Differences between NVSL divisions

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone whose kids swims for a lower division team, try to watch your kid swim in relay all stars and you'll notice half of the D1 parents just camping in the stands even though their kids aren't actually swimming

My kid doesn't swim in all star relays but couldn't this because their pool has teams in nearly every relay and they know the kids and are cheering for them? Is the seating so limited everyone is supposed to cycle in and out for every race? I've never been.

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Yes, the seating is limited for individual and all star relays so you are supposed to cycle out so the parents/fans of the next event can cheer but that doesn't end up happening.

This. My pool usually has three or four teams, but the coach is strict that you watch your kid, not the pool's other teams, and leave. Meanwhile, D1 teams have coolers and sections and everyone else has to crowd in an hope there's space to see their own kid

I am on a (non-Big 3) D1 team and I missed my own child’s first relay last year because the O, T, and CB parents would not move from the bleachers and, at Hamlet, there was nowhere else to go once you were in line at the front of the bleachers. RUTHERFORD: Take note and do not let this happen this year.

This happened to me as well. We sent almost 20 relays and yet a parent from one of those teams, when asked to stop blocking people from viewing, literally said to me that she was a D1 parent and therefore deserved to view at the expense of other parents.

I think they should give priority viewing to whichever team provides the most volunteers for the meet. You want priority parking? Provide the most parking volunteers. You want the best viewing? Provide the most marshals.

Our team has three relay teams going and was asked to provide three volunteers. No way the D1 teams are ponying up a proportional number.

D1 has to provide 15. Each team in D1 is responsible for 2-3 a piece.

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Just wanted to mention in case you are going next week and have never been before. While there is seating that is largely occupied by just a few teams. There is also seating available that is run by wonderful volunteers and it is specific to whatever event is about to run and then it empties out before the next event. So if your 9&10 girl is swimming - the people will cue up during the event prior in a group - once the boys are done swimming all three heats - the bleachers will empty in this section and fill with parents to watch all 3 heats of the girls in the next event. So look for this section if your swimmer is participating in ASR so you won’t miss seeing them swim next week.

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Anonymous wrote:Just wanted to mention in case you are going next week and have never been before. While there is seating that is largely occupied by just a few teams. There is also seating available that is run by wonderful volunteers and it is specific to whatever event is about to run and then it empties out before the next event. So if your 9&10 girl is swimming - the people will cue up during the event prior in a group - once the boys are done swimming all three heats - the bleachers will empty in this section and fill with parents to watch all 3 heats of the girls in the next event. So look for this section if your swimmer is participating in ASR so you won’t miss seeing them swim next week.

My experience with D1 teams obstructing the view occurred in the single-event viewing you’re describing. They would not empty the bleachers, despite assertive instructions from the person running seating.

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Anonymous wrote:Div 3-4 is the sweet spot. Have 1 kid that wins everything in Div 2 and one that doesn't. Nice thing about div 3-4 is some meets those kids have a chance to place. Parents aren't as intense. Teams are super nice. Div 2 is great but you have to swim year round to place. Good for kids where swim is their primary sport but tough on kids that do other sports.

Our pool is division 4 and I love it. Always have filled lanes and parent volunteers but you can do another sport and then just swim in the summer.

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Chesterbrook is TERRIBLE. Think dark, skulls, mean messaging to the opposing team, etc. Just ask anyone from OKM what they walked into week 1…it was disgusting


Details on this please. Not NVSL so have no idea what happened. TIA

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Anonymous wrote:Just wanted to mention in case you are going next week and have never been before. While there is seating that is largely occupied by just a few teams. There is also seating available that is run by wonderful volunteers and it is specific to whatever event is about to run and then it empties out before the next event. So if your 9&10 girl is swimming - the people will cue up during the event prior in a group - once the boys are done swimming all three heats - the bleachers will empty in this section and fill with parents to watch all 3 heats of the girls in the next event. So look for this section if your swimmer is participating in ASR so you won’t miss seeing them swim next week.

My experience with D1 teams obstructing the view occurred in the single-event viewing you’re describing. They would not empty the bleachers, despite assertive instructions from the person running seating.

This. My daughter has swam in 2 all star relays. I say neither because the bleachers never emptied

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Anonymous wrote:Just wanted to mention in case you are going next week and have never been before. While there is seating that is largely occupied by just a few teams. There is also seating available that is run by wonderful volunteers and it is specific to whatever event is about to run and then it empties out before the next event. So if your 9&10 girl is swimming - the people will cue up during the event prior in a group - once the boys are done swimming all three heats - the bleachers will empty in this section and fill with parents to watch all 3 heats of the girls in the next event. So look for this section if your swimmer is participating in ASR so you won’t miss seeing them swim next week.

My experience with D1 teams obstructing the view occurred in the single-event viewing you’re describing. They would not empty the bleachers, despite assertive instructions from the person running seating.

That was my experience the past two years as well. So unless they are going to be confined to different seating away from the rotating seating, the problem still exists.

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Chesterbrook is TERRIBLE. Think dark, skulls, mean messaging to the opposing team, etc. Just ask anyone from OKM what they walked into week 1…it was disgusting


Details on this please. Not NVSL so have no idea what happened. TIA

I’m OKM and I have no idea what happened either, other than their being generally inhospitable and not putting a single tent up in the visiting team viewing area. We always put tents up so our visitors are not directly in the sun.

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Anonymous wrote:Just wanted to mention in case you are going next week and have never been before. While there is seating that is largely occupied by just a few teams. There is also seating available that is run by wonderful volunteers and it is specific to whatever event is about to run and then it empties out before the next event. So if your 9&10 girl is swimming - the people will cue up during the event prior in a group - once the boys are done swimming all three heats - the bleachers will empty in this section and fill with parents to watch all 3 heats of the girls in the next event. So look for this section if your swimmer is participating in ASR so you won’t miss seeing them swim next week.

My experience with D1 teams obstructing the view occurred in the single-event viewing you’re describing. They would not empty the bleachers, despite assertive instructions from the person running seating.

That was my experience the past two years as well. So unless they are going to be confined to different seating away from the rotating seating, the problem still exists.

NVSL needs to enforce rotation with threats of either DQs or banning team from individual all stars

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Anonymous wrote:

Chesterbrook is TERRIBLE. Think dark, skulls, mean messaging to the opposing team, etc. Just ask anyone from OKM what they walked into week 1…it was disgusting

Details on this please. Not NVSL so have no idea what happened. TIA

I’m OKM and I have no idea what happened either, other than their being generally inhospitable and not putting a single tent up in the visiting team viewing area. We always put tents up so our visitors are not directly in the sun.

I am from another pool and we do not set up tents for visiting spectators and nor do I see other teams doing so. Very nice to do so but definitely not the norm - in fact in 10 years in NVSL have never seen it in Ds 2,3 and 4.

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Anonymous wrote:

Chesterbrook is TERRIBLE. Think dark, skulls, mean messaging to the opposing team, etc. Just ask anyone from OKM what they walked into week 1…it was disgusting

Details on this please. Not NVSL so have no idea what happened. TIA

I’m OKM and I have no idea what happened either, other than their being generally inhospitable and not putting a single tent up in the visiting team viewing area. We always put tents up so our visitors are not directly in the sun.

I am from another pool and we do not set up tents for visiting spectators and nor do I see other teams doing so. Very nice to do so but definitely not the norm - in fact in 10 years in NVSL have never seen it in Ds 2,3 and 4.

This. It's customary for the visiting team to bring their own tent for the team to stand under poolside. Maybe that's what this person means.

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Chesterbrook is TERRIBLE. Think dark, skulls, mean messaging to the opposing team, etc. Just ask anyone from OKM what they walked into week 1…it was disgusting

Details on this please. Not NVSL so have no idea what happened. TIA

I’m OKM and I have no idea what happened either, other than their being generally inhospitable and not putting a single tent up in the visiting team viewing area. We always put tents up so our visitors are not directly in the sun.

I am from another pool and we do not set up tents for visiting spectators and nor do I see other teams doing so. Very nice to do so but definitely not the norm - in fact in 10 years in NVSL have never seen it in Ds 2,3 and 4.

We haven’t seen that over our 15 seasons (Div 12-17).

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We haven’t seen that (setting up tents for visiting teams) over our 15 seasons (Div 12-17).

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Chesterbrook is TERRIBLE. Think dark, skulls, mean messaging to the opposing team, etc. Just ask anyone from OKM what they walked into week 1…it was disgusting

Details on this please. Not NVSL so have no idea what happened. TIA

I’m OKM and I have no idea what happened either, other than their being generally inhospitable and not putting a single tent up in the visiting team viewing area. We always put tents up so our visitors are not directly in the sun.

Not with either team, but that is not common. My kids have been swimming for many years and have moved divisions. I’ve never been to a meet where the other team put up tents for us. We always bring our own. We also don’t put up tents for the other team - they always bring their own. So I wouldn’t consider that inhospitable.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d love to get out of D1, I can tell you that much. A couple of the teams are toxic to a degree that is hard to believe until you see it.

Agreed. Let the 3 who have parity with each other form D1 and just rotate who swims each other twice. Let the rest of us go down.

I’d be happy with that solution! DR and Highlands are both great teams with strong communities and terrific swimmers but it does get tiring. Tuckahoe already tried to recruit one of our top swimmers 🙄.

How does that work with a 10 year wait list? 😉

It’s the Tuckahoe winter swim loophole.

yes this is it. Tuckahoe uses a loophole where they bump people up on their list if you do winter swim. I don't go to Overlee, but have known the person who runs the list for years and a couple board members and Overlee doesn't have one of these loopholes. They stick to the list though with other teams doing this I think there have been discussions, but for now that is not the practice. It is one reason they haven't been winning in recent years I would suspect. Chesterbrook and Tuckahoe both have ways to get off the list quicker.

I'm sorry to hear there is bad behavior from the "big three" now, I did grow up going to Overlee and had a lot of fun. Happy to be at a more middle Division with my kids though as I didn't want year round swim to be a pre-req for summer fun (and also, the list is 10-11 years!)

At a non big 3 D1 pool…..

There is no bad behavior from OLV….just a ton of team spirit which can sometimes be a bit over the top

Tuckahoe can be smug and the slapping of the water obnoxious

Chesterbrook is TERRIBLE. Think dark, skulls, mean messaging to the opposing team, etc. Just ask anyone from OKM what they walked into week 1…it was disgusting

Tuckahoe has them beat in that contest this year and last. Bad enough that the Div 1 coordinator has had to babysit them and an entire contingent of league officials will attend their final regular meet to “encourage decorum.” It’s truly bizarre.