Differences between NVSL divisions

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Anonymous wrote:I’d love to get out of D1, I can tell you that much. A couple of the teams are toxic to a degree that is hard to believe until you see it.

Agreed. Let the 3 who have parity with each other form D1 and just rotate who swims each other twice. Let the rest of us go down.

I’d be happy with that solution! DR and Highlands are both great teams with strong communities and terrific swimmers but it does get tiring. Tuckahoe already tried to recruit one of our top swimmers 🙄.

How does that work with a 10 year wait list? 😉

It’s the Tuckahoe winter swim loophole.

yes this is it. Tuckahoe uses a loophole where they bump people up on their list if you do winter swim. I don't go to Overlee, but have known the person who runs the list for years and a couple board members and Overlee doesn't have one of these loopholes. They stick to the list though with other teams doing this I think there have been discussions, but for now that is not the practice. It is one reason they haven't been winning in recent years I would suspect. Chesterbrook and Tuckahoe both have ways to get off the list quicker.

I'm sorry to hear there is bad behavior from the "big three" now, I did grow up going to Overlee and had a lot of fun. Happy to be at a more middle Division with my kids though as I didn't want year round swim to be a pre-req for summer fun (and also, the list is 10-11 years!)

I'm curious what these teams are doing? Is the bad behavior stacking their teams to win? I agree that's annoying but is it bad behavior if no rules prohibit this? Couldn't anyone do it? Are they jerks at meets? How? Just kind of curious for specific examples as I've never seen anything specific and I'm in this division (not at a pool with one of the loopholes for membership). The general complaint seems to be they win all the time, so kind of sounds to me mostly like sour grapes.

OKM here. I can’t address anything other than my observations, and Tuckahoe families and swimmers were great sports, kind, and complimenting to us when they came to our pool a few weeks ago.

Also, I don’t think encouraging swimmers to move pools is bad behavior or improper if it is in keeping with the league and pool regulations. We have had many swimmers join OKM over the years because they want to swim with their club team friends (or their school friends). But OKM does not have a wait list or a boundary/HOA restriction.

From the prospective of the swim team, you're correct. From the prospective of the pool- having a large bulk of membership who live nowhere near the pool and only show up for swim team is less than ideal

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I think member would love this. Great swim team and a pool that isn't crowded.

FWI my kids are on swim team and while we live near the pool, they are older now so we are only ever really at the pool for swim stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d love to get out of D1, I can tell you that much. A couple of the teams are toxic to a degree that is hard to believe until you see it.

Agreed. Let the 3 who have parity with each other form D1 and just rotate who swims each other twice. Let the rest of us go down.

I’d be happy with that solution! DR and Highlands are both great teams with strong communities and terrific swimmers but it does get tiring. Tuckahoe already tried to recruit one of our top swimmers 🙄.

How does that work with a 10 year wait list? 😉

It’s the Tuckahoe winter swim loophole.

yes this is it. Tuckahoe uses a loophole where they bump people up on their list if you do winter swim. I don't go to Overlee, but have known the person who runs the list for years and a couple board members and Overlee doesn't have one of these loopholes. They stick to the list though with other teams doing this I think there have been discussions, but for now that is not the practice. It is one reason they haven't been winning in recent years I would suspect. Chesterbrook and Tuckahoe both have ways to get off the list quicker.

I'm sorry to hear there is bad behavior from the "big three" now, I did grow up going to Overlee and had a lot of fun. Happy to be at a more middle Division with my kids though as I didn't want year round swim to be a pre-req for summer fun (and also, the list is 10-11 years!)

I'm curious what these teams are doing? Is the bad behavior stacking their teams to win? I agree that's annoying but is it bad behavior if no rules prohibit this? Couldn't anyone do it? Are they jerks at meets? How? Just kind of curious for specific examples as I've never seen anything specific and I'm in this division (not at a pool with one of the loopholes for membership). The general complaint seems to be they win all the time, so kind of sounds to me mostly like sour grapes.

OKM here. I can’t address anything other than my observations, and Tuckahoe families and swimmers were great sports, kind, and complimenting to us when they came to our pool a few weeks ago.

Also, I don’t think encouraging swimmers to move pools is bad behavior or improper if it is in keeping with the league and pool regulations. We have had many swimmers join OKM over the years because they want to swim with their club team friends (or their school friends). But OKM does not have a wait list or a boundary/HOA restriction.

From the prospective of the swim team, you're correct. From the prospective of the pool- having a large bulk of membership who live nowhere near the pool and only show up for swim team is less than ideal

Why?
I think member would love this. Great swim team and a pool that isn't crowded.

FWI my kids are on swim team and while we live near the pool, they are older now so we are only ever really at the pool for swim stuff.

Some people are looking for a pool to socialize with adult friends and other adults. They want a summer community.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d love to get out of D1, I can tell you that much. A couple of the teams are toxic to a degree that is hard to believe until you see it.

Agreed. Let the 3 who have parity with each other form D1 and just rotate who swims each other twice. Let the rest of us go down.

I’d be happy with that solution! DR and Highlands are both great teams with strong communities and terrific swimmers but it does get tiring. Tuckahoe already tried to recruit one of our top swimmers 🙄.

How does that work with a 10 year wait list? 😉

It’s the Tuckahoe winter swim loophole.

yes this is it. Tuckahoe uses a loophole where they bump people up on their list if you do winter swim. I don't go to Overlee, but have known the person who runs the list for years and a couple board members and Overlee doesn't have one of these loopholes. They stick to the list though with other teams doing this I think there have been discussions, but for now that is not the practice. It is one reason they haven't been winning in recent years I would suspect. Chesterbrook and Tuckahoe both have ways to get off the list quicker.

I'm sorry to hear there is bad behavior from the "big three" now, I did grow up going to Overlee and had a lot of fun. Happy to be at a more middle Division with my kids though as I didn't want year round swim to be a pre-req for summer fun (and also, the list is 10-11 years!)

I'm curious what these teams are doing? Is the bad behavior stacking their teams to win? I agree that's annoying but is it bad behavior if no rules prohibit this? Couldn't anyone do it? Are they jerks at meets? How? Just kind of curious for specific examples as I've never seen anything specific and I'm in this division (not at a pool with one of the loopholes for membership). The general complaint seems to be they win all the time, so kind of sounds to me mostly like sour grapes.

OKM here. I can’t address anything other than my observations, and Tuckahoe families and swimmers were great sports, kind, and complimenting to us when they came to our pool a few weeks ago.

Also, I don’t think encouraging swimmers to move pools is bad behavior or improper if it is in keeping with the league and pool regulations. We have had many swimmers join OKM over the years because they want to swim with their club team friends (or their school friends). But OKM does not have a wait list or a boundary/HOA restriction.

From the prospective of the swim team, you're correct. From the prospective of the pool- having a large bulk of membership who live nowhere near the pool and only show up for swim team is less than ideal

Why?
I think member would love this. Great swim team and a pool that isn't crowded.

FWI my kids are on swim team and while we live near the pool, they are older now so we are only ever really at the pool for swim stuff.

Because you don’t stick around after swim season for concessions, volunteering your time (to the pool, not the swim team), parties, making relationships, spreading the joy of that pool… all of that leads to increased awareness and more memberships.
But you don’t care once you’re done with swim team, you just move on. The neighborhoods want and need a viable community pool.
A closed or even run-down pool is bad for home values.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d love to get out of D1, I can tell you that much. A couple of the teams are toxic to a degree that is hard to believe until you see it.

Agreed. Let the 3 who have parity with each other form D1 and just rotate who swims each other twice. Let the rest of us go down.

I’d be happy with that solution! DR and Highlands are both great teams with strong communities and terrific swimmers but it does get tiring. Tuckahoe already tried to recruit one of our top swimmers 🙄.

How does that work with a 10 year wait list? 😉

It’s the Tuckahoe winter swim loophole.

yes this is it. Tuckahoe uses a loophole where they bump people up on their list if you do winter swim. I don't go to Overlee, but have known the person who runs the list for years and a couple board members and Overlee doesn't have one of these loopholes. They stick to the list though with other teams doing this I think there have been discussions, but for now that is not the practice. It is one reason they haven't been winning in recent years I would suspect. Chesterbrook and Tuckahoe both have ways to get off the list quicker.

I'm sorry to hear there is bad behavior from the "big three" now, I did grow up going to Overlee and had a lot of fun. Happy to be at a more middle Division with my kids though as I didn't want year round swim to be a pre-req for summer fun (and also, the list is 10-11 years!)

I'm curious what these teams are doing? Is the bad behavior stacking their teams to win? I agree that's annoying but is it bad behavior if no rules prohibit this? Couldn't anyone do it? Are they jerks at meets? How? Just kind of curious for specific examples as I've never seen anything specific and I'm in this division (not at a pool with one of the loopholes for membership). The general complaint seems to be they win all the time, so kind of sounds to me mostly like sour grapes.

Curious about this too. We're in D1 and I haven't noticed any bad/jerky behavior at meets or on the parts of swimmers. I'm not privy to what happens behind the curtain as far as NVSL politics, recruiting, waitlists, or otherwise though, so maybe it's things that just aren't as apparent to the naked eye.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d love to get out of D1, I can tell you that much. A couple of the teams are toxic to a degree that is hard to believe until you see it.

Agreed. Let the 3 who have parity with each other form D1 and just rotate who swims each other twice. Let the rest of us go down.

I’d be happy with that solution! DR and Highlands are both great teams with strong communities and terrific swimmers but it does get tiring. Tuckahoe already tried to recruit one of our top swimmers 🙄.

How does that work with a 10 year wait list? 😉

It’s the Tuckahoe winter swim loophole.

yes this is it. Tuckahoe uses a loophole where they bump people up on their list if you do winter swim. I don't go to Overlee, but have known the person who runs the list for years and a couple board members and Overlee doesn't have one of these loopholes. They stick to the list though with other teams doing this I think there have been discussions, but for now that is not the practice. It is one reason they haven't been winning in recent years I would suspect. Chesterbrook and Tuckahoe both have ways to get off the list quicker.

I'm sorry to hear there is bad behavior from the "big three" now, I did grow up going to Overlee and had a lot of fun. Happy to be at a more middle Division with my kids though as I didn't want year round swim to be a pre-req for summer fun (and also, the list is 10-11 years!)

I'm curious what these teams are doing? Is the bad behavior stacking their teams to win? I agree that's annoying but is it bad behavior if no rules prohibit this? Couldn't anyone do it? Are they jerks at meets? How? Just kind of curious for specific examples as I've never seen anything specific and I'm in this division (not at a pool with one of the loopholes for membership). The general complaint seems to be they win all the time, so kind of sounds to me mostly like sour grapes.

Curious about this too. We're in D1 and I haven't noticed any bad/jerky behavior at meets or on the parts of swimmers. I'm not privy to what happens behind the curtain as far as NVSL politics, recruiting, waitlists, or otherwise though, so maybe it's things that just aren't as apparent to the naked eye.

We are in D1 and most of the swimmers & parents are lovely. Some of the teams are quite intense, but I think that’s mainly directed internally within the respective clubs. Given where these pools are located, a fair amount of the kids swim club & go to school together. Rumors of recruiting and poor behavior are vastly over-exaggerated.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d love to get out of D1, I can tell you that much. A couple of the teams are toxic to a degree that is hard to believe until you see it.

Agreed. Let the 3 who have parity with each other form D1 and just rotate who swims each other twice. Let the rest of us go down.

I’d be happy with that solution! DR and Highlands are both great teams with strong communities and terrific swimmers but it does get tiring. Tuckahoe already tried to recruit one of our top swimmers 🙄.

How does that work with a 10 year wait list? 😉

It’s the Tuckahoe winter swim loophole.

yes this is it. Tuckahoe uses a loophole where they bump people up on their list if you do winter swim. I don't go to Overlee, but have known the person who runs the list for years and a couple board members and Overlee doesn't have one of these loopholes. They stick to the list though with other teams doing this I think there have been discussions, but for now that is not the practice. It is one reason they haven't been winning in recent years I would suspect. Chesterbrook and Tuckahoe both have ways to get off the list quicker.

I'm sorry to hear there is bad behavior from the "big three" now, I did grow up going to Overlee and had a lot of fun. Happy to be at a more middle Division with my kids though as I didn't want year round swim to be a pre-req for summer fun (and also, the list is 10-11 years!)

I'm curious what these teams are doing? Is the bad behavior stacking their teams to win? I agree that's annoying but is it bad behavior if no rules prohibit this? Couldn't anyone do it? Are they jerks at meets? How? Just kind of curious for specific examples as I've never seen anything specific and I'm in this division (not at a pool with one of the loopholes for membership). The general complaint seems to be they win all the time, so kind of sounds to me mostly like sour grapes.

Curious about this too. We're in D1 and I haven't noticed any bad/jerky behavior at meets or on the parts of swimmers. I'm not privy to what happens behind the curtain as far as NVSL politics, recruiting, waitlists, or otherwise though, so maybe it's things that just aren't as apparent to the naked eye.

One of the d1 team’s coaches, team reps, and a handful of parents have been problematic enough over the past few years that the div 1 coordinator met with coaches and reps recently to lay down the law. Fortunately the previous d1 coordinator finally retired because she fully enabled this behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d love to get out of D1, I can tell you that much. A couple of the teams are toxic to a degree that is hard to believe until you see it.

Agreed. Let the 3 who have parity with each other form D1 and just rotate who swims each other twice. Let the rest of us go down.

I’d be happy with that solution! DR and Highlands are both great teams with strong communities and terrific swimmers but it does get tiring. Tuckahoe already tried to recruit one of our top swimmers 🙄.

How does that work with a 10 year wait list? 😉

It’s the Tuckahoe winter swim loophole.

yes this is it. Tuckahoe uses a loophole where they bump people up on their list if you do winter swim. I don't go to Overlee, but have known the person who runs the list for years and a couple board members and Overlee doesn't have one of these loopholes. They stick to the list though with other teams doing this I think there have been discussions, but for now that is not the practice. It is one reason they haven't been winning in recent years I would suspect. Chesterbrook and Tuckahoe both have ways to get off the list quicker.

I'm sorry to hear there is bad behavior from the "big three" now, I did grow up going to Overlee and had a lot of fun. Happy to be at a more middle Division with my kids though as I didn't want year round swim to be a pre-req for summer fun (and also, the list is 10-11 years!)

I'm curious what these teams are doing? Is the bad behavior stacking their teams to win? I agree that's annoying but is it bad behavior if no rules prohibit this? Couldn't anyone do it? Are they jerks at meets? How? Just kind of curious for specific examples as I've never seen anything specific and I'm in this division (not at a pool with one of the loopholes for membership). The general complaint seems to be they win all the time, so kind of sounds to me mostly like sour grapes.

Curious about this too. We're in D1 and I haven't noticed any bad/jerky behavior at meets or on the parts of swimmers. I'm not privy to what happens behind the curtain as far as NVSL politics, recruiting, waitlists, or otherwise though, so maybe it's things that just aren't as apparent to the naked eye.

One of the d1 team’s coaches, team reps, and a handful of parents have been problematic enough over the past few years that the div 1 coordinator met with coaches and reps recently to lay down the law. Fortunately the previous d1 coordinator finally retired because she fully enabled this behavior.

Still no specifics. What are they doing? What is problematic? Making scenes at NVSL meetings? Yelling at kids? Other coaches? Give us something.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d love to get out of D1, I can tell you that much. A couple of the teams are toxic to a degree that is hard to believe until you see it.

Agreed. Let the 3 who have parity with each other form D1 and just rotate who swims each other twice. Let the rest of us go down.

I’d be happy with that solution! DR and Highlands are both great teams with strong communities and terrific swimmers but it does get tiring. Tuckahoe already tried to recruit one of our top swimmers 🙄.

How does that work with a 10 year wait list? 😉

It’s the Tuckahoe winter swim loophole.

yes this is it. Tuckahoe uses a loophole where they bump people up on their list if you do winter swim. I don't go to Overlee, but have known the person who runs the list for years and a couple board members and Overlee doesn't have one of these loopholes. They stick to the list though with other teams doing this I think there have been discussions, but for now that is not the practice. It is one reason they haven't been winning in recent years I would suspect. Chesterbrook and Tuckahoe both have ways to get off the list quicker.

I'm sorry to hear there is bad behavior from the "big three" now, I did grow up going to Overlee and had a lot of fun. Happy to be at a more middle Division with my kids though as I didn't want year round swim to be a pre-req for summer fun (and also, the list is 10-11 years!)

I'm curious what these teams are doing? Is the bad behavior stacking their teams to win? I agree that's annoying but is it bad behavior if no rules prohibit this? Couldn't anyone do it? Are they jerks at meets? How? Just kind of curious for specific examples as I've never seen anything specific and I'm in this division (not at a pool with one of the loopholes for membership). The general complaint seems to be they win all the time, so kind of sounds to me mostly like sour grapes.

Curious about this too. We're in D1 and I haven't noticed any bad/jerky behavior at meets or on the parts of swimmers. I'm not privy to what happens behind the curtain as far as NVSL politics, recruiting, waitlists, or otherwise though, so maybe it's things that just aren't as apparent to the naked eye.

One of the d1 team’s coaches, team reps, and a handful of parents have been problematic enough over the past few years that the div 1 coordinator met with coaches and reps recently to lay down the law. Fortunately the previous d1 coordinator finally retired because she fully enabled this behavior.

Is the new coordinator the reason Tuckahoe only got 2 home meets and there a temper tantrum

About time someone stops catering to the entitlement of D1 teams.

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Either say something that happened or seriously just stop. You people are no better than middle schoolers.

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IME, bad behavior in D1 seems to have been overblown by DCUM.

Or maybe it has changed for the better recently - I can’t speak to that.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d love to get out of D1, I can tell you that much. A couple of the teams are toxic to a degree that is hard to believe until you see it.

Agreed. Let the 3 who have parity with each other form D1 and just rotate who swims each other twice. Let the rest of us go down.

I’d be happy with that solution! DR and Highlands are both great teams with strong communities and terrific swimmers but it does get tiring. Tuckahoe already tried to recruit one of our top swimmers 🙄.

How does that work with a 10 year wait list? 😉

It’s the Tuckahoe winter swim loophole.

yes this is it. Tuckahoe uses a loophole where they bump people up on their list if you do winter swim. I don't go to Overlee, but have known the person who runs the list for years and a couple board members and Overlee doesn't have one of these loopholes. They stick to the list though with other teams doing this I think there have been discussions, but for now that is not the practice. It is one reason they haven't been winning in recent years I would suspect. Chesterbrook and Tuckahoe both have ways to get off the list quicker.

I'm sorry to hear there is bad behavior from the "big three" now, I did grow up going to Overlee and had a lot of fun. Happy to be at a more middle Division with my kids though as I didn't want year round swim to be a pre-req for summer fun (and also, the list is 10-11 years!)

I'm curious what these teams are doing? Is the bad behavior stacking their teams to win? I agree that's annoying but is it bad behavior if no rules prohibit this? Couldn't anyone do it? Are they jerks at meets? How? Just kind of curious for specific examples as I've never seen anything specific and I'm in this division (not at a pool with one of the loopholes for membership). The general complaint seems to be they win all the time, so kind of sounds to me mostly like sour grapes.

Curious about this too. We're in D1 and I haven't noticed any bad/jerky behavior at meets or on the parts of swimmers. I'm not privy to what happens behind the curtain as far as NVSL politics, recruiting, waitlists, or otherwise though, so maybe it's things that just aren't as apparent to the naked eye.

One of the d1 team’s coaches, team reps, and a handful of parents have been problematic enough over the past few years that the div 1 coordinator met with coaches and reps recently to lay down the law. Fortunately the previous d1 coordinator finally retired because she fully enabled this behavior.

Is the new coordinator the reason Tuckahoe only got 2 home meets and there a temper tantrum

About time someone stops catering to the entitlement of D1 teams.

There’s one recent example of bad behavior - Tuckahoe’s reps threw a fit about not getting 3 home meets (it wasn’t their turn) and refused to host any division-wide events.

Another is Chesterbrook swimmers talking trash in clerk of course during a B meet (!) against another Div 1 team to the extent that we had to notify their team rep. That culture is coming from somewhere.

I’ve always found Overlee to be lovely, although I note that they struggle to fill their volunteer roles and often have to make pleading announcements.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d love to get out of D1, I can tell you that much. A couple of the teams are toxic to a degree that is hard to believe until you see it.

Agreed. Let the 3 who have parity with each other form D1 and just rotate who swims each other twice. Let the rest of us go down.

I’d be happy with that solution! DR and Highlands are both great teams with strong communities and terrific swimmers but it does get tiring. Tuckahoe already tried to recruit one of our top swimmers 🙄.

How does that work with a 10 year wait list? 😉

It’s the Tuckahoe winter swim loophole.

yes this is it. Tuckahoe uses a loophole where they bump people up on their list if you do winter swim. I don't go to Overlee, but have known the person who runs the list for years and a couple board members and Overlee doesn't have one of these loopholes. They stick to the list though with other teams doing this I think there have been discussions, but for now that is not the practice. It is one reason they haven't been winning in recent years I would suspect. Chesterbrook and Tuckahoe both have ways to get off the list quicker.

I'm sorry to hear there is bad behavior from the "big three" now, I did grow up going to Overlee and had a lot of fun. Happy to be at a more middle Division with my kids though as I didn't want year round swim to be a pre-req for summer fun (and also, the list is 10-11 years!)

I'm curious what these teams are doing? Is the bad behavior stacking their teams to win? I agree that's annoying but is it bad behavior if no rules prohibit this? Couldn't anyone do it? Are they jerks at meets? How? Just kind of curious for specific examples as I've never seen anything specific and I'm in this division (not at a pool with one of the loopholes for membership). The general complaint seems to be they win all the time, so kind of sounds to me mostly like sour grapes.

Curious about this too. We're in D1 and I haven't noticed any bad/jerky behavior at meets or on the parts of swimmers. I'm not privy to what happens behind the curtain as far as NVSL politics, recruiting, waitlists, or otherwise though, so maybe it's things that just aren't as apparent to the naked eye.

One of the d1 team’s coaches, team reps, and a handful of parents have been problematic enough over the past few years that the div 1 coordinator met with coaches and reps recently to lay down the law. Fortunately the previous d1 coordinator finally retired because she fully enabled this behavior.

Is the new coordinator the reason Tuckahoe only got 2 home meets and there a temper tantrum

About time someone stops catering to the entitlement of D1 teams.

Yes, the new coordinator doesn’t play favorites, it appears.

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Anonymous wrote:Either say something that happened or seriously just stop. You people are no better than middle schoolers.

Seriously? A few examples from the past few years: seniors leaving dead fish on cars belonging to families of other teams; kids being allowed to use snorkels and deliberately dq in A meets after getting enough points to win the meet; parents heckling kids from another team in clerk of course; seniors breaking into other pools at night and sh!tting in them. Enough?

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Anonymous wrote:Either say something that happened or seriously just stop. You people are no better than middle schoolers.

Seriously? A few examples from the past few years: seniors leaving dead fish on cars belonging to families of other teams; kids being allowed to use snorkels and deliberately dq in A meets after getting enough points to win the meet; parents heckling kids from another team in clerk of course; seniors breaking into other pools at night and sh!tting in them. Enough?

I happen to be at Overlee and have never seen/heard of any of these and I think the dead fish one would be directed at us. You personally witnessed all of this?

I can say no one has shit in our pool at least.

So to sum up the evidence is dumb teen pranks from at least one team and some jerk parents, which you can find those on the sideline of kindergarten rec soccer across the DMV. And this behavior only exists in D1 you say?

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Teens do stupid things and some adults are giant a-holes. And these three D1 teams have a spotlight on them and everyone loves to hate them and is looking for excuses to hate them. Which means they need to be unimpeachable really. So I agree the coaches and adults need to make that crystal clear and set the standard. But I also think pockets of bad behavior exist everywhere and it's not isolated to this particular group of teams. I'm at a Div 10 pool and we have a parent who is frankly embarrassing the things they say/do.