Affirmative Action and UVA

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

I was a graduate student at UVA in the early 90s. As part of our RA duties we would meet with the professor when he went over the exam grades. It was eye opening to me to see that the bottom 5-10% of the class were almost always black students, and the majority were well below average. These were anonymously graded exams. It became very clear that a large percentage of the black students simply weren’t qualified to be there. I felt sorry for the 25% of the black kids who absolutely belonged there; I’m sure people assumed they were unqualified. Of course UVA, like most “prestigious” schools, graduates almost everyone who gets in, so the majority still earned degrees. I’m curious if this kind of data caused UVA to be a little more careful in who they accepted later on.

I am a black student who also graduated in the early 90s. You are full of shit. I can assure you that there were a much higher percentage of white students admitted to UVA who by your definition weren’t qualified to be there.

Also I’m going to need more information. What specific class was this?

Percentage? I doubt it. Absolute numbers? Very possible. I had a few white students that absolutely got in because daddy was rich.

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For those saying they went to UVA in the 90s, your experience is your experience. I appreciate your input but it is 2023. These are different kids raised differently and experienced different times. Please stop comparing. UVA 2023 is not the same as 1991.

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Anonymous wrote:DH and I are both black UVA alumni. We will not advise our kids to apply to UVA or any school with a lack of diversity. A welcoming, diverse and supportive community is most important to us.

The SC ruling will result in less diverse campuses by self selection alone.

Strongly disagree.

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This ruling doesn’t affect the number of spots in colleges. It doesn’t change the number of college-age people. So all that will happen is a little shifting around. Some people might shift slightly up, some slightly down. SLIGHTLY. If you were previously thinking of Johns Hopkins you might now be at Wake Forest. If you were previously thinking of Wake, there might be a few more spots at Hopkins for you. Nobody will be at a community college saying “If it wasn’t for that SOB Brett Cavanaugh I would be at CalTech right now.”

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Anonymous wrote:DH and I are both black UVA alumni. We will not advise our kids to apply to UVA or any school with a lack of diversity. A welcoming, diverse and supportive community is most important to us.

The SC ruling will result in less diverse campuses by self selection alone.

Strongly disagree.

What do you strongly disagree with?

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Anonymous wrote:This ruling doesn’t affect the number of spots in colleges. It doesn’t change the number of college-age people. So all that will happen is a little shifting around. Some people might shift slightly up, some slightly down. SLIGHTLY. If you were previously thinking of Johns Hopkins you might now be at Wake Forest. If you were previously thinking of Wake, there might be a few more spots at Hopkins for you. Nobody will be at a community college saying “If it wasn’t for that SOB Brett Cavanaugh I would be at CalTech right now.”

there is so much wrong with what you say, starting with spelling of Justices' names so your post is discounted in the eyes of many

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

If you are full pay you have a strong chance. I’m pretty torn by SC decision. I do believe underrepresented groups should be given an opportunity. Many attend poor school districts where the level of instruction does not set them up to meet competitive admissions metrics. But as a parent of an OS white son who was waitlisted this year (1560 SAT, 4.61 WGPA), I know it was the fact we could only contribute maybe $35000-$40000 was the reason he was waitlisted over others. So I was disappointed for him at the time but we’ve moved on.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

If you are full pay you have a strong chance. I’m pretty torn by SC decision. I do believe underrepresented groups should be given an opportunity. Many attend poor school districts where the level of instruction does not set them up to meet competitive admissions metrics. But as a parent of an OS white son who was waitlisted this year (1560 SAT, 4.61 WGPA), I know it was the fact we could only contribute maybe $35000-$40000 was the reason he was waitlisted over others. So I was disappointed for him at the time but we’ve moved on.

You don’t “know” any such thing. UVA is need blind in admissions.

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Sorry, KAVANAUGH. Care to enlighten me on some of huge number of mistakes in my post? (And by the way, you’re pretty picky about spelling for someone who doesn’t understand capitalization or apostrophes).

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Your son has a great stat, and I believe he will do really well anywhere. This year's out of state application pool was brutally strong. I heard a boy got rejected with SAT 1580. Just unbelievable.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

If you are full pay you have a strong chance. I’m pretty torn by SC decision. I do believe underrepresented groups should be given an opportunity. Many attend poor school districts where the level of instruction does not set them up to meet competitive admissions metrics. But as a parent of an OS white son who was waitlisted this year (1560 SAT, 4.61 WGPA), I know it was the fact we could only contribute maybe $35000-$40000 was the reason he was waitlisted over others. So I was disappointed for him at the time but we’ve moved on.

You don’t “know” any such thing. UVA is need blind in admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

I bet much harder if you’re from northern Virginia. Zip codes with low average salaries are going to be the new hook.

No, put your tiny violin away + cancel your pity party UVA has been and will always be racist. White boys have a much easier time getting in than girls of equal grades/ test scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Asian study groups *never* invite blacks to join them.

Black hoopers never invite Asian kids to play in open run

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Anonymous wrote:This is what's coming next:

"The University of Virginia, for example, announced a plan this month to target 40 high schools in eight regions of the state that had little history of sending applicants."

New York Times article, 6/30

This is good, as long as they select the top students from these under represented schools instead of using race as a determining factor.

Because we know nothing statistically about who lives in various geographies… zip codes will soon be quotas too.

Surely you don’t believe this. UVA knows the demographic makeup of every zip code in the state.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what's coming next:

"The University of Virginia, for example, announced a plan this month to target 40 high schools in eight regions of the state that had little history of sending applicants."

New York Times article, 6/30

This is good, as long as they select the top students from these under represented schools instead of using race as a determining factor.

Because we know nothing statistically about who lives in various geographies… zip codes will soon be quotas too.

Surely you don’t believe this. UVA knows the demographic makeup of every zip code in the state.

My zip code has affordable housing/projects and multi-million home/condos. My kids school was 20% Farms. So how do they know which kid they are getting ?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, KAVANAUGH. Care to enlighten me on some of huge number of mistakes in my post? (And by the way, you’re pretty picky about spelling for someone who doesn’t understand capitalization or apostrophes).

Well not only did you spell it wrong but he wasn’t a defining voice in Friday’s Scotus decision so we can’t tell what you’re yammering on about.