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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that Israel's border surveillance systems failed so spectacularly is what is shocking. Hamas blew multiple holes through the border wall, disabled the early warning systems, and over-ran multiple entry check points and military outposts. Further, Israel had the border completely under-manned and staffed mostly by reserve soldiers (not the full-time professional soldiers).

Israel was caught completely flat-footed. It's almost incomprehensible.

+1. I still can’t get over what a security failure it was.

GoPro video recovered from some of the Hamas terrorists shows one set of gates to the border wide open. It's clear that they were not blown or forced open. Absolutely incredulous.

Either there are ongoing investigations that no one is talking about, or they were basically allowed free entry to intentionally stir up the pot. If the latter is the case, we may never know.

Here’s the video in question. Looks like a welcome mat was rolled out.

https://imgur.com/a/O2nnbeU

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact that Israel's border surveillance systems failed so spectacularly is what is shocking. Hamas blew multiple holes through the border wall, disabled the early warning systems, and over-ran multiple entry check points and military outposts. Further, Israel had the border completely under-manned and staffed mostly by reserve soldiers (not the full-time professional soldiers).

Israel was caught completely flat-footed. It's almost incomprehensible.

+1. I still can’t get over what a security failure it was.

GoPro video recovered from some of the Hamas terrorists shows one set of gates to the border wide open. It's clear that they were not blown or forced open. Absolutely incredulous.

Either there are ongoing investigations that no one is talking about, or they were basically allowed free entry to intentionally stir up the pot. If the latter is the case, we may never know.

Here’s the video in question. Looks like a welcome mat was rolled out.

https://imgur.com/a/O2nnbeU

There will be an inquiry to show that the terrorist are at fault and Israel needs more resources to battle the threat(of people asking the wrong questions).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the big failures of ME intelligence have come from over-reliance on electronic surveillance and a lack of human sources. This is what happened in Gaza too.

Thinking back to when we lost a big chunk of our human intelligence in Iran because Valerie Plame got outed over shitty and petty GOP political behavior.

The GOP really didn’t get enough criticism for this. It’s one of their top d$ick moves and there’s a lot of competition for that.

I think people here are in denial about how the Russians have infiltrated us. We’ve destroyed intelligence capabilities because our leaders have been bribed, brainwashed and extorted.

The Republicans are openly on Putin’s side. Plenty of Democrats seem to be more quietly on his side.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well maybe Bibi knew what he was doing?

For years, [/b]Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

[b]]Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.

Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm.

Toward the end of Netanyahu’s fifth government in 2021, approximately 2,000-3,000 work permits were issued to Gazans. This number climbed to 5,000 and, during the Bennett-Lapid government, rose sharply to 10,000.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

This is shocking. Talk about intelligence failure. This was just dumb.

There was no intelligence failure. Netanyahu knew exactly what was coming, both from internal and external sources.

Do you think he needed an excuse to solve the “Palestinian problem” once and for all?

The Palestinians problem keeps him in power. His thinking was make the little terrorist group Hamas control Gaza. They can’t run a government and we can easily control them.

People say you can’t just go into Gaza because you’ll kill all sorts of civilians and innocent people living in awful conditions.

So what? What good do the Palestinians bring to the region? Why not wipe them out in Gaza AND the West Bank? Yes the 2.7m in Gaza and however many in the West Bank.

It would have been nice if the Biden Administration and the Democrats actually did their job and protected Israel. They failed. The Democrat Party betrayed Netanyahu. So innocents were slaughtered.

Trump 2024.

Charming.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Intelligence is hard work and you need human sources.
Those assets take years to develop.
So, when assets all over the globe started disappearing a couple of years ago, it hurt everyone’s ability to collect intelligence.
Israeli leadership failed their people, but we’ll likely never know how hobbled global intelligence has become since those assets have been lost.
This is all down stream of the Trump administration, and how classified material was handled. It will take a generation to recover. It will take decades for foreign agents to trust us again.

Israel had multiple, credible warnings from its own sources and regional partners. It chose to not reinforce the borders and do the opposite, move army units out of the area. The only thing Israel’s PM did not calculate was the
extent of the savagery and number of lives that would be lost. Bibi manufactured this war.

Speaking as Jewish person: If this attack happened because Netanyahu was trying to manufacture an excuse to flatten Gaza, feed him to snakes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The other thing is I do not think this was Iran and Russia’s response. They are planning something. Israel military is in shambles. They can not fight a two front war.

We really need Ukraine to hurt the Russian right now. Otherwise Russia and Iran will focus on a weakened Israel.

I hope republicans will come to their senses but I feel they have made a similar deal with Russia as Netanyahu made with Hamas.

So why would the GOP shut down the House and ignore pleas for funding Ukraine?

(a rhetorical question, of course)

Because they have old the door for Putin to come in and take us over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact that Israel's border surveillance systems failed so spectacularly is what is shocking. Hamas blew multiple holes through the border wall, disabled the early warning systems, and over-ran multiple entry check points and military outposts. Further, Israel had the border completely under-manned and staffed mostly by reserve soldiers (not the full-time professional soldiers).

Israel was caught completely flat-footed. It's almost incomprehensible.

+1. I still can’t get over what a security failure it was.

GoPro video recovered from some of the Hamas terrorists shows one set of gates to the border wide open. It's clear that they were not blown or forced open. Absolutely incredulous.

Either there are ongoing investigations that no one is talking about, or they were basically allowed free entry to intentionally stir up the pot. If the latter is the case, we may never know.

Here’s the video in question. Looks like a welcome mat was rolled out.

https://imgur.com/a/O2nnbeU

It's a 16 second video. It could be of follow up forces after the gate was breached. No conclusions can be drawn from that video.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think American Intelligence did not know what Hamas was ready to do??

You people watch too much TV.

No. Hamas is not a priority for US intelligence. Why would the US spy inside Israel or spaces controlled by Israel? All we ever hear is Israel has the best intelligence services in the world. Contrary to what is put out in the media Israel and the US are not close allies. There is a lot of mistrust on the US side that Israel “intelligence” is selective and used to manipulate US(ie attack Iran, attack Iran, attack Iran). While the Israelis have contempt for anything US specially intelligence in their backyard and one of their main priorities.

The Egyptians gave warning which were given low priority, ignored, looked in to but found not credible and/or stopped at the desk of a political appointee(pick any two). We will never know. Israel intelligence failed completely but the blame will be put someplace politically expedient.

You are not from the U.S.
People from the U.S. do not leave the periods out of U.S.; we just don't do that, but I see a lot of people from other countries do that

That's not true at all. AP stylebook says U.S. MLA and Chicago manuals of style use US So even in formal written American English, US is acceptable.

For example:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-10-10/israel-s-massive-failure-perplexes-ex-us-intelligence-officials
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/10/politics/us-intelligence-search-evidence-iran-direct-role-hamas-attack-israel/index.html

Only federal government workers put periods after U and S in informal writing. Because they get corrected if they don’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well maybe Bibi knew what he was doing?

For years, [/b]Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

[b]]Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.

Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm.

Toward the end of Netanyahu’s fifth government in 2021, approximately 2,000-3,000 work permits were issued to Gazans. This number climbed to 5,000 and, during the Bennett-Lapid government, rose sharply to 10,000.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

This is shocking. Talk about intelligence failure. This was just dumb.

There was no intelligence failure. Netanyahu knew exactly what was coming, both from internal and external sources.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well maybe Bibi knew what he was doing?

For years, [/b]Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

[b]]Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.

Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm.

Toward the end of Netanyahu’s fifth government in 2021, approximately 2,000-3,000 work permits were issued to Gazans. This number climbed to 5,000 and, during the Bennett-Lapid government, rose sharply to 10,000.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

This is shocking. Talk about intelligence failure. This was just dumb.

There was no intelligence failure. Netanyahu knew exactly what was coming, both from internal and external sources.

Do you think he needed an excuse to solve the “Palestinian problem” once and for all?

You mean “ethnic cleansing?” Yes, definitely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The overconfidence in the high tech wall,
plus the belief that Hanas had no will to fight,
Combined with an emphasis on settling West Bank and the troops needed to do that.

Three miscalculations

And something you are forgetting is that Palestinians have nothing to lose. Their land was taken away from them, their dignity, their freedom. Gaza is an open-air prison. They saw an opportunity to fight back and they took it (sadly with many civilian casualties on both sides-just like in most wars).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of the big failures of ME intelligence have come from over-reliance on electronic surveillance and a lack of human sources. This is what happened in Gaza too.

Thinking back to when we lost a big chunk of our human intelligence in Iran because Valerie Plame got outed over shitty and petty GOP political behavior.

The GOP really didn’t get enough criticism for this. It’s one of their top d$ick moves and there’s a lot of competition for that.

I think people here are in denial about how the Russians have infiltrated us. We’ve destroyed intelligence capabilities because our leaders have been bribed, brainwashed and extorted.

The Republicans are openly on Putin’s side. Plenty of Democrats seem to be more quietly on his side.

Listen, Ricky, if you’re going to BoThSiDeS that claim, you’re going to need to supply citations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Intelligence is hard work and you need human sources.
Those assets take years to develop.
So, when assets all over the globe started disappearing a couple of years ago, it hurt everyone’s ability to collect intelligence.
Israeli leadership failed their people, but we’ll likely never know how hobbled global intelligence has become since those assets have been lost.
This is all down stream of the Trump administration, and how classified material was handled. It will take a generation to recover. It will take decades for foreign agents to trust us again.

Israel had multiple, credible warnings from its own sources and regional partners. It chose to not reinforce the borders and do the opposite, move army units out of the area. The only thing Israel’s PM did not calculate was the
extent of the savagery and number of lives that would be lost. Bibi manufactured this war.

Speaking as Jewish person: If this attack happened because Netanyahu was trying to manufacture an excuse to flatten Gaza, feed him to snakes.

It looks like that is the case. And it’s beyond disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think American Intelligence did not know what Hamas was ready to do??

Of course, they knew. Americans have been funding Hamas directly and indirectly for many years. This government is very interested in this conflict.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think American Intelligence did not know what Hamas was ready to do??

Israel is not the United States. Our intelligence should be dedicated to our own protection not some far flung land that most jews have never stepped foot in and have no intention to do so.

Our intelligence have not screen all the Palestinians who crossed the Mexican border in the last two years, what are you blubbing about? Look at the protesters in Chicago, LA, New York - no one can identify a half of those protesters.