Affirmative Action and UVA

[Anonymous]

Am I the only one who feels this might be true sometimes:

First gen Asians feel a lot of pressure to get into top universities for the obvious reasons, but also to impress family members in home countries who will recognize a Stanford or Yale over a U of Michigan/UVA for example.

Second and third gen Asians, are more assimilated and have more empathy for URMs and they, and their parents, understand that it is not Ivy or bust.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those saying they went to UVA in the 90s, your experience is your experience. I appreciate your input but it is 2023. These are different kids raised differently and experienced different times. Please stop comparing. UVA 2023 is not the same as 1991.

But UVA in the '90s was more diverse, so in 2023 it's actually worse.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/class-2026-most-diverse-group-history-filled-helpers-and-nice-people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those saying they went to UVA in the 90s, your experience is your experience. I appreciate your input but it is 2023. These are different kids raised differently and experienced different times. Please stop comparing. UVA 2023 is not the same as 1991.

But UVA in the '90s was more diverse, so in 2023 it's actually worse.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/class-2026-most-diverse-group-history-filled-helpers-and-nice-people

UVA's taking more out of state kids trying not to be high school 2.0.

More of the middle class folks are forced to go out of state and get in trouble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who feels this might be true sometimes:

First gen Asians feel a lot of pressure to get into top universities for the obvious reasons, but also to impress family members in home countries who will recognize a Stanford or Yale over a U of Michigan/UVA for example.

Second and third gen Asians, are more assimilated and have more empathy for URMs and they, and their parents, understand that it is not Ivy or bust.

This doesn't sound right.
I'm a 1.5 gen Korean immigrant. I came here when I was in HS in 1989.

First gen and 1.5 gen normal Asian students don't really much luxury to shoot for the most elite.
A lot of barriers. You can't really get stellar score on English.
They are mostly satisfied with good state schools.

It's the 2nd gen that start giving it a try.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who feels this might be true sometimes:

First gen Asians feel a lot of pressure to get into top universities for the obvious reasons, but also to impress family members in home countries who will recognize a Stanford or Yale over a U of Michigan/UVA for example.

Second and third gen Asians, are more assimilated and have more empathy for URMs and they, and their parents, understand that it is not Ivy or bust.

This doesn't sound right.
I'm a 1.5 gen Korean immigrant. I came here when I was in HS in 1989.

First gen and 1.5 gen normal Asian students don't really much luxury to shoot for the most elite.
A lot of barriers. You can't really get stellar score on English.
They are mostly satisfied with good state schools.

It's the 2nd gen that start giving it a try.

This sounds right. And not just for Asians but other immigrants as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those saying they went to UVA in the 90s, your experience is your experience. I appreciate your input but it is 2023. These are different kids raised differently and experienced different times. Please stop comparing. UVA 2023 is not the same as 1991.

But UVA in the '90s was more diverse, so in 2023 it's actually worse.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/class-2026-most-diverse-group-history-filled-helpers-and-nice-people

But the opposite is true. UVA today is far more diverse. The article you cite re class of 2026 proves exactly that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who feels this might be true sometimes:

First gen Asians feel a lot of pressure to get into top universities for the obvious reasons, but also to impress family members in home countries who will recognize a Stanford or Yale over a U of Michigan/UVA for example.

Second and third gen Asians, are more assimilated and have more empathy for URMs and they, and their parents, understand that it is not Ivy or bust.

Don’t lump UVA in with Michigan here. Because of global rankings, Michigan’s world wide rep is much higher than Virginia’s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are SO MANY colleges and universities that have developed methods of getting diversity other than the specific style that Harvard used. (University of Texas being a good example.) This is not going to be the big shift that some of you think it will be.
And yes as PP said, UVA has been very open for years that they are looking for geographic diversity.

This is absolutely accurate. There will be other proxies for diversity under a "holistic" review. They'll target different geographic and socioeconomic groups to achieve what they want. This decision really is sort of a nothingburger and the writing has been on the wall even before this sham of a SCOTUS ruled on it. The schools knew it was coming and started doing this already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are SO MANY colleges and universities that have developed methods of getting diversity other than the specific style that Harvard used. (University of Texas being a good example.) This is not going to be the big shift that some of you think it will be.
And yes as PP said, UVA has been very open for years that they are looking for geographic diversity.

This is absolutely accurate. There will be other proxies for diversity under a "holistic" review. They'll target different geographic and socioeconomic groups to achieve what they want. This decision really is sort of a nothingburger and the writing has been on the wall even before this sham of a SCOTUS ruled on it. The schools knew it was coming and started doing this already.

The problem is, or the blessing (depending on your perspective), the new ruling has specifically targeted those "other proxies" by calling them unconstitutional. So, the workarounds that other universities WERE using are not unconstitutional. We will see a LOT more litigation over these in the coming years as they are now illegal.

[Anonymous]

^^^^ excuse me, should say are NOW unconstitutional. I inadvertently typo'd the opposite

[Anonymous]

Do you know how many TJ students withdrew their Michigan applications after being accepted into UVA? No one reads the "global rankings".

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who feels this might be true sometimes:

First gen Asians feel a lot of pressure to get into top universities for the obvious reasons, but also to impress family members in home countries who will recognize a Stanford or Yale over a U of Michigan/UVA for example.

Second and third gen Asians, are more assimilated and have more empathy for URMs and they, and their parents, understand that it is not Ivy or bust.

Don’t lump UVA in with Michigan here. Because of global rankings, Michigan’s world wide rep is much higher than Virginia’s