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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I’d love to get out of D1, I can tell you that much. A couple of the teams are toxic to a degree that is hard to believe until you see it.[/quote]

Agreed. Let the 3 who have parity with each other form D1 and just rotate who swims each other twice. Let the rest of us go down.[/quote]

I’d be happy with that solution! DR and Highlands are both great teams with strong communities and terrific swimmers but it does get tiring. Tuckahoe already tried to recruit one of our top swimmers 🙄.[/quote]

How does that work with a 10 year wait list? 😉 [/quote]

It’s the Tuckahoe winter swim loophole.[/quote]

yes this is it. Tuckahoe uses a loophole where they bump people up on their list if you do winter swim. I don't go to Overlee, but have known the person who runs the list for years and a couple board members and Overlee doesn't have one of these loopholes. They stick to the list though with other teams doing this I think there have been discussions, but for now that is not the practice. It is one reason they haven't been winning in recent years I would suspect. Chesterbrook and Tuckahoe both have ways to get off the list quicker.

I'm sorry to hear there is bad behavior from the "big three" now, I did grow up going to Overlee and had a lot of fun. Happy to be at a more middle Division with my kids though as I didn't want year round swim to be a pre-req for summer fun (and also, the list is 10-11 years!)[/quote]

I'm curious what these teams are doing?  Is the bad behavior stacking their teams to win?  I agree that's annoying but is it bad behavior if no rules prohibit this?  Couldn't anyone do it?  Are they jerks at meets?  How? Just kind of curious for specific examples as I've never seen anything specific and I'm in this division (not at a pool with one of the loopholes for membership).  The general complaint seems to be they win all the time, so kind of sounds to me mostly like sour grapes.[/quote]

Curious about this too.  We're in D1 and I haven't noticed any bad/jerky behavior at meets or on the parts of swimmers.  I'm not privy to what happens behind the curtain as far as NVSL politics, recruiting, waitlists, or otherwise though, so maybe it's things that just aren't as apparent to the naked eye.[/quote]

One of the d1 team’s coaches, team reps, and a handful of parents have been problematic enough over the past few years that the div 1 coordinator met with coaches and reps recently to lay down the law. Fortunately the previous d1 coordinator finally retired because she fully enabled this behavior. [/quote]

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