on math and science courses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I personally focused on getting jobs that require clearances after seeing the writing on the wall. That was 15 years ago. These days I'm far more concerned about AI. A lot of the grunt work given to new CS graduates is being done by LLMs these days.

This ^^

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Big argument on twitter the last few days. Elon says there is a CS and engineer shortage so we need more H 1 B. Many people chiming in that their recent tech grad kids can’t get jobs.

The shortage Elon is concerned about is a shortage of experienced high-level folks — not entry-level cs grads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally focused on getting jobs that require clearances after seeing the writing on the wall. That was 15 years ago. These days I'm far more concerned about AI. A lot of the grunt work given to new CS graduates is being done by LLMs these days.

Sorry, DH and I were not STEM majors so I don't understand the last sentence, that is why it is challenging to understand what is happening with H-1B's and job market. What are LLM's?

Language learning models. AI. Artificial intelligence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Big argument on twitter the last few days. Elon says there is a CS and engineer shortage so we need more H 1 B. Many people chiming in that their recent tech grad kids can’t get jobs.

The shortage Elon is concerned about is a shortage of experienced high-level folks — not entry-level cs grads.

How do you get experienced engineers when you replace entry level work with AI?