American Intelligence..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think American Intelligence did not know what Hamas was ready to do??

Of course they did, but they will claim “unbelievable chatter”. I’m of the mindset that they withheld information from Netanyahu so that it would look like he was to blame for this. Yes, they hate him THAT much.

Taliban was selling our weapons left in Afghanistan on the black market almost immediately after our withdrawal.

Reminder... the majority of "our" weapons left in Afghanistan weren't ours - they had been transferred over to Afghan National Army and Afghan Police over the span of 20 years, including by Trump. And more recently it's coming to light that Russian PMCs - Wagner and Redut were training and equipping Hamas, including with Western weapons captured on the Ukraine front. A lot of this is being done deliberately to provide propaganda points to try and discredit the West.

Add to it some Ukrainian corruption that allowed for selling weapons to whoever was ready to buy

And add some of Israel corruption from Netanyahu. Was he found guilty or just indicted can’t remember but he does want to remove some judges.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well maybe Bibi knew what he was doing?

For years, [/b]Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

[b]]Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.

Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm.

Toward the end of Netanyahu’s fifth government in 2021, approximately 2,000-3,000 work permits were issued to Gazans. This number climbed to 5,000 and, during the Bennett-Lapid government, rose sharply to 10,000.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

This is shocking. Talk about intelligence failure. This was just dumb.

There was no intelligence failure. Netanyahu knew exactly what was coming, both from internal and external sources.

Do you think he needed an excuse to solve the “Palestinian problem” once and for all?

The Palestinians problem keeps him in power. His thinking was make the little terrorist group Hamas control Gaza. They can’t run a government and we can easily control them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think American Intelligence did not know what Hamas was ready to do??

Robert Malley (American govt) leaked info to Iran.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:American intelligence is terrible

How do I know?

I was offered a job at cia! And it was not my top choice — I got dinged at every trading job

You aren’t getting Jane street/pdt/citadel level people who join the IC!

So glad you’re not working there. I can’t even understand what you’re saying.

[Anonymous]

First, the Washington Post’s Noga Tarnopolsky and Shira Rubin wrote a lengthy dispatch on the many policy failures that allowed Hamas to break through. They find that, in addition to myriad unforgivable intelligence and military mistakes — especially shocking given Israel’s reputation in both fields — there were serious political problems. Distracted by both the fight to seize control over Israel’s judiciary and their effort to deepen Israeli occupation of the West Bank, Netanyahu and his cabinet allowed military readiness to degrade and left outposts on the Gaza border in the south unmanned.

There was a need for more soldiers, so where did they take them from? From the Gaza border, where they thought it was calm ... not surprising that Hamas and Islamic Jihad noticed the low staffing at the border,” Aharon Zeevi Farkash, the former head of the Israel Defense Forces’ military intelligence, said in comments reported by the Post.

https://www.vox.com/23910085/netanyahu-israel-right-hamas-gaza-war-history

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well maybe Bibi knew what he was doing?

For years, [/b]Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

[b]]Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.

Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm.

Toward the end of Netanyahu’s fifth government in 2021, approximately 2,000-3,000 work permits were issued to Gazans. This number climbed to 5,000 and, during the Bennett-Lapid government, rose sharply to 10,000.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

This is shocking. Talk about intelligence failure. This was just dumb.

There was no intelligence failure. Netanyahu knew exactly what was coming, both from internal and external sources.

Do you think he needed an excuse to solve the “Palestinian problem” once and for all?

The Palestinians problem keeps him in power. His thinking was make the little terrorist group Hamas control Gaza. They can’t run a government and we can easily control them.

People say you can’t just go into Gaza because you’ll kill all sorts of civilians and innocent people living in awful conditions.

So what? What good do the Palestinians bring to the region? Why not wipe them out in Gaza AND the West Bank? Yes the 2.7m in Gaza and however many in the West Bank.

It would have been nice if the Biden Administration and the Democrats actually did their job and protected Israel. They failed. The Democrat Party betrayed Netanyahu. So innocents were slaughtered.

Trump 2024.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well maybe Bibi knew what he was doing?

For years, [/b]Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

[b]]Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.

Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm.

Toward the end of Netanyahu’s fifth government in 2021, approximately 2,000-3,000 work permits were issued to Gazans. This number climbed to 5,000 and, during the Bennett-Lapid government, rose sharply to 10,000.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

This is shocking. Talk about intelligence failure. This was just dumb.

There was no intelligence failure. Netanyahu knew exactly what was coming, both from internal and external sources.

Do you think he needed an excuse to solve the “Palestinian problem” once and for all?

The Palestinians problem keeps him in power. His thinking was make the little terrorist group Hamas control Gaza. They can’t run a government and we can easily control them.

People say you can’t just go into Gaza because you’ll kill all sorts of civilians and innocent people living in awful conditions.

So what? What good do the Palestinians bring to the region? Why not wipe them out in Gaza AND the West Bank? Yes the 2.7m in Gaza and however many in the West Bank.

It would have been nice if the Biden Administration and the Democrats actually did their job and protected Israel. They failed. The Democrat Party betrayed Netanyahu. So innocents were slaughtered.

Trump 2024.

Wow

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think American Intelligence did not know what Hamas was ready to do??

You people watch too much TV.

No. Hamas is not a priority for US intelligence. Why would the US spy inside Israel or spaces controlled by Israel? All we ever hear is Israel has the best intelligence services in the world. Contrary to what is put out in the media Israel and the US are not close allies. There is a lot of mistrust on the US side that Israel “intelligence” is selective and used to manipulate US(ie attack Iran, attack Iran, attack Iran). While the Israelis have contempt for anything US specially intelligence in their backyard and one of their main priorities.

The Egyptians gave warning which were given low priority, ignored, looked in to but found not credible and/or stopped at the desk of a political appointee(pick any two). We will never know. Israel intelligence failed completely but the blame will be put someplace politically expedient.

You are not from the U.S.
People from the U.S. do not leave the periods out of U.S.; we just don't do that, but I see a lot of people from other countries do that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think American Intelligence did not know what Hamas was ready to do??

You people watch too much TV.

No. Hamas is not a priority for US intelligence. Why would the US spy inside Israel or spaces controlled by Israel? All we ever hear is Israel has the best intelligence services in the world. Contrary to what is put out in the media Israel and the US are not close allies. There is a lot of mistrust on the US side that Israel “intelligence” is selective and used to manipulate US(ie attack Iran, attack Iran, attack Iran). While the Israelis have contempt for anything US specially intelligence in their backyard and one of their main priorities.

The Egyptians gave warning which were given low priority, ignored, looked in to but found not credible and/or stopped at the desk of a political appointee(pick any two). We will never know. Israel intelligence failed completely but the blame will be put someplace politically expedient.

You are not from the U.S.
People from the U.S. do not leave the periods out of U.S.; we just don't do that, but I see a lot of people from other countries do that

Lol sure dude! Do you work for the Mossad or Shin Bet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well maybe Bibi knew what he was doing?

For years, [/b]Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

[b]]Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.

Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm.

Toward the end of Netanyahu’s fifth government in 2021, approximately 2,000-3,000 work permits were issued to Gazans. This number climbed to 5,000 and, during the Bennett-Lapid government, rose sharply to 10,000.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

This is shocking. Talk about intelligence failure. This was just dumb.

There was no intelligence failure. Netanyahu knew exactly what was coming, both from internal and external sources.

Do you think he needed an excuse to solve the “Palestinian problem” once and for all?

His main goal is Iran and after many years of interference, threats and cajoling he managed to draw the US back into the fold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think American Intelligence did not know what Hamas was ready to do??

You people watch too much TV.

No. Hamas is not a priority for US intelligence. Why would the US spy inside Israel or spaces controlled by Israel? All we ever hear is Israel has the best intelligence services in the world. Contrary to what is put out in the media Israel and the US are not close allies. There is a lot of mistrust on the US side that Israel “intelligence” is selective and used to manipulate US(ie attack Iran, attack Iran, attack Iran). While the Israelis have contempt for anything US specially intelligence in their backyard and one of their main priorities.

The Egyptians gave warning which were given low priority, ignored, looked in to but found not credible and/or stopped at the desk of a political appointee(pick any two). We will never know. Israel intelligence failed completely but the blame will be put someplace politically expedient.

You are not from the U.S.
People from the U.S. do not leave the periods out of U.S.; we just don't do that, but I see a lot of people from other countries do that

That's not true at all. AP stylebook says U.S. MLA and Chicago manuals of style use US So even in formal written American English, US is acceptable.

For example:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-10-10/israel-s-massive-failure-perplexes-ex-us-intelligence-officials
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/10/politics/us-intelligence-search-evidence-iran-direct-role-hamas-attack-israel/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well maybe Bibi knew what he was doing?

For years, [/b]Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

[b]]Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.

Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm.

Toward the end of Netanyahu’s fifth government in 2021, approximately 2,000-3,000 work permits were issued to Gazans. This number climbed to 5,000 and, during the Bennett-Lapid government, rose sharply to 10,000.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

This is shocking. Talk about intelligence failure. This was just dumb.

There was no intelligence failure. Netanyahu knew exactly what was coming, both from internal and external sources.

Do you think he needed an excuse to solve the “Palestinian problem” once and for all?

The Palestinians problem keeps him in power. His thinking was make the little terrorist group Hamas control Gaza. They can’t run a government and we can easily control them.

People say you can’t just go into Gaza because you’ll kill all sorts of civilians and innocent people living in awful conditions.

So what? What good do the Palestinians bring to the region? Why not wipe them out in Gaza AND the West Bank? Yes the 2.7m in Gaza and however many in the West Bank.

It would have been nice if the Biden Administration and the Democrats actually did their job and protected Israel. They failed. The Democrat Party betrayed Netanyahu. So innocents were slaughtered.

Trump 2024.

Trump was a failure. Trump 2.0 would be a disaster in similar scale as Netanyahu.

[Anonymous]

Intelligence is hard work and you need human sources.
Those assets take years to develop.
So, when assets all over the globe started disappearing a couple of years ago, it hurt everyone’s ability to collect intelligence.
Israeli leadership failed their people, but we’ll likely never know how hobbled global intelligence has become since those assets have been lost.
This is all down stream of the Trump administration, and how classified material was handled. It will take a generation to recover. It will take decades for foreign agents to trust us again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Intelligence is hard work and you need human sources.
Those assets take years to develop.
So, when assets all over the globe started disappearing a couple of years ago, it hurt everyone’s ability to collect intelligence.
Israeli leadership failed their people, but we’ll likely never know how hobbled global intelligence has become since those assets have been lost.
This is all down stream of the Trump administration, and how classified material was handled. It will take a generation to recover. It will take decades for foreign agents to trust us again.

Israel had multiple, credible warnings from its own sources and regional partners. It chose to not reinforce the borders and do the opposite, move army units out of the area. The only thing Israel’s PM did not calculate was the
extent of the savagery and number of lives that would be lost. Bibi manufactured this war.

[Anonymous]

Netanyahu must go