Next up: Russell Brand allegedly raped 5 women

[Anonymous]

He’s said that he’s a sex addict, so I’m not surprised.

He is also nit funny.

[Anonymous]

Is there a link to back up 5 rapes?

I just skimmed two articles: one was a reporter/author he dated and dumped when he met Kate Moss. She does not allege rape…just that he dumped her. One was another girl he dated after meeting in AA. Consensual dating/sex followed by what sounds like a crossed line but she clearly says he stopped and she was not raped.

So are there stories about rape or are these two part of the five?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bombshell joint reporting between Sunday Times, The Times, and Channel 4 (UK publications).

Five women independently accuse Brand of rape and sexual assault. One was a 16 year-old at the time Brand was 31. When the girl’s mother tried to intervene and express concern, Brand sexually assaulted the mother in front of the girl.

I guess we now know why Brand tacked to the rightwing.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russell-brand-rape-sexual-assault-abuse-allegations-investigation-v5hxdlmb6

OMG! I'm stunned. But actually, it makes sense (haven't read the other replies in this thread yet, I had to react immediately after reading the OP) because he was starting to sound pretty right-wing at one point.

Sad because once I thought he seemed like a very spiritual man - he'd talk about Tantra and conscious relating between the masculine and the feminine. Probably all of the guys who talk like that are spiritual frauds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:—He is a pig.
—He was promiscuous.
—You nor I know who is telling truth. We weren’t there. It is naive to just say “the woman is always telling the truth.”
—He could have done it
—He could not have done it.
—I do find I concerning that people who slept with celebrities years ago are now alleging rape. With salacious details that may have just been kinky sex. You know that some do these stories are not true. They are for lawsuits. Or attention.
Which category this one false into is anyone’s guess.

No one is saying “the woman is always telling the truth “.
We are saying that women psy a high price for these accusations. If one woman has an accusation it is her word against his. If several women come forward, it starts to be a lot of smoke for no fire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Either his drug-fueled days are catching up with him (meaning he really did assault these women)

or

He’s an easy target for fake allegations because everyone remembers his drug-fueled period.

Equally plausible.

He seems so earthy crunchy goody two shoes now. And he’s always seemed scrawny and weak.

The bolded is the correct answer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who think this is a conspiracy or these women simply regret having slept with him...what are they getting out of it? You think a bunch of unconnected women just woke up one day and decided to go through the trauma of coming forward with this? They're remaining anonymous, they're not seeking fame or a payout.

You sound like a bunch of idiots.

They get famous. They won’t stay anonymous. They want to see how it plays first.

Also, this is coming from 3 media orgs. No one wants to share the media hits. They have decided to seek some “victims” out and have found a few willing to play the game. Yawn.

you suck pp

Don’t worry too much, PP is probably just Russ’s PR.

[Anonymous]

In one case, the victim sought help at a rape crisis center and there’s a medical record, verified by The Times.

[Anonymous]

His face has always creeped me out. Strong danger vibes. Some covers show the book pretty darned well.

[Anonymous]

That Katy Perry is a smart lil whippersnapper.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Surprise, surprise. Comedy attracts complete scumbags.

No, comedy doesn't attract scumbags any more than acting, or bricklaying, or IT.

Now if you'd said, "Surprise, surpise, extensive drug use can fuel rapists," that would have made something like sense.

Oh, IDK. Women comedians have some things to say about this and they’re not positive. The combination of “look at me, Mom!” “I make people laugh” and “I’m a bad, bad boy” that male comics have historically trafficked in is not a great one. High on their own supply, you might say.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who think this is a conspiracy or these women simply regret having slept with him...what are they getting out of it? You think a bunch of unconnected women just woke up one day and decided to go through the trauma of coming forward with this? They're remaining anonymous, they're not seeking fame or a payout.

You sound like a bunch of idiots.

They get famous. They won’t stay anonymous. They want to see how it plays first.

The ignorance and idiocy of this statement. I would say I hope nothing like this ever happens to a woman you love but my guess is she will never exist.

This is how they want you to react.

I am a woman who has been sexually assaulted. It diminishes what happened to me when people cry wolf. When Hollywood starlets who didn’t make it sleep with famous people and then later have regrets? Cry me a river. I was sexually assaulted by a random stranger who cornered me and forced himself on me. It absolutely minimizes what I went through. It makes me feel like my experience is nothing and no one cares, even though it was much worse in reality.

Russell Brand didn’t need to corner a random stranger. That is so unplausible. He slept with a pulse who was receptive, he didn’t need unreceptive partners.

A violent assault by a stranger isn't the only the.only definition of rape. I have never heard a rape survivor play my experience was worse.

I do know many men who have engaged in questionable behavior try to justify their actions by claiming they weren't violent.

Please educate yourself on what rape is.

Regret doesn’t mean rape.

How do you know it's regret?

I could play the same game as you.
You weren't blinded , permanently disfigured or left with HIV so your rape wasn't real enough.

You only had one assailant so your rape wasn't real enough.

You didn't kill your attacker so you didn't resist enough and therefore your rape wasn't real.

Now imagine your attackers friends and fans telling you your rape wasn't real because he's a good guy to them and it must have just been a misunderstanding and you just regret partying to hard or drinking too much or maybe you shouldn't have been walking down the street at that time of day.

And if you still have any doubts about how disgusting by our position has been in this thread.
You can go to hell

[Anonymous]

I also want to note here UK has some pretty stringent laws so if it's too much for you to believe 5 women who came forward about Brand raping them. Believe there's no way this would have been reported without an overwhelming amount of evidence.

So instead of blaming women.

Take this as an opportunity to learn what consent is.
What rape is and no it doesn't have to be violent.
Just because you find someone funny doesn't make them not a rapist.
Teach your children.

Change your ways

RAINN is a good place to start learning

[Anonymous]

At least one of these women did what women are “supposed” to do after being SA’d (records from a rape crisis center, contemporaneous text messages, etc) and people still don’t believe her. Women truly can never win.

[Anonymous]

A worthwhile read for everyone.
But many posters are parents so incredibly important stuff to remind your high schoolers and college students of.

Also the bold is important for our misguided poster who believes it's only rape if the fought back.


https://www.rainn.org/articles/sexual-assault

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/types-of-sexual-violence/what-is-sexual-assault/

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What is sexual assault?

Sexual assault happens when someone touches another person in a sexual manner without their consent. Or when someone makes another person take part in a sexual activity with them without that person's consent. It includes unwanted kissing and sexual touching.



If you are affected by anything you read here, you can talk to us.

Sexual assault refers to many different forms of sexual violence – the phrase we use to describe any sexual activity or act that happened without consent.

Any sexual assault is a serious crime that can have a lasting impact on the victim or survivor. No-one ever deserves or asks for it to happen. 100% of the blame lies with the perpetrator or perpetrators.

You might have heard people talking about sexual assault on TV shows or in the news. However, because it's such a broad term, lots of people aren't sure what it really means.

LANGUAGE

Confused about different terms?

In England and Wales, there are lots of terms (words) that we use to talk about different sexual offences and forms of sexual violence.

But, the most important thing to remember is: if someone has done something sexual to another person without their consent then it's sexual violence. And it's always serious.



How sexual assault is defined in law

The legal definition of sexual assault in England and Wales is when someone intentionally touches another person in a sexual manner, without that person’s consent.

The Sexual Offences Act 2003 says that someone commits sexual assault if all of the following happens:

They intentionally touch another person.

The touching is sexual.

The other person does not consent to the touching.

They do not reasonably believe that the other person consents.

The touching can be with any part of the body or with anything else.

It could include:

Kissing.

Attempted rape.

Touching someone’s breasts or genitals – including through clothing.

Touching any other part of the body for sexual pleasure or in a sexual manner – for example, stroking someone’s thigh or rubbing their back.

Pressing up against another person for sexual pleasure.

Pressuring, manipulating or scaring someone into performing a sexual act on the perpetrator.

Touching someone’s clothing if done for sexual pleasure or in a sexual manner – for example, lifting up someone’s skirt.

However, please know that this is not a full list. Just because something isn’t included here doesn’t mean it isn’t sexual assault.

Causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent

In English and Welsh law, it is also a crime to intentionally ‘cause’ another person to engage in sexual activity without their consent.

This could include:

Making someone masturbate or touch themselves sexually.

Making someone sexually touch or take part in sexual activity with another person – with or without that other person’s consent.

Making someone be sexually touched by another person or having another person carry out sexual activity with them – whether the other person is consenting or not.

As you can see, the person committing the crime of ‘causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent’ here is not touching the victim or victims themselves. But, it is a very serious offence that can carry the same sentence as rape and assault by penetration.

The tactics a perpetrator could use to ‘cause’ someone to engage in sexual activity without their consent include physical force, manipulation and threats (see more examples below under 'What is consent?').

Indecent assault

Sometimes, people use the term ‘indecent assault’ instead of sexual assault.

Before the Sexual Offences Act 2003 came into force in 2004, indecent assault was the legal term used for what is now sexual assault. You might still hear people using the term ‘indecent assault’ when they mean sexual assault.

Related types of sexual violence

There are other forms of sexual violence that also involve the non-consensual touching of another person in a sexual manner. These include:

rape

assault by penetration (where someone penetrates another person’s vagina or anus with an object or a part of the body that’s not a penis, without their consent)

forms of child sexual abuse that involve contact

These are seen as different crimes in English and Welsh law. However, it's common to hear people using the terms 'sexual assault' or just 'assault' to describe any of them.

This might be because someone feels more comfortable saying 'sexual assault' (rather than, for example, 'rape'). Or it might be because they're not familiar with the legal definitions of these terms.    



At Rape Crisis, when we work with victims and survivors of sexual violence, we are led by them. This means we use words that are meaningful to the victim or survivor, not just legal definitions.

What is consent?

Consenting to someone touching you in a sexual manner means agreeing to it by choice and having both the freedom and capacity to make that choice.

It is NOT consent if you or someone else was:

Asleep, unconscious, drunk, drugged or 'on' drugs.

Pressured, manipulated, tricked or scared into saying yes.

Too young or vulnerable to have the freedom and capacity to make that choice.

Consent can be withdrawn at any time, including during sex or a sexual act. Just because someone consented to something before doesn’t mean they consented to it happening again.

If someone’s unsure whether the other person is giving their consent for something sexual, they should always check with them.

Does sexual assault have to involve force?

It’s a really common myth about sexual assault, rape and other kinds of sexual violence and abuse that they have to involve physical force or leave the person with visible injuries. But that isn’t true.

There are many other ‘tactics’ that someone might use to sexually assault someone. For example:

pressure

manipulation

bullying

intimidation

threats

deception

drugs or alcohol

BUT, none of these have to have happened for it to still be sexual assault.

Many people find themselves unable to speak or move when faced with a scary, shocking or dangerous situation. If that happened, it does not mean the person gave their consent.

And if there’s no consent then it is always sexual assault.

[Anonymous]

I would convict him based on his reinventing himself as a “wellness guru.” Guys like that are invariably FOS and up to something sketchy.