Affirmative Action and UVA

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

Truth.

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Anonymous wrote:There are SO MANY colleges and universities that have developed methods of getting diversity other than the specific style that Harvard used. (University of Texas being a good example.) This is not going to be the big shift that some of you think it will be.
And yes as PP said, UVA has been very open for years that they are looking for geographic diversity.

Except plaintiffs have already sued TJHSS for mimicking the University of Texas's admission standard of taking the top portion of each feeder school. Looks like it will end up at the Supreme Court.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/23/us/thomas-jefferson-high-school-admissions.html

So yeah, they are coming for any initiative that tries to increase "diversity."

The lawsuit was unsuccessful though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It would be ironick if and kind of awesome if this ruling actually causes the end of secondary school segregation as striver parents rush to move in bounds to high minority/high FARMS rates schools

Lower ranked, majority white colleges will simply see a boost in perceived prestige before the above ever happens.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

Truth.

Yes, but how do you rectify that even if race could still be considered? Qutoas? Lottery admissions (which could lead to students not fully prepared for the rigors of a UVA education)? It's not like UVA (or VT, etc.) were trying to exclude Black students in recent years. Quite the contrary.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

Truth.

Yes, but how do you rectify that even if race could still be considered? Qutoas? Lottery admissions (which could lead to students not fully prepared for the rigors of a UVA education)? It's not like UVA (or VT, etc.) were trying to exclude Black students in recent years. Quite the contrary.

It's hard work and few institutions have yet shown they really want to put in the hard work. One you have to create a culture that is genuinely welcoming and that is hard to do when you have a history like UVA, the faculty and admin don't reflect the diversity of the student body yet, and there's still strong racial divisions in terms of who has access to strong K-12 schools. But there are more than enough qualified Black students in Virginia who could cope with the rigors of UVA education--they just have to be supported well once there. Legality aside, if a university could say we will take the top 10% of Black students from Virginia who want to go to UVA--building out a strong sizeable population of Black students and then provided special support programs, advocates and advising for this cohort, I think you would start to have powerful and connected communities of Black alumni who could recruit future classes. Maybe it could be billed as a reparations program--Black descendants of slaves in Virginia are guaranteed admission and a full scholarship to Virginia's state public schools--students rank order their preferences and the top x percent are admitted to their top choices as there are spots available, whether it's UVA/WM/VT or wherever, but everyone is guaranteed a spot somewhere, even if it's starting out at CC if they are not yet academically ready for 4 year college.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

It is the same reason why all attempts at getting more blacks into have failed. They really need to reach these kids when they are young.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

It is the same reason why all attempts at getting more blacks into have failed. They really need to reach these kids when they are young.

Public flagships have pursued the goal of becoming increasingly selective rather than serving their state. UVA has also become really expensive.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

Over the years I’ve met a handful of Black UVA graduates from the mid to late aughts and none of them seemed to really love their experience at the school. Their feedback ranged from middling to lukewarm. I wouldn’t underestimate the lure of alternate college choices combined with the decrease in Black students accelerating the decline.

[Anonymous]

^^ pp here, it’s a stark contrast compared to the white UVA alum I’ve met who are still so gung-ho about the university and Charlottesville.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

Truth.

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I think that schools have more say than any lawsuit, thankfully. Let people think they "won", and help people who REALLY need it, and really DESERVE it.

Just because you get tutors all your life, doesn't mean you deserve anything.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

Over the years I’ve met a handful of Black UVA graduates from the mid to late aughts and none of them seemed to really love their experience at the school. Their feedback ranged from middling to lukewarm. I wouldn’t underestimate the lure of alternate college choices combined with the decrease in Black students accelerating the decline.

Yeah, but they feel the same about Asians - Asians just don't admit it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

Truth.

+1

I think that schools have more say than any lawsuit, thankfully. Let people think they "won", and help people who REALLY need it, and really DESERVE it.

Just because you get tutors all your life, doesn't mean you deserve anything.

The inbreeders and looters must really deserve it since they're trying to get cultured out of low IQs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

Truth.

+1

I think that schools have more say than any lawsuit, thankfully. Let people think they "won", and help people who REALLY need it, and really DESERVE it.

Just because you get tutors all your life, doesn't mean you deserve anything.

White people actually have the highest rate of getting tutor help in the US.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

Truth.

Saying that one would “expect” groups to be represented proportionally based on demographics assumes all such groups are equally qualified. [citation needed]