Anyone else have concerns over CS major with controversy over H-1B visas / job saturation?

[Anonymous]

It's cyclical. I've been in the tech field since the late 90s and went through the dot com bomb.

AI will take over low level coding work, but guess what, AI will take over lots of jobs, not just low level programming jobs. Even law firms are starting to use AI now. Are you going to tell your kids not to become lawyers? AI is being used in medicine. Will you tell your kids to not go into medicine?

AI will be used to make those jobs more efficient, but it won't take over completely. Even if AI can produce low level coding work, someone still needs to check it. So, you may not need as many low level programmers to write the code, but you still need some to QA the work.

When the computer made the typewriter obsolete, the jobs pivoted to people who work on computers rather than fixing typewriters.
When automobile made the horse and buggy obsolete, the jobs pivoted to car mechanics rather than fixing the buggy or horseshoes.
Five years ago, data analytics was in its infancy, and now its a buzz word.

Jobs of the future will change with AI. But, there will still be jobs in the CS world, and of course, someone still needs to monitor and work on the AI.

Low level programming jobs will be much harder to come by, that is true, simply because we won't need as many. But AI will generate new types of jobs in the future.

[Anonymous]

There was just an article about how AI is decimating the creative ranks in advertising.

The article said that top creatives were paid more in the 1980s than they are today…not inflation-adjusted but nominally more 40 years ago.

It’s super cheap and easy for Coca Cola to produce their AI commercials vs actually filing those commercials.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's cyclical. I've been in the tech field since the late 90s and went through the dot com bomb.

AI will take over low level coding work, but guess what, AI will take over lots of jobs, not just low level programming jobs. Even law firms are starting to use AI now. Are you going to tell your kids not to become lawyers? AI is being used in medicine. Will you tell your kids to not go into medicine?

AI will be used to make those jobs more efficient, but it won't take over completely. Even if AI can produce low level coding work, someone still needs to check it. So, you may not need as many low level programmers to write the code, but you still need some to QA the work.

When the computer made the typewriter obsolete, the jobs pivoted to people who work on computers rather than fixing typewriters.
When automobile made the horse and buggy obsolete, the jobs pivoted to car mechanics rather than fixing the buggy or horseshoes.
Five years ago, data analytics was in its infancy, and now its a buzz word.

Jobs of the future will change with AI. But, there will still be jobs in the CS world, and of course, someone still needs to monitor and work on the AI.

Low level programming jobs will be much harder to come by, that is true, simply because we won't need as many. But AI will generate new types of jobs in the future.

this. calm down people. top thinkers will always be needed. CS degrees from universities known for rigorous academics and grads with interdisciplinary education-- good at writing, analyzing, problem solving not just basic coding --will always be in demand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Big argument on twitter the last few days. Elon says there is a CS and engineer shortage so we need more H 1 B. Many people chiming in that their recent tech grad kids can’t get jobs.

The shortage Elon is concerned about is a shortage of experienced high-level folks — not entry-level cs grads.

And how do we create experienced folks again? Oh yeah, by hiring entry level folks and training them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, if they get a clearance they can never be outsourced.

You are not paying attention

Wrong answer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's cyclical. I've been in the tech field since the late 90s and went through the dot com bomb.

AI will take over low level coding work, but guess what, AI will take over lots of jobs, not just low level programming jobs. Even law firms are starting to use AI now. Are you going to tell your kids not to become lawyers? AI is being used in medicine. Will you tell your kids to not go into medicine?

AI will be used to make those jobs more efficient, but it won't take over completely. Even if AI can produce low level coding work, someone still needs to check it. So, you may not need as many low level programmers to write the code, but you still need some to QA the work.

When the computer made the typewriter obsolete, the jobs pivoted to people who work on computers rather than fixing typewriters.
When automobile made the horse and buggy obsolete, the jobs pivoted to car mechanics rather than fixing the buggy or horseshoes.
Five years ago, data analytics was in its infancy, and now its a buzz word.

Jobs of the future will change with AI. But, there will still be jobs in the CS world, and of course, someone still needs to monitor and work on the AI.

Low level programming jobs will be much harder to come by, that is true, simply because we won't need as many. But AI will generate new types of jobs in the future.

this. calm down people. top thinkers will always be needed. CS degrees from universities known for rigorous academics and grads with interdisciplinary education-- good at writing, analyzing, problem solving not just basic coding --will always be in demand.

No no and no
Musk doesn’t pay more nor will he provide benefits

Those jobs will no longer exist

You are a fool to think Musk hires the best he does not. This is my world I know what I am saying. He has Skelton crews only.

CS degrees are dead in the US
They will not pay livable wages .

And Musk is not paying you the federal government is with your tax dollars subsidizing his businesses. Which is going to increase after he is installed

[Anonymous]

This is not like previous history there is no moment in time you can go back and look at and say this is what will happen.

Musk told you already you decided not to listen . He’s going to create a society of slaves. Mr Apartheid. Mr Hitler is not creating jobs for your white males. And your daughters are going to lose everything he will make sure women are living in compounds. He has already started this movement with people in Idaho and VA. DeVos and Youngkin are already in cahoots with him.

Listen when they spew

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's cyclical. I've been in the tech field since the late 90s and went through the dot com bomb.

AI will take over low level coding work, but guess what, AI will take over lots of jobs, not just low level programming jobs. Even law firms are starting to use AI now. Are you going to tell your kids not to become lawyers? AI is being used in medicine. Will you tell your kids to not go into medicine?

AI will be used to make those jobs more efficient, but it won't take over completely. Even if AI can produce low level coding work, someone still needs to check it. So, you may not need as many low level programmers to write the code, but you still need some to QA the work.

When the computer made the typewriter obsolete, the jobs pivoted to people who work on computers rather than fixing typewriters.
When automobile made the horse and buggy obsolete, the jobs pivoted to car mechanics rather than fixing the buggy or horseshoes.
Five years ago, data analytics was in its infancy, and now its a buzz word.

Jobs of the future will change with AI. But, there will still be jobs in the CS world, and of course, someone still needs to monitor and work on the AI.

Low level programming jobs will be much harder to come by, that is true, simply because we won't need as many. But AI will generate new types of jobs in the future.

this. calm down people. top thinkers will always be needed. CS degrees from universities known for rigorous academics and grads with interdisciplinary education-- good at writing, analyzing, problem solving not just basic coding --will always be in demand.

No no and no
Musk doesn’t pay more nor will he provide benefits

Those jobs will no longer exist

You are a fool to think Musk hires the best he does not. This is my world I know what I am saying. He has Skelton crews only.

CS degrees are dead in the US
They will not pay livable wages .

And Musk is not paying you the federal government is with your tax dollars subsidizing his businesses. Which is going to increase after he is installed

? Musk is not the only business owner who hires CS grads. Almost every mid to large size company needs CS people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Big argument on twitter the last few days. Elon says there is a CS and engineer shortage so we need more H 1 B. Many people chiming in that their recent tech grad kids can’t get jobs.

The shortage Elon is concerned about is a shortage of experienced high-level folks — not entry-level cs grads.

Exactly . Cs and all engineering from top schools(ivies , stanford, MIT, hopkins cmu and a couple others) are in high demand: these schools produce highly technically skilled plus able to write and lead, and think on their feet. Cs hiring slowdown is most dramatic outside the elite schools.

Almost everyone across the board struggled with CS recruiting these past two years. I know the parents on this board are obsessed with prestige, but no, MIT grads also struggle to get software jobs. It’s a lot more competitive than it used to be. I just recently graduated from Harvard and quite a few of my CS friends do not have jobs. Entry level is violently competitive.

My 2024 Cornell grad is out earning me (a GS 14) and only works about 6-7 hours most days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally focused on getting jobs that require clearances after seeing the writing on the wall. That was 15 years ago. These days I'm far more concerned about AI. A lot of the grunt work given to new CS graduates is being done by LLMs these days.

Sorry, DH and I were not STEM majors so I don't understand the last sentence, that is why it is challenging to understand what is happening with H-1B's and job market. What are LLM's?

Language learning models. AI. Artificial intelligence.

It’s large language model…smh lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Big argument on twitter the last few days. Elon says there is a CS and engineer shortage so we need more H 1 B. Many people chiming in that their recent tech grad kids can’t get jobs.

The shortage Elon is concerned about is a shortage of experienced high-level folks — not entry-level cs grads.

Exactly . Cs and all engineering from top schools(ivies , stanford, MIT, hopkins cmu and a couple others) are in high demand: these schools produce highly technically skilled plus able to write and lead, and think on their feet. Cs hiring slowdown is most dramatic outside the elite schools.

Almost everyone across the board struggled with CS recruiting these past two years. I know the parents on this board are obsessed with prestige, but no, MIT grads also struggle to get software jobs. It’s a lot more competitive than it used to be. I just recently graduated from Harvard and quite a few of my CS friends do not have jobs. Entry level is violently competitive.

My 2024 Cornell grad is out earning me (a GS 14) and only works about 6-7 hours most days.

That has nothing to do with my comment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Big argument on twitter the last few days. Elon says there is a CS and engineer shortage so we need more H 1 B. Many people chiming in that their recent tech grad kids can’t get jobs.

The shortage Elon is concerned about is a shortage of experienced high-level folks — not entry-level cs grads.

Exactly . Cs and all engineering from top schools(ivies , stanford, MIT, hopkins cmu and a couple others) are in high demand: these schools produce highly technically skilled plus able to write and lead, and think on their feet. Cs hiring slowdown is most dramatic outside the elite schools.

Almost everyone across the board struggled with CS recruiting these past two years. I know the parents on this board are obsessed with prestige, but no, MIT grads also struggle to get software jobs. It’s a lot more competitive than it used to be. I just recently graduated from Harvard and quite a few of my CS friends do not have jobs. Entry level is violently competitive.

Odd choice of words for a Harvard grad.

Why in the world is a recent Harvard grad hanging around and commenting on the DCUM college page? Aren’t you like 22 years old? How depressing…

I volunteer as an advisor for first generation, low income students. Don’t know why a grown adult with an established career and you know KIDS is telling me how to use my free time either.

[Anonymous]

I think those pushing AI as the solution are not in CS and understand the complexity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's cyclical. I've been in the tech field since the late 90s and went through the dot com bomb.

AI will take over low level coding work, but guess what, AI will take over lots of jobs, not just low level programming jobs. Even law firms are starting to use AI now. Are you going to tell your kids not to become lawyers? AI is being used in medicine. Will you tell your kids to not go into medicine?

AI will be used to make those jobs more efficient, but it won't take over completely. Even if AI can produce low level coding work, someone still needs to check it. So, you may not need as many low level programmers to write the code, but you still need some to QA the work.

When the computer made the typewriter obsolete, the jobs pivoted to people who work on computers rather than fixing typewriters.
When automobile made the horse and buggy obsolete, the jobs pivoted to car mechanics rather than fixing the buggy or horseshoes.
Five years ago, data analytics was in its infancy, and now its a buzz word.

Jobs of the future will change with AI. But, there will still be jobs in the CS world, and of course, someone still needs to monitor and work on the AI.

Low level programming jobs will be much harder to come by, that is true, simply because we won't need as many. But AI will generate new types of jobs in the future.

this. calm down people. top thinkers will always be needed. CS degrees from universities known for rigorous academics and grads with interdisciplinary education-- good at writing, analyzing, problem solving not just basic coding --will always be in demand.

No no and no
Musk doesn’t pay more nor will he provide benefits

Those jobs will no longer exist

You are a fool to think Musk hires the best he does not. This is my world I know what I am saying. He has Skelton crews only.

CS degrees are dead in the US
They will not pay livable wages .

And Musk is not paying you the federal government is with your tax dollars subsidizing his businesses. Which is going to increase after he is installed

+1, the goal is to lower wages for entry level workers over anything else. You know what happens to top talent that enters Elon’s companies? They leave after 3 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My sister was telling me her son is applying to colleges as a CS major. He has received a couple of acceptances for CS and is waiting for some others. He was talking to a friend's brother last week and came home concerned that hiring seems to have slowed down. The brother who is also a CS major essentially said there is an oversaturation of CS majors this year and for the next few graduating classes. Not all the students who graduated CS in May have gotten jobs. I didn't think much of it but now hearing how H-1B visas are potentially being increased, this is adding to the concern.

Will the job market be saturated driving not only salaries but working conditions down?

My son is a 9th grader is interested in STEM so curious if others have thought at all about this.

Yes please everyone bail on CS! My CS major will be graduating in 2.5 years and would appreciate less competition for employment.