Differences between NVSL divisions

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone whose kids swims for a lower division team, try to watch your kid swim in relay all stars and you'll notice half of the D1 parents just camping in the stands even though their kids aren't actually swimming

My kid doesn't swim in all star relays but couldn't this because their pool has teams in nearly every relay and they know the kids and are cheering for them? Is the seating so limited everyone is supposed to cycle in and out for every race? I've never been.

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Yes, the seating is limited for individual and all star relays so you are supposed to cycle out so the parents/fans of the next event can cheer but that doesn't end up happening.

This. My pool usually has three or four teams, but the coach is strict that you watch your kid, not the pool's other teams, and leave. Meanwhile, D1 teams have coolers and sections and everyone else has to crowd in an hope there's space to see their own kid

I am on a (non-Big 3) D1 team and I missed my own child’s first relay last year because the O, T, and CB parents would not move from the bleachers and, at Hamlet, there was nowhere else to go once you were in line at the front of the bleachers. RUTHERFORD: Take note and do not let this happen this year.

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone whose kids swims for a lower division team, try to watch your kid swim in relay all stars and you'll notice half of the D1 parents just camping in the stands even though their kids aren't actually swimming

My kid doesn't swim in all star relays but couldn't this because their pool has teams in nearly every relay and they know the kids and are cheering for them? Is the seating so limited everyone is supposed to cycle in and out for every race? I've never been.

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Yes, the seating is limited for individual and all star relays so you are supposed to cycle out so the parents/fans of the next event can cheer but that doesn't end up happening.

This. My pool usually has three or four teams, but the coach is strict that you watch your kid, not the pool's other teams, and leave. Meanwhile, D1 teams have coolers and sections and everyone else has to crowd in an hope there's space to see their own kid

I am on a (non-Big 3) D1 team and I missed my own child’s first relay last year because the O, T, and CB parents would not move from the bleachers and, at Hamlet, there was nowhere else to go once you were in line at the front of the bleachers. RUTHERFORD: Take note and do not let this happen this year.

This happened to me as well. We sent almost 20 relays and yet a parent from one of those teams, when asked to stop blocking people from viewing, literally said to me that she was a D1 parent and therefore deserved to view at the expense of other parents.

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone whose kids swims for a lower division team, try to watch your kid swim in relay all stars and you'll notice half of the D1 parents just camping in the stands even though their kids aren't actually swimming

My kid doesn't swim in all star relays but couldn't this because their pool has teams in nearly every relay and they know the kids and are cheering for them? Is the seating so limited everyone is supposed to cycle in and out for every race? I've never been.

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Yes, the seating is limited for individual and all star relays so you are supposed to cycle out so the parents/fans of the next event can cheer but that doesn't end up happening.

This. My pool usually has three or four teams, but the coach is strict that you watch your kid, not the pool's other teams, and leave. Meanwhile, D1 teams have coolers and sections and everyone else has to crowd in an hope there's space to see their own kid

I am on a (non-Big 3) D1 team and I missed my own child’s first relay last year because the O, T, and CB parents would not move from the bleachers and, at Hamlet, there was nowhere else to go once you were in line at the front of the bleachers. RUTHERFORD: Take note and do not let this happen this year.

This happened to me as well. We sent almost 20 relays and yet a parent from one of those teams, when asked to stop blocking people from viewing, literally said to me that she was a D1 parent and therefore deserved to view at the expense of other parents.

Which team?

[Anonymous]

Chesterbrook and Tuckahoe parents got in a fight with parking at attendants when Orange Hunt hosted All-Stars.

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone whose kids swims for a lower division team, try to watch your kid swim in relay all stars and you'll notice half of the D1 parents just camping in the stands even though their kids aren't actually swimming

My kid doesn't swim in all star relays but couldn't this because their pool has teams in nearly every relay and they know the kids and are cheering for them? Is the seating so limited everyone is supposed to cycle in and out for every race? I've never been.

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Yes, the seating is limited for individual and all star relays so you are supposed to cycle out so the parents/fans of the next event can cheer but that doesn't end up happening.

This. My pool usually has three or four teams, but the coach is strict that you watch your kid, not the pool's other teams, and leave. Meanwhile, D1 teams have coolers and sections and everyone else has to crowd in an hope there's space to see their own kid

I am on a (non-Big 3) D1 team and I missed my own child’s first relay last year because the O, T, and CB parents would not move from the bleachers and, at Hamlet, there was nowhere else to go once you were in line at the front of the bleachers. RUTHERFORD: Take note and do not let this happen this year.

This happened to me as well. We sent almost 20 relays and yet a parent from one of those teams, when asked to stop blocking people from viewing, literally said to me that she was a D1 parent and therefore deserved to view at the expense of other parents.

Which team?

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The Orange Hunt parking attendant story is also true from IAS in 2022. They were shocked that they didn’t have closer, reserved parking.

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone whose kids swims for a lower division team, try to watch your kid swim in relay all stars and you'll notice half of the D1 parents just camping in the stands even though their kids aren't actually swimming

My kid doesn't swim in all star relays but couldn't this because their pool has teams in nearly every relay and they know the kids and are cheering for them? Is the seating so limited everyone is supposed to cycle in and out for every race? I've never been.

.

Yes, the seating is limited for individual and all star relays so you are supposed to cycle out so the parents/fans of the next event can cheer but that doesn't end up happening.

This. My pool usually has three or four teams, but the coach is strict that you watch your kid, not the pool's other teams, and leave. Meanwhile, D1 teams have coolers and sections and everyone else has to crowd in an hope there's space to see their own kid

I am on a (non-Big 3) D1 team and I missed my own child’s first relay last year because the O, T, and CB parents would not move from the bleachers and, at Hamlet, there was nowhere else to go once you were in line at the front of the bleachers. RUTHERFORD: Take note and do not let this happen this year.

This happened to me as well. We sent almost 20 relays and yet a parent from one of those teams, when asked to stop blocking people from viewing, literally said to me that she was a D1 parent and therefore deserved to view at the expense of other parents.

Which team?

T
The Orange Hunt parking attendant story is also true from IAS in 2022. They were shocked that they didn’t have closer, reserved parking.

What!!! More details on this please!

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Since we have precedent that some entitled T, CB, and O families have ruined viewing opportunities for other teams’ families, and there is no reason to believe it will change, Rutherford should just give them what they want: a bleacher in the corner of the pool, away from ingress and egress of the other teams, and set up a rotating bleacher seat system for all the rest of us.

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Anonymous wrote:Since we have precedent that some entitled T, CB, and O families have ruined viewing opportunities for other teams’ families, and there is no reason to believe it will change, Rutherford should just give them what they want: a bleacher in the corner of the pool, away from ingress and egress of the other teams, and set up a rotating bleacher seat system for all the rest of us.

Why though? Just validating their narrative that they’re more special /entitled

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Aren’t these meets littered with NVSL officials? They should say/do something about it.

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone whose kids swims for a lower division team, try to watch your kid swim in relay all stars and you'll notice half of the D1 parents just camping in the stands even though their kids aren't actually swimming

My kid doesn't swim in all star relays but couldn't this because their pool has teams in nearly every relay and they know the kids and are cheering for them? Is the seating so limited everyone is supposed to cycle in and out for every race? I've never been.

.

Yes, the seating is limited for individual and all star relays so you are supposed to cycle out so the parents/fans of the next event can cheer but that doesn't end up happening.

This. My pool usually has three or four teams, but the coach is strict that you watch your kid, not the pool's other teams, and leave. Meanwhile, D1 teams have coolers and sections and everyone else has to crowd in an hope there's space to see their own kid

I am on a (non-Big 3) D1 team and I missed my own child’s first relay last year because the O, T, and CB parents would not move from the bleachers and, at Hamlet, there was nowhere else to go once you were in line at the front of the bleachers. RUTHERFORD: Take note and do not let this happen this year.

This happened to me as well. We sent almost 20 relays and yet a parent from one of those teams, when asked to stop blocking people from viewing, literally said to me that she was a D1 parent and therefore deserved to view at the expense of other parents.

Which team?

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The Orange Hunt parking attendant story is also true from IAS in 2022. They were shocked that they didn’t have closer, reserved parking.

I remember that. The police were called.

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Anonymous wrote:Crosspointe doesn't want to go to div 1 either. That'd be horrible

LOL they definitely do. They wanted to go this year with OKM. They'll get it next year

It’s a known fact that both OKM and Crosspointe BOTH lobbied hard to get moved up to D1 for this summer.

Based on scoring so far this summer I think all 6 D1 pools will be the same next year.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d love to get out of D1, I can tell you that much. A couple of the teams are toxic to a degree that is hard to believe until you see it.

Agreed. Let the 3 who have parity with each other form D1 and just rotate who swims each other twice. Let the rest of us go down.

I’d be happy with that solution! DR and Highlands are both great teams with strong communities and terrific swimmers but it does get tiring. Tuckahoe already tried to recruit one of our top swimmers 🙄.

How does that work with a 10 year wait list? 😉

It’s the Tuckahoe winter swim loophole.

yes this is it. Tuckahoe uses a loophole where they bump people up on their list if you do winter swim. I don't go to Overlee, but have known the person who runs the list for years and a couple board members and Overlee doesn't have one of these loopholes. They stick to the list though with other teams doing this I think there have been discussions, but for now that is not the practice. It is one reason they haven't been winning in recent years I would suspect. Chesterbrook and Tuckahoe both have ways to get off the list quicker.

I'm sorry to hear there is bad behavior from the "big three" now, I did grow up going to Overlee and had a lot of fun. Happy to be at a more middle Division with my kids though as I didn't want year round swim to be a pre-req for summer fun (and also, the list is 10-11 years!)

At a non big 3 D1 pool…..

There is no bad behavior from OLV….just a ton of team spirit which can sometimes be a bit over the top

Tuckahoe can be smug and the slapping of the water obnoxious

Chesterbrook is TERRIBLE. Think dark, skulls, mean messaging to the opposing team, etc. Just ask anyone from OKM what they walked into week 1…it was disgusting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone whose kids swims for a lower division team, try to watch your kid swim in relay all stars and you'll notice half of the D1 parents just camping in the stands even though their kids aren't actually swimming

My kid doesn't swim in all star relays but couldn't this because their pool has teams in nearly every relay and they know the kids and are cheering for them? Is the seating so limited everyone is supposed to cycle in and out for every race? I've never been.

.

Yes, the seating is limited for individual and all star relays so you are supposed to cycle out so the parents/fans of the next event can cheer but that doesn't end up happening.

This. My pool usually has three or four teams, but the coach is strict that you watch your kid, not the pool's other teams, and leave. Meanwhile, D1 teams have coolers and sections and everyone else has to crowd in an hope there's space to see their own kid

I am on a (non-Big 3) D1 team and I missed my own child’s first relay last year because the O, T, and CB parents would not move from the bleachers and, at Hamlet, there was nowhere else to go once you were in line at the front of the bleachers. RUTHERFORD: Take note and do not let this happen this year.

This happened to me as well. We sent almost 20 relays and yet a parent from one of those teams, when asked to stop blocking people from viewing, literally said to me that she was a D1 parent and therefore deserved to view at the expense of other parents.

I think they should give priority viewing to whichever team provides the most volunteers for the meet. You want priority parking? Provide the most parking volunteers. You want the best viewing? Provide the most marshals.

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone whose kids swims for a lower division team, try to watch your kid swim in relay all stars and you'll notice half of the D1 parents just camping in the stands even though their kids aren't actually swimming

My kid doesn't swim in all star relays but couldn't this because their pool has teams in nearly every relay and they know the kids and are cheering for them? Is the seating so limited everyone is supposed to cycle in and out for every race? I've never been.

.

Yes, the seating is limited for individual and all star relays so you are supposed to cycle out so the parents/fans of the next event can cheer but that doesn't end up happening.

This. My pool usually has three or four teams, but the coach is strict that you watch your kid, not the pool's other teams, and leave. Meanwhile, D1 teams have coolers and sections and everyone else has to crowd in an hope there's space to see their own kid

I am on a (non-Big 3) D1 team and I missed my own child’s first relay last year because the O, T, and CB parents would not move from the bleachers and, at Hamlet, there was nowhere else to go once you were in line at the front of the bleachers. RUTHERFORD: Take note and do not let this happen this year.

This happened to me as well. We sent almost 20 relays and yet a parent from one of those teams, when asked to stop blocking people from viewing, literally said to me that she was a D1 parent and therefore deserved to view at the expense of other parents.

I think they should give priority viewing to whichever team provides the most volunteers for the meet. You want priority parking? Provide the most parking volunteers. You want the best viewing? Provide the most marshals.

Our team has three relay teams going and was asked to provide three volunteers. No way the D1 teams are ponying up a proportional number.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’d love to get out of D1, I can tell you that much. A couple of the teams are toxic to a degree that is hard to believe until you see it.

Agreed. Let the 3 who have parity with each other form D1 and just rotate who swims each other twice. Let the rest of us go down.

I’d be happy with that solution! DR and Highlands are both great teams with strong communities and terrific swimmers but it does get tiring. Tuckahoe already tried to recruit one of our top swimmers 🙄.

How does that work with a 10 year wait list? 😉

It’s the Tuckahoe winter swim loophole.

yes this is it. Tuckahoe uses a loophole where they bump people up on their list if you do winter swim. I don't go to Overlee, but have known the person who runs the list for years and a couple board members and Overlee doesn't have one of these loopholes. They stick to the list though with other teams doing this I think there have been discussions, but for now that is not the practice. It is one reason they haven't been winning in recent years I would suspect. Chesterbrook and Tuckahoe both have ways to get off the list quicker.

I'm sorry to hear there is bad behavior from the "big three" now, I did grow up going to Overlee and had a lot of fun. Happy to be at a more middle Division with my kids though as I didn't want year round swim to be a pre-req for summer fun (and also, the list is 10-11 years!)

At a non big 3 D1 pool…..

There is no bad behavior from OLV….just a ton of team spirit which can sometimes be a bit over the top

Tuckahoe can be smug and the slapping of the water obnoxious

Chesterbrook is TERRIBLE. Think dark, skulls, mean messaging to the opposing team, etc. Just ask anyone from OKM what they walked into week 1…it was disgusting

On the other hand, I heard that parents walked around the Tuckahoe crowd at OKM welcoming them and thanking them for coming.