Amazon is serious about RTO

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they are serious about it, but boy has it been an epic cluster of leadership failure. From a heavy handed proclamation all must return without assessing office space (put them in the utility closets? Do they REALLY need wifi?) To hackneyed guidance on enforcement, it's been an absolute mess and they look like fools. All the engineers and they can't integrate a badge system to PTO or leave of absence systems? Sending out threatening emails about not being in the office 3 days a week to people on paternity and medical leave with obvious exceptions was despicable.

Umm, did they request paternity leave because otherwise that's not legal.

Yes, of course. Emails went out to anyone not in office 3 days a week despite many approved reasons. People out sick with covid? Too bad.

Seems like anyone on maternity leave planning on being a SAHM anyway can walk away with a nice settlement

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How is it good? Lots more on the road commuting. They are looking to get rid of folks.

They're opening up a brand-new headquarters right in NOVA why would they be looking to get rid of some people? And who are they bringing from out of town to replace them?

You realize there are tons of Amazon buildings outside the new headquarters and they don't even have desks for most of the employees and they have to hot desk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've been 100% remote since COVID. I don't dislike my job, but my health is better. I sleep longer, I eat healthier, I have more time to spend with friends(single and childless). I love my job and wfh makes it easier to focus since I'm in a quiet space and I can ping someone if I have a question. Being around people is quite overwhelming.

Congrats on making it work! Being single and childless sounds understandable here.

[Anonymous]

Ah, yes, love reporting 3 days a week to the office to log on and have Zoom calls from my desk in the noisy open office concept space.

The open office concept was great when everyone was in the office on the same days. The noise never bothered me. If I needed to concentrate I simply put on my noise-canceling headphones. Or I could easily book a small conference area/meeting room to have an important call or meeting that needed more silence. We had our large meetings in one of several large conference rooms.

But now? It's a GD free-for-all! Those who need to be in the office on the same day for a meeting never are. It's nearly impossible to get a meeting room without reserving days out, which doesn't work for those spur-of-the-moment calls where you need to quickly put out a fire.

And the wifi in the office is total sh!t now because EVERYONE in here is constantly on a zoom call or a gd webinar.

I either want a job that's fully remote or fully 5 days a week in the office for everyone. Or a door. A gd door or some little cube walls would be great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they are serious about it, but boy has it been an epic cluster of leadership failure. From a heavy handed proclamation all must return without assessing office space (put them in the utility closets? Do they REALLY need wifi?) To hackneyed guidance on enforcement, it's been an absolute mess and they look like fools. All the engineers and they can't integrate a badge system to PTO or leave of absence systems? Sending out threatening emails about not being in the office 3 days a week to people on paternity and medical leave with obvious exceptions was despicable.

Our company did this, too! And then had to push back rto until later next year because they realized they didn’t have enough office space or a clear plan on how to handle teams that are spread out across the country. I get they want people back but it comes across poorly when companies don’t make a plan before sending out an email demanding everyone come back

[Anonymous]

Andy jassy is so joyless and annoying - he’s like Zelenskyy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they are serious about it, but boy has it been an epic cluster of leadership failure. From a heavy handed proclamation all must return without assessing office space (put them in the utility closets? Do they REALLY need wifi?) To hackneyed guidance on enforcement, it's been an absolute mess and they look like fools. All the engineers and they can't integrate a badge system to PTO or leave of absence systems? Sending out threatening emails about not being in the office 3 days a week to people on paternity and medical leave with obvious exceptions was despicable.

They took away the private offices in some buildings and all the supplies were stopped like the extra monitors and not all have been replaced yet. They can easily track the work via logging on. There is more to this. Either government pressure from the subsidies or they are trying to reduce the workforce without layoffs.

[Anonymous]

I'm glad. 100% remote work is bad for everyone (accept perhaps the slackers who hide behind WFH to mask how little they actually do). My nephew just got his business degree and he needs a job and wants to go into the office. I hope it works out for him getting to take the spot from someone who can't fathom leaving their house.

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*except

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad. 100% remote work is bad for everyone (accept perhaps the slackers who hide behind WFH to mask how little they actually do). My nephew just got his business degree and he needs a job and wants to go into the office. I hope it works out for him getting to take the spot from someone who can't fathom leaving their house.

It's "except."

This is actually the opposite of my experience at Amazon. The people managing large global teams on calls from early morning to late night are the ones who are the most annoyed they have to carve out commute time ("Do I go before my 6am? I have 30 min break between noon and 12:30, can I make it in?" Is there anywhere I can take a call? Will we even have working wifi?"). The slackers seem to love going into the office where they can socialize and enjoy the office amenities. Their calendars look pretty open but they have definitely been hitting up all the lunch and happy hour spots and you can find them chilling on the rooftop drinking lattes throughout the day while the rest of us are on calls eating nothing but granola bars and water until dinner.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they are serious about it, but boy has it been an epic cluster of leadership failure. From a heavy handed proclamation all must return without assessing office space (put them in the utility closets? Do they REALLY need wifi?) To hackneyed guidance on enforcement, it's been an absolute mess and they look like fools. All the engineers and they can't integrate a badge system to PTO or leave of absence systems? Sending out threatening emails about not being in the office 3 days a week to people on paternity and medical leave with obvious exceptions was despicable.

Umm, did they request paternity leave because otherwise that's not legal.

Yes, of course. Emails went out to anyone not in office 3 days a week despite many approved reasons. People out sick with covid? Too bad.

Seems like anyone on maternity leave planning on being a SAHM anyway can walk away with a nice settlement

Why would they be entitled to a settlement?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they are serious about it, but boy has it been an epic cluster of leadership failure. From a heavy handed proclamation all must return without assessing office space (put them in the utility closets? Do they REALLY need wifi?) To hackneyed guidance on enforcement, it's been an absolute mess and they look like fools. All the engineers and they can't integrate a badge system to PTO or leave of absence systems? Sending out threatening emails about not being in the office 3 days a week to people on paternity and medical leave with obvious exceptions was despicable.

They took away the private offices in some buildings and all the supplies were stopped like the extra monitors and not all have been replaced yet. They can easily track the work via logging on. There is more to this. Either government pressure from the subsidies or they are trying to reduce the workforce without layoffs.

Or a combination of many factors. In the end, the job market will dictate whether Amazon wins or loses this fight. Most major tech and non-tech companies are now hybrid schedules or even full RTO. That's reality. Full-time WFH is going back to the career dead end that it used to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they are serious about it, but boy has it been an epic cluster of leadership failure. From a heavy handed proclamation all must return without assessing office space (put them in the utility closets? Do they REALLY need wifi?) To hackneyed guidance on enforcement, it's been an absolute mess and they look like fools. All the engineers and they can't integrate a badge system to PTO or leave of absence systems? Sending out threatening emails about not being in the office 3 days a week to people on paternity and medical leave with obvious exceptions was despicable.

Umm, did they request paternity leave because otherwise that's not legal.

Yes, of course. Emails went out to anyone not in office 3 days a week despite many approved reasons. People out sick with covid? Too bad.

Oh so they just got emails notifying that when paternity leave was over they needed to come in? That's not threatening.

[Anonymous]

Amazon is a terrible employee to begin with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Amazon is a terrible employee to begin with.

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