Amazon is serious about RTO

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is good for our area and hopefully the govt is next.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/29/business/amazon-jobs-return-to-office/index.html

I read this quite differently. If Amazon employees don’t go back after this, what exactly is this guy going to do to stop them? He is past the end of verbal escalation and it sounds like they’re it going.

They will give people bad performance reviews even if they don't deserve it, like they do now and fire them.

That’s not what he says he plans to do.

I think this man threw a temper tantrum in a newspaper and that may be about it. He can’t deliver the consequence he is threatening if the employee holdouts are as significant as he himself is admitting.

This is what they do normally, every year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is good for our area and hopefully the govt is next.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/29/business/amazon-jobs-return-to-office/index.html

I read this quite differently. If Amazon employees don’t go back after this, what exactly is this guy going to do to stop them? He is past the end of verbal escalation and it sounds like they’re it going.

They will give people bad performance reviews even if they don't deserve it, like they do now and fire them.

That’s not what he says he plans to do.

I think this man threw a temper tantrum in a newspaper and that may be about it. He can’t deliver the consequence he is threatening if the employee holdouts are as significant as he himself is admitting.

This is what they do normally, every year.

I understand that. But that is not what he is saying he will do, right here in print, about people who are holdouts on RTO specifically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is good for our area and hopefully the govt is next.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/29/business/amazon-jobs-return-to-office/index.html

I read this quite differently. If Amazon employees don’t go back after this, what exactly is this guy going to do to stop them? He is past the end of verbal escalation and it sounds like they’re it going.

They will give people bad performance reviews even if they don't deserve it, like they do now and fire them.

That’s not what he says he plans to do.

I think this man threw a temper tantrum in a newspaper and that may be about it. He can’t deliver the consequence he is threatening if the employee holdouts are as significant as he himself is admitting.

This is what they do normally, every year.

I understand that. But that is not what he is saying he will do, right here in print, about people who are holdouts on RTO specifically.

My point is not that he is a liar. We know that. My point is that he looks weak and is now in a poor position to execute what he says he will do, which will weaken him further.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is good for our area and hopefully the govt is next.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/29/business/amazon-jobs-return-to-office/index.html

I read this quite differently. If Amazon employees don’t go back after this, what exactly is this guy going to do to stop them? He is past the end of verbal escalation and it sounds like they’re it going.

They will give people bad performance reviews even if they don't deserve it, like they do now and fire them.

That’s not what he says he plans to do.

I think this man threw a temper tantrum in a newspaper and that may be about it. He can’t deliver the consequence he is threatening if the employee holdouts are as significant as he himself is admitting.

This is what they do normally, every year.

I understand that. But that is not what he is saying he will do, right here in print, about people who are holdouts on RTO specifically.

My point is not that he is a liar. We know that. My point is that he looks weak and is now in a poor position to execute what he says he will do, which will weaken him further.

I think they will terminate people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is good for our area and hopefully the govt is next.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/29/business/amazon-jobs-return-to-office/index.html

I read this quite differently. If Amazon employees don’t go back after this, what exactly is this guy going to do to stop them? He is past the end of verbal escalation and it sounds like they’re it going.

They will give people bad performance reviews even if they don't deserve it, like they do now and fire them.

That’s not what he says he plans to do.

I think this man threw a temper tantrum in a newspaper and that may be about it. He can’t deliver the consequence he is threatening if the employee holdouts are as significant as he himself is admitting.

This is what they do normally, every year.

I understand that. But that is not what he is saying he will do, right here in print, about people who are holdouts on RTO specifically.

My point is not that he is a liar. We know that. My point is that he looks weak and is now in a poor position to execute what he says he will do, which will weaken him further.

I think they will terminate people.

I’m sure they will. But if the numbers holding out are that high, they may not be in a position to terminate enough people fast enough for AJ to be able to say he did what he said he would do.

This is consistent with what employees and spouses of employees have said here about him as a leader. It’s just notable because he is so far out over his skis in this specific gambit.

“All the CEOs talked to each other and we agree”—to be forced to say the quiet part loud this explicitly is kind of unusual.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is good for our area and hopefully the govt is next.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/29/business/amazon-jobs-return-to-office/index.html

I read this quite differently. If Amazon employees don’t go back after this, what exactly is this guy going to do to stop them? He is past the end of verbal escalation and it sounds like they’re it going.

They will give people bad performance reviews even if they don't deserve it, like they do now and fire them.

That’s not what he says he plans to do.

I think this man threw a temper tantrum in a newspaper and that may be about it. He can’t deliver the consequence he is threatening if the employee holdouts are as significant as he himself is admitting.

This is what they do normally, every year.

I understand that. But that is not what he is saying he will do, right here in print, about people who are holdouts on RTO specifically.

My point is not that he is a liar. We know that. My point is that he looks weak and is now in a poor position to execute what he says he will do, which will weaken him further.

I think they will terminate people.

My opinion, top brass is in a weak spot with that. Sure, you can come down hard on the worker bees but there are a not insignificant number of higher ups who were left to determine what was best for their departments for a long time who had that stripped of them and are dealing with the fallout. Those people, who actually might be involved in things like performance reviews, are not necessarily enthused about telling high performers to leave because of office attendance, particularly in cases when it makes no sense. I think this is a really weak point and definitely does not, "build trust" in leadership, even amongst leaders!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they are serious about it, but boy has it been an epic cluster of leadership failure. From a heavy handed proclamation all must return without assessing office space (put them in the utility closets? Do they REALLY need wifi?) To hackneyed guidance on enforcement, it's been an absolute mess and they look like fools. All the engineers and they can't integrate a badge system to PTO or leave of absence systems? Sending out threatening emails about not being in the office 3 days a week to people on paternity and medical leave with obvious exceptions was despicable.

Umm, did they request paternity leave because otherwise that's not legal.

Yes, of course. Emails went out to anyone not in office 3 days a week despite many approved reasons. People out sick with covid? Too bad.

Oh so they just got emails notifying that when paternity leave was over they needed to come in? That's not threatening.

It sounds like they’re getting yelled at to get their butt back in their seat at the office despite being on leave.

I bet the people doing the badge comparisons weren’t given a list of exceptions to the rules.

[Anonymous]

Wow, people think feds are whiny! It’s a private company, their employees are paid well, and the people I know who work there love it. The like their offices. Beats the conditions feds have by a mile. 3 days is not bad, with all of the other perks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, people think feds are whiny! It’s a private company, their employees are paid well, and the people I know who work there love it. The like their offices. Beats the conditions feds have by a mile. 3 days is not bad, with all of the other perks.

The pay greatly varies per position and your pay goes up and down every year, down especially after your four year contract. Three days is a lot of you were working at home prior to Covid and have up to a 90 minute commute each way. Amazon is not an 8 hour job a day. It’s generally a 10+ hour a day job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, people think feds are whiny! It’s a private company, their employees are paid well, and the people I know who work there love it. The like their offices. Beats the conditions feds have by a mile. 3 days is not bad, with all of the other perks.

The pay greatly varies per position and your pay goes up and down every year, down especially after your four year contract. Three days is a lot of you were working at home prior to Covid and have up to a 90 minute commute each way. Amazon is not an 8 hour job a day. It’s generally a 10+ hour a day job.

Then quit.

I don't get the people complaining about commute. Did you think they were building those fancy new offices to sit empty? And it's not like Amazon was historically a company super flexible on WFH, doing a 180.

Just like everyone else, Amazon employees (well, the white collar ones) moved to WFH due to Covid. Covid is now endemic. Companies want people back. I don't get why so many people thought this was going to be a permanent change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is good for our area and hopefully the govt is next.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/29/business/amazon-jobs-return-to-office/index.html

I read this quite differently. If Amazon employees don’t go back after this, what exactly is this guy going to do to stop them? He is past the end of verbal escalation and it sounds like they’re it going.

They will give people bad performance reviews even if they don't deserve it, like they do now and fire them.

That’s not what he says he plans to do.

I think this man threw a temper tantrum in a newspaper and that may be about it. He can’t deliver the consequence he is threatening if the employee holdouts are as significant as he himself is admitting.

This is what they do normally, every year.

I understand that. But that is not what he is saying he will do, right here in print, about people who are holdouts on RTO specifically.

My point is not that he is a liar. We know that. My point is that he looks weak and is now in a poor position to execute what he says he will do, which will weaken him further.

I think they will terminate people.

My opinion, top brass is in a weak spot with that. Sure, you can come down hard on the worker bees but there are a not insignificant number of higher ups who were left to determine what was best for their departments for a long time who had that stripped of them and are dealing with the fallout. Those people, who actually might be involved in things like performance reviews, are not necessarily enthused about telling high performers to leave because of office attendance, particularly in cases when it makes no sense. I think this is a really weak point and definitely does not, "build trust" in leadership, even amongst leaders!

Oh yeah, not at Amazon but I would be so peeved if my high performing employees or coworkers got pushed out. You know the ones who get things done effortlessly, seemingly overnight, without spoonfeeding and handwringing? ouf. I would quiet quit for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they are serious about it, but boy has it been an epic cluster of leadership failure. From a heavy handed proclamation all must return without assessing office space (put them in the utility closets? Do they REALLY need wifi?) To hackneyed guidance on enforcement, it's been an absolute mess and they look like fools. All the engineers and they can't integrate a badge system to PTO or leave of absence systems? Sending out threatening emails about not being in the office 3 days a week to people on paternity and medical leave with obvious exceptions was despicable.

How do you know that those on paternity or medical leave got a notice? The article says that some, not all, employees who were not in the office three days a week got the notice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:28 year old, I can't stand working from home every day. I just want to work home maybe 20-40% of the time, but living in a 500 sq ft apartment alone, its lonely af!

I hear you! The 20s and some 30s need to be around other people. I hope you can find a better balance for yourself out there. You’re at a good age to keep trying new things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, people think feds are whiny! It’s a private company, their employees are paid well, and the people I know who work there love it. The like their offices. Beats the conditions feds have by a mile. 3 days is not bad, with all of the other perks.

The pay greatly varies per position and your pay goes up and down every year, down especially after your four year contract. Three days is a lot of you were working at home prior to Covid and have up to a 90 minute commute each way. Amazon is not an 8 hour job a day. It’s generally a 10+ hour a day job.

Well, all I can say is that I wouldn’t mind the commute to crystal city compared to the one I have now. And it seems like a decent place to work if they want you to stick around. I imagine management units have some flexibility to accommodate their valued staff. Them’s the breaks. You can always go work in government for less pay and less flexibility… lol.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:28 year old, I can't stand working from home every day. I just want to work home maybe 20-40% of the time, but living in a 500 sq ft apartment alone, its lonely af!

I hear you! The 20s and some 30s need to be around other people. I hope you can find a better balance for yourself out there. You’re at a good age to keep trying new things.

I'm in my 40s and feel this way. Also my DH works from home 2 days a week, and it works best if we can stagger our days so we have the house to ourselves. It's not necessary (we both worked at home full time for two years) but I think it's healthy for us. Maybe one day of overlap a week, but more than that is overkill. I'm most productive on my WFH days when I'm totally alone.