Amazon is serious about RTO

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad. 100% remote work is bad for everyone (accept perhaps the slackers who hide behind WFH to mask how little they actually do). My nephew just got his business degree and he needs a job and wants to go into the office. I hope it works out for him getting to take the spot from someone who can't fathom leaving their house.

You clearly don’t work for amazon. My spouse works a minimum of 10 hours a day work from home. With the hour commute he cannot work as much so they will lose productivity. And, it’s mainly calls so being in a big room with others calls is not a good thing. They have hot desks so you have to get in early or it’s a problem. Not to mention cold, flu and Covid going around. You truly have no idea.

[Anonymous]

Do not take a job with Amazon

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they are serious about it, but boy has it been an epic cluster of leadership failure. From a heavy handed proclamation all must return without assessing office space (put them in the utility closets? Do they REALLY need wifi?) To hackneyed guidance on enforcement, it's been an absolute mess and they look like fools. All the engineers and they can't integrate a badge system to PTO or leave of absence systems? Sending out threatening emails about not being in the office 3 days a week to people on paternity and medical leave with obvious exceptions was despicable.

Umm, did they request paternity leave because otherwise that's not legal.

Yes, of course. Emails went out to anyone not in office 3 days a week despite many approved reasons. People out sick with covid? Too bad.

Oh so they just got emails notifying that when paternity leave was over they needed to come in? That's not threatening.

No to the bolded. They got emails saying that since they are currently not meeting expectations with RTO their job is at risk now. They didn't account for the reason someone might not be in 3 days a week, like paternity or medical leave. Also didn't account for things like work travel, signing in at Amazon offices other than the one to which you are assigned; and the one to which you are assigned? Might not be ready or have a desk for you. It was VERY sloppy and lead to a lot of panic for well-intentioned people making a good faith effort to comply.

[Anonymous]

For companies that like Amazon, it is also especially appropriate for their white collar workers to be leaving home again. Their delivery workers have been out the whole time. That divide isn't a good look.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad. 100% remote work is bad for everyone (accept perhaps the slackers who hide behind WFH to mask how little they actually do). My nephew just got his business degree and he needs a job and wants to go into the office. I hope it works out for him getting to take the spot from someone who can't fathom leaving their house.

You clearly don’t work for amazon. My spouse works a minimum of 10 hours a day work from home. With the hour commute he cannot work as much so they will lose productivity. And, it’s mainly calls so being in a big room with others calls is not a good thing. They have hot desks so you have to get in early or it’s a problem. Not to mention cold, flu and Covid going around. You truly have no idea.

The exec response is to have people leave, right? They are probably still slightly overstaffed as it is, so people will self select out and hopefully Amazon can then avoid additional layoffs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've been 100% remote since COVID. I don't dislike my job, but my health is better. I sleep longer, I eat healthier, I have more time to spend with friends(single and childless). I love my job and wfh makes it easier to focus since I'm in a quiet space and I can ping someone if I have a question. Being around people is quite overwhelming.

This is true for me too, except I am not remote and really want to be. I wish I could work remotely all the time.

[Anonymous]

Amazon can’t find any way to dump all there real estate so they figure they might as well use it.

No employees at Amazon corporate offices should be doing a job that required in person presence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Amazon can’t find any way to dump all there real estate so they figure they might as well use it.

No employees at Amazon corporate offices should be doing a job that required in person presence.

Amazon has some jobs that require in person. But, much can be done from home.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad. 100% remote work is bad for everyone (accept perhaps the slackers who hide behind WFH to mask how little they actually do). My nephew just got his business degree and he needs a job and wants to go into the office. I hope it works out for him getting to take the spot from someone who can't fathom leaving their house.

You clearly don’t work for amazon. My spouse works a minimum of 10 hours a day work from home. With the hour commute he cannot work as much so they will lose productivity. And, it’s mainly calls so being in a big room with others calls is not a good thing. They have hot desks so you have to get in early or it’s a problem. Not to mention cold, flu and Covid going around. You truly have no idea.

The exec response is to have people leave, right? They are probably still slightly overstaffed as it is, so people will self select out and hopefully Amazon can then avoid additional layoffs.

I suspect its either that or its that they are getting lots of tax breaks for the office space and the agreement was to have x number of people for local businesses (however, not spending $15 a day anymore and will pack as between the gas, car and tolls it really adds up).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For companies that like Amazon, it is also especially appropriate for their white collar workers to be leaving home again. Their delivery workers have been out the whole time. That divide isn't a good look.

Is it? My spouse was working from home before covid majority of the time. So, if they could do it before covid, why not after. it's also not appropriate for those who live with family members with health issues when there are no basic precautions in place nor private offices.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad. 100% remote work is bad for everyone (accept perhaps the slackers who hide behind WFH to mask how little they actually do). My nephew just got his business degree and he needs a job and wants to go into the office. I hope it works out for him getting to take the spot from someone who can't fathom leaving their house.

You clearly don’t work for amazon. My spouse works a minimum of 10 hours a day work from home. With the hour commute he cannot work as much so they will lose productivity. And, it’s mainly calls so being in a big room with others calls is not a good thing. They have hot desks so you have to get in early or it’s a problem. Not to mention cold, flu and Covid going around. You truly have no idea.

The exec response is to have people leave, right? They are probably still slightly overstaffed as it is, so people will self select out and hopefully Amazon can then avoid additional layoffs.

I suspect its either that or its that they are getting lots of tax breaks for the office space and the agreement was to have x number of people for local businesses (however, not spending $15 a day anymore and will pack as between the gas, car and tolls it really adds up).

I think it's a combo of these but at least in Virginia there was an agreement like this to bring...25k? Not sure, people into the office and the tax break expired in June, so an April push was made. The "collaboration" thing is...sometimes valid. In my case, I'm the only one at the office locally so I don't talk to a soul and it's a check the box thing while I run around looking for private space to make calls, semi bitter I need to commute and can't even get a decent workspace. I spend no money there either, bring lunch and get in and out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad. 100% remote work is bad for everyone (accept perhaps the slackers who hide behind WFH to mask how little they actually do). My nephew just got his business degree and he needs a job and wants to go into the office. I hope it works out for him getting to take the spot from someone who can't fathom leaving their house.

You clearly don’t work for amazon. My spouse works a minimum of 10 hours a day work from home. With the hour commute he cannot work as much so they will lose productivity. And, it’s mainly calls so being in a big room with others calls is not a good thing. They have hot desks so you have to get in early or it’s a problem. Not to mention cold, flu and Covid going around. You truly have no idea.

The exec response is to have people leave, right? They are probably still slightly overstaffed as it is, so people will self select out and hopefully Amazon can then avoid additional layoffs.

I suspect its either that or its that they are getting lots of tax breaks for the office space and the agreement was to have x number of people for local businesses (however, not spending $15 a day anymore and will pack as between the gas, car and tolls it really adds up).

I think it's a combo of these but at least in Virginia there was an agreement like this to bring...25k? Not sure, people into the office and the tax break expired in June, so an April push was made. The "collaboration" thing is...sometimes valid. In my case, I'm the only one at the office locally so I don't talk to a soul and it's a check the box thing while I run around looking for private space to make calls, semi bitter I need to commute and can't even get a decent workspace. I spend no money there either, bring lunch and get in and out.

It would be nice if they paid employees commute costs and not expect work from home mornings, evenings and weekends if you are putting in 8-10 hours in the office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is good for our area and hopefully the govt is next.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/29/business/amazon-jobs-return-to-office/index.html

I read this quite differently. If Amazon employees don’t go back after this, what exactly is this guy going to do to stop them? He is past the end of verbal escalation and it sounds like they’re it going.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is good for our area and hopefully the govt is next.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/29/business/amazon-jobs-return-to-office/index.html

I read this quite differently. If Amazon employees don’t go back after this, what exactly is this guy going to do to stop them? He is past the end of verbal escalation and it sounds like they’re it going.

They will give people bad performance reviews even if they don't deserve it, like they do now and fire them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is good for our area and hopefully the govt is next.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/29/business/amazon-jobs-return-to-office/index.html

I read this quite differently. If Amazon employees don’t go back after this, what exactly is this guy going to do to stop them? He is past the end of verbal escalation and it sounds like they’re it going.

They will give people bad performance reviews even if they don't deserve it, like they do now and fire them.

That’s not what he says he plans to do.

I think this man threw a temper tantrum in a newspaper and that may be about it. He can’t deliver the consequence he is threatening if the employee holdouts are as significant as he himself is admitting.