Amazon is serious about RTO

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they are serious about it, but boy has it been an epic cluster of leadership failure. From a heavy handed proclamation all must return without assessing office space (put them in the utility closets? Do they REALLY need wifi?) To hackneyed guidance on enforcement, it's been an absolute mess and they look like fools. All the engineers and they can't integrate a badge system to PTO or leave of absence systems? Sending out threatening emails about not being in the office 3 days a week to people on paternity and medical leave with obvious exceptions was despicable.

No one needs wifi at work - in the office. No one.

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Anonymous wrote:This is good for our area and hopefully the govt is next.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/29/business/amazon-jobs-return-to-office/index.html

I read this quite differently. If Amazon employees don’t go back after this, what exactly is this guy going to do to stop them? He is past the end of verbal escalation and it sounds like they’re it going.

They will give people bad performance reviews even if they don't deserve it, like they do now and fire them.

That’s not what he says he plans to do.

I think this man threw a temper tantrum in a newspaper and that may be about it. He can’t deliver the consequence he is threatening if the employee holdouts are as significant as he himself is admitting.

This is what they do normally, every year.

I understand that. But that is not what he is saying he will do, right here in print, about people who are holdouts on RTO specifically.

My point is not that he is a liar. We know that. My point is that he looks weak and is now in a poor position to execute what he says he will do, which will weaken him further.

I think they will terminate people.

Good ! Open up positions for real workers with real educations willing to get real results - not play board games with their kids and walk the dog all day

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad. 100% remote work is bad for everyone (accept perhaps the slackers who hide behind WFH to mask how little they actually do). My nephew just got his business degree and he needs a job and wants to go into the office. I hope it works out for him getting to take the spot from someone who can't fathom leaving their house.

You clearly don’t work for amazon. My spouse works a minimum of 10 hours a day work from home. With the hour commute he cannot work as much so they will lose productivity. And, it’s mainly calls so being in a big room with others calls is not a good thing. They have hot desks so you have to get in early or it’s a problem. Not to mention cold, flu and Covid going around. You truly have no idea.

The cold, flu, covid excuse is one of the all time worst. Colds have been around for centuries. Get over yourself - snowflake.

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Anonymous wrote:28 year old, I can't stand working from home every day. I just want to work home maybe 20-40% of the time, but living in a 500 sq ft apartment alone, its lonely af!

I hear you! The 20s and some 30s need to be around other people. I hope you can find a better balance for yourself out there. You’re at a good age to keep trying new things.

I'm in my 40s and feel this way. Also my DH works from home 2 days a week, and it works best if we can stagger our days so we have the house to ourselves. It's not necessary (we both worked at home full time for two years) but I think it's healthy for us. Maybe one day of overlap a week, but more than that is overkill. I'm most productive on my WFH days when I'm totally alone.

This. I really only like to work at home with my spouse once or twice a week. I like having an office, and coworkers. I just don’t like the toll of my commute on my family life and health, the pay, the management, or the office environment my employer provides. If Amazon can make all of those things balance out for their employees, sign me up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they are serious about it, but boy has it been an epic cluster of leadership failure. From a heavy handed proclamation all must return without assessing office space (put them in the utility closets? Do they REALLY need wifi?) To hackneyed guidance on enforcement, it's been an absolute mess and they look like fools. All the engineers and they can't integrate a badge system to PTO or leave of absence systems? Sending out threatening emails about not being in the office 3 days a week to people on paternity and medical leave with obvious exceptions was despicable.

No one needs wifi at work - in the office. No one.

NP and I guess it just depends on what you do. At my place wifi is used during meetings for multiple presenters to share their screens. The alternative is for everyone to e-mail their information to one person but then you're sitting there pulling up multiple presentations rather than just seamlessly switching from one person to another. Our meeting rooms are not set up for multiple hard-wired connections.

We also have some people that sit at workstations that have to use wifi. Admittedly, this one is just a poor building design or cost-cutting measure where they did not include hard-wired internet at those locations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they are serious about it, but boy has it been an epic cluster of leadership failure. From a heavy handed proclamation all must return without assessing office space (put them in the utility closets? Do they REALLY need wifi?) To hackneyed guidance on enforcement, it's been an absolute mess and they look like fools. All the engineers and they can't integrate a badge system to PTO or leave of absence systems? Sending out threatening emails about not being in the office 3 days a week to people on paternity and medical leave with obvious exceptions was despicable.

No one needs wifi at work - in the office. No one.

People that have meetings typically need WiFi. No one uses legal pads anymore bud.

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Anonymous wrote:28 year old, I can't stand working from home every day. I just want to work home maybe 20-40% of the time, but living in a 500 sq ft apartment alone, its lonely af!

I hear you! The 20s and some 30s need to be around other people. I hope you can find a better balance for yourself out there. You’re at a good age to keep trying new things.

I'm in my 40s and feel this way. Also my DH works from home 2 days a week, and it works best if we can stagger our days so we have the house to ourselves. It's not necessary (we both worked at home full time for two years) but I think it's healthy for us. Maybe one day of overlap a week, but more than that is overkill. I'm most productive on my WFH days when I'm totally alone.

So you want to be around people, as long as it's not your husband.

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Anonymous wrote:28 year old, I can't stand working from home every day. I just want to work home maybe 20-40% of the time, but living in a 500 sq ft apartment alone, its lonely af!

I hear you! The 20s and some 30s need to be around other people. I hope you can find a better balance for yourself out there. You’re at a good age to keep trying new things.

I'm in my 40s and feel this way. Also my DH works from home 2 days a week, and it works best if we can stagger our days so we have the house to ourselves. It's not necessary (we both worked at home full time for two years) but I think it's healthy for us. Maybe one day of overlap a week, but more than that is overkill. I'm most productive on my WFH days when I'm totally alone.

So you want to be around people, as long as it's not your husband.

DP but I’m around my husband all the time. I just don’t want to WORK with him around all the time. He’s loud. It can be a little jarring for him to see me in “executive mode” all the time. And when work is killing me, I prefer to be out of the house so no one has to deal with me that isn’t paid to.

[Anonymous]

The pay at Amazon is so much higher than most other places I think employees can suck it up and go to the office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The pay at Amazon is so much higher than most other places I think employees can suck it up and go to the office.

This is the thing that people seem to forget. One’s employer is not a welfare agency. They are not funding your lifestyle to be nice. No, they expect you to work. They want something in return for their compensation, and they are right to demand it. If you think it’s so easy to find another job that pays as well, go find it. But, until that time, report to work and do your job. No one’s paying you to be on a permanent vacay.

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Anonymous wrote:The pay at Amazon is so much higher than most other places I think employees can suck it up and go to the office.

This is the thing that people seem to forget. One’s employer is not a welfare agency. They are not funding your lifestyle to be nice. No, they expect you to work. They want something in return for their compensation, and they are right to demand it. If you think it’s so easy to find another job that pays as well, go find it. But, until that time, report to work and do your job. No one’s paying you to be on a permanent vacay.

You seem to forget that it goes both ways. Companies need people to be willing, and even excited (god forbid) to do the work under conditions that work for them. Don’t act like this isn’t a negotiation. Both sides have leverage.

[Anonymous]

The corporate manager in here depresses me. Do better man. Employees are not machines. You can get so much more out of people by being better than you’re displaying here.

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Anonymous wrote:This is good for our area and hopefully the govt is next.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/29/business/amazon-jobs-return-to-office/index.html

I read this quite differently. If Amazon employees don’t go back after this, what exactly is this guy going to do to stop them? He is past the end of verbal escalation and it sounds like they’re it going.

They will give people bad performance reviews even if they don't deserve it, like they do now and fire them.

That’s not what he says he plans to do.

I think this man threw a temper tantrum in a newspaper and that may be about it. He can’t deliver the consequence he is threatening if the employee holdouts are as significant as he himself is admitting.

This is what they do normally, every year.

I understand that. But that is not what he is saying he will do, right here in print, about people who are holdouts on RTO specifically.

My point is not that he is a liar. We know that. My point is that he looks weak and is now in a poor position to execute what he says he will do, which will weaken him further.

I think they will terminate people.

Good ! Open up positions for real workers with real educations willing to get real results - not play board games with their kids and walk the dog all day

Yikes. These things are not mutually exclusive.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is good for our area and hopefully the govt is next.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/29/business/amazon-jobs-return-to-office/index.html

I read this quite differently. If Amazon employees don’t go back after this, what exactly is this guy going to do to stop them? He is past the end of verbal escalation and it sounds like they’re it going.

They will give people bad performance reviews even if they don't deserve it, like they do now and fire them.

That’s not what he says he plans to do.

I think this man threw a temper tantrum in a newspaper and that may be about it. He can’t deliver the consequence he is threatening if the employee holdouts are as significant as he himself is admitting.

This is what they do normally, every year.

I understand that. But that is not what he is saying he will do, right here in print, about people who are holdouts on RTO specifically.

My point is not that he is a liar. We know that. My point is that he looks weak and is now in a poor position to execute what he says he will do, which will weaken him further.

I think they will terminate people.

Good ! Open up positions for real workers with real educations willing to get real results - not play board games with their kids and walk the dog all day

Yes let's hire the aging Genx and boomers who have outdated skills of Fortran

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Anonymous wrote:This is good for our area and hopefully the govt is next.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/29/business/amazon-jobs-return-to-office/index.html

I read this quite differently. If Amazon employees don’t go back after this, what exactly is this guy going to do to stop them? He is past the end of verbal escalation and it sounds like they’re it going.

They will give people bad performance reviews even if they don't deserve it, like they do now and fire them.

That’s not what he says he plans to do.

I think this man threw a temper tantrum in a newspaper and that may be about it. He can’t deliver the consequence he is threatening if the employee holdouts are as significant as he himself is admitting.

This is what they do normally, every year.

I understand that. But that is not what he is saying he will do, right here in print, about people who are holdouts on RTO specifically.

My point is not that he is a liar. We know that. My point is that he looks weak and is now in a poor position to execute what he says he will do, which will weaken him further.

I think they will terminate people.

Good ! Open up positions for real workers with real educations willing to get real results - not play board games with their kids and walk the dog all day

Yikes. These things are not mutually exclusive.

Yeah, this is hilarious. My days in the office I bring my dog and generally eff around. I get my real work done at home.