Nope, Vincent Gray's Not Arrogant At All

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Individual Wards don't matter all that much. We need to look city wide, because those are the numbers that matter. Has a district-wide poll been conducted?

I agree with you. But no, no city-wide polls have been taken in months. Unless you count the Blade poll, which has Fenty ahead.

The Blade poll was not a city-wide scientific poll. It was an unofficial straw poll of gay and lesbians at the Pride parade.
The only official citywide gay and lesbian straw poll had Gray the winner.
And the citywide Democratic party straw poll had Gray CRUSHING Fenty. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dc/2010/06/gray_bests_fenty_in_dc_democra.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And let's not forget that Fenty has barely broken into his war chest yet. You can expect to see plenty of fire from him come September. This is a young and energetic man you're talking about. He's out knocking on doors every day. If Gray tried to do that -- even for an hour -- he'd probably collapse and be carted off in an ambulance. People love a personal visit from the Mayor. Fenty has been a competitor all his life. At the age of 40, he's competing in triathalons and can run a 6:43 minute mile. Hardly a man prepared to go down without a highly strategic, well-financed, and nasty fight. We are far from the finish line.

You sound like a little kid -- all excited, carrying your signs. You've watched out, and you haven't cried, and you've been good. But you've got high hopes for Santa Claus. And you're going to be very disappointed come Christmas.

Funny, you must not be paying attention. Gray is out canvassing all the time. AND he shows up to every forum, unlike the Mayor. People want to hear where the candidates stand on the issues. But Fenty skips most of those opportunities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He's not. See you in September, chump.

He's not avoiding his opponents? How about this: http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/Fenty-S...ips-More-Debates-98510204.html

Whoops! Don't you hate when facts get in the way of rhetoric?

You're the one having problems assembling facts. It's a tough, busy job being Mayor. Things come up. He has many things to do other than attend every single debate. Really. He's probably a bit bored by it all, and I can't say I blame him.

So the FACT that Fenty has avoided recent major debates without excuse is countered by the UNSUPPORTED STATEMENT that the mayor is simultaneously too busy and too bored to participate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He's not. See you in September, chump.

He's not avoiding his opponents? How about this: http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/Fenty-S...ips-More-Debates-98510204.html

Whoops! Don't you hate when facts get in the way of rhetoric?

You're the one having problems assembling facts. It's a tough, busy job being Mayor. Things come up. He has many things to do other than attend every single debate. Really. He's probably a bit bored by it all, and I can't say I blame him.

Once again, the arrogance of Fenty. "He's a bit bored by it all?" How arrogant is that? These are real citizens that want to hear directly from the candidates. I'm sorry if the Mayor is bored by the notion of directly answering questions so that people can compare the candidates. But, frankly, people expect it.

[Anonymous]

From what I saw, one of the major LGBTQ groups (I forget the name) gave their endorsement to Gray, which required a significant majority of their constituent group. I don't know how representative that is of the LGBTQ community at large or of the population in general, but it is worth noting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Individual Wards don't matter all that much. We need to look city wide, because those are the numbers that matter. Has a district-wide poll been conducted?

I agree with you. But no, no city-wide polls have been taken in months. Unless you count the Blade poll, which has Fenty ahead.

The Blade poll was not a city-wide scientific poll. It was an unofficial straw poll of gay and lesbians at the Pride parade.
The only official citywide gay and lesbian straw poll had Gray the winner.
And the citywide Democratic party straw poll had Gray CRUSHING Fenty. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dc/2010/06/gray_bests_fenty_in_dc_democra.html

It was not a straw poll of gays. You're showing prejudice here, simply because the polling was done by gays and reported in a gay publication. It was actually an unscientific city-wide poll. Read it again. I admit it's far from conclusive, but it's the most recent city-wide poll we've got. Read the piece again. Get the facts right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From what I saw, one of the major LGBTQ groups (I forget the name) gave their endorsement to Gray, which required a significant majority of their constituent group. I don't know how representative that is of the LGBTQ community at large or of the population in general, but it is worth noting.

It is true that Gray got that endorsement. But again, people are assuming that just because some gays conducted a poll, that poll was limited to gays. That is bigotry. The fact of the matter is that some gay people conducted a city-wide poll and published it in a gay newspaper. That doesn't make it a "gay poll", and it is bigoted to state so. Read the piece.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Individual Wards don't matter all that much. We need to look city wide, because those are the numbers that matter. Has a district-wide poll been conducted?

I agree with you. But no, no city-wide polls have been taken in months. Unless you count the Blade poll, which has Fenty ahead.

The Blade poll was not a city-wide scientific poll. It was an unofficial straw poll of gay and lesbians at the Pride parade.
The only official citywide gay and lesbian straw poll had Gray the winner.
And the citywide Democratic party straw poll had Gray CRUSHING Fenty. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dc/2010/06/gray_bests_fenty_in_dc_democra.html

It was not a straw poll of gays. You're showing prejudice here, simply because the polling was done by gays and reported in a gay publication. It was actually an unscientific city-wide poll. Read it again. I admit it's far from conclusive, but it's the most recent city-wide poll we've got. Read the piece again. Get the facts right.

Again, you're wrong. The most recent official citywide straw poll was the DC Democratic Committee, where Gray won over 70% of the vote. You've still not commented on that one.

[Anonymous]

22:34: Again, that's quite a wish list. You are seeing the situation as you'd like it to be. It is much better to see the situation as it actually is. Here it is:

Ward 1: Fenty wins
Ward 2: Fenty wins
Ward 3: Fenty wins
Ward 4: Huge battleground which could determine the outcome. No poll shows either candidate with a lead.
Ward 5: Gray wins
Ward 6: Another battleground, with no poll showing either candidate in the lead.
Ward 7: Gray probably wins; he lives there.
Ward 8: Toss up. Fenty won that straw poll, but I don't think it means much. I cited it to counter another poster's insistence that Gray has won every poll ever taken anywhere. But that go-go dancing is truly doing Fenty some good with African Americans, and could well cut into the win I predict for Gray in Ward 7.

And at the end of the day, it's a popular vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From what I saw, one of the major LGBTQ groups (I forget the name) gave their endorsement to Gray, which required a significant majority of their constituent group. I don't know how representative that is of the LGBTQ community at large or of the population in general, but it is worth noting.

It is true that Gray got that endorsement. But again, people are assuming that just because some gays conducted a poll, that poll was limited to gays. That is bigotry. The fact of the matter is that some gay people conducted a city-wide poll and published it in a gay newspaper. That doesn't make it a "gay poll", and it is bigoted to state so. Read the piece.

I read an article in the Blade and it seemed to imply that the poll was conducted amongst members of the group, which it implied to be all LGBTQ folks. I could be wrong, though. Do you have a link?

Also, I didn't characterize it as a "gay poll". I'm not even sure what "gay poll" is or why it would matter if it was all LGBTQ folks or not. If it was, than all it tells us is what that group thinks, which I noted can't be generalized to LGBTQ folks as a whole or the city as a whole, just what one group of people thought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:22:34: Again, that's quite a wish list. You are seeing the situation as you'd like it to be. It is much better to see the situation as it actually is. Here it is:

Ward 1: Fenty wins
Ward 2: Fenty wins
Ward 3: Fenty wins
Ward 4: Huge battleground which could determine the outcome. No poll shows either candidate with a lead.
Ward 5: Gray wins
Ward 6: Another battleground, with no poll showing either candidate in the lead.
Ward 7: Gray probably wins; he lives there.
Ward 8: Toss up. Fenty won that straw poll, but I don't think it means much. I cited it to counter another poster's insistence that Gray has won every poll ever taken anywhere. But that go-go dancing is truly doing Fenty some good with African Americans, and could well cut into the win I predict for Gray in Ward 7.

And at the end of the day, it's a popular vote.

Saying Ward 8 is a toss up is clearly part of your wish list.
Not going to happen.
Gray still has won every single scientific city-wide poll taken, and the only official city-wide straw poll so far. I think he ends up winning.

[Anonymous]

22:52: FACT: The Democratic city wide poll that you cite occured on or about June 12.
Check the date on which it was reported. FACT: The Washington Blade city-wide poll occured on or about July 8. Check the date on which it was reported.

Now do the math. Which one is more recent?

You're free to argue that one is more valid. But please stop saying that the one you like is more recent, because it isn't. And please stop saying that the poll you don't like was conducted by a bunch of homosexuals and limited to a bunch of homosexuals, because it wasn't. Gays are just as capable of conducting city-wide polls as any other group of people. And they did.

And you know what? None of these polls are particularly scientific.

But the PP who contends that every single poll has Gray ahead is simply wrong, and that has been my overall point. When I showed her some recent Ward polls she didn't like, she tried to limit the debate to city-wide polls. Then she tried to take the most recent city-wide poll and cast it as a poll performed by gays and about gays. Then she blindly insisted that the city-wide poll she likes was more recent than the one she doesn't like.

Is she here to debate the facts, or distort them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:22:34: Again, that's quite a wish list. You are seeing the situation as you'd like it to be. It is much better to see the situation as it actually is. Here it is:

Ward 1: Fenty wins
Ward 2: Fenty wins
Ward 3: Fenty wins
Ward 4: Huge battleground which could determine the outcome. No poll shows either candidate with a lead.
Ward 5: Gray wins
Ward 6: Another battleground, with no poll showing either candidate in the lead.
Ward 7: Gray probably wins; he lives there.
Ward 8: Toss up. Fenty won that straw poll, but I don't think it means much. I cited it to counter another poster's insistence that Gray has won every poll ever taken anywhere. But that go-go dancing is truly doing Fenty some good with African Americans, and could well cut into the win I predict for Gray in Ward 7.

And at the end of the day, it's a popular vote.

Like I said, none of these polls are scientific. If you think they are, you're a fool. At best, these polls are indicators.

And you really are discounting the impact that Molten's support for Fenty is going to have on African Americans.

Saying Ward 8 is a toss up is clearly part of your wish list.
Not going to happen.
Gray still has won every single scientific city-wide poll taken, and the only official city-wide straw poll so far. I think he ends up winning.

[Anonymous]

http://dcist.com/2010/06/dc_democratic_party_straw_poll_gray.php

Now, obviously, a straw poll is far from the final word. And there is still a lot of time for things to change. But it's hard to deny that Gray is in a very strong position when he holds a 4:1 lead over Fenty.

[Anonymous]

Actually, I was the person who asked about the city-wide polls, not the person involved in the debate. My intent was not to undermine the findings of any single poll, only to indicate that the city-wide data is what would be most telling. Perhaps the person in the debate also did so, but I just wanted to clarify that.