So what is changing? Questions about SC affirmative action decision

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Anonymous wrote:Will Georgetown FINALLY have to drop their picture requirement??

Georgetown is one of the better looking t30s for a reason

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, the race box will go away.

Doubt it because universities still have to track race per DOE. Also, eliminating the box will prevent the ability to determine if non-URM applicants are being discriminated against.

Most likely race info will be masked in the admissions process.

Will applicants have a number instead of a name? I think you can often guess someone’s race pretty accurately based on their surname alone.

Yes. They need to fix that as well as not requiring parent's information on the common app. The reviewers and the colleges should get the application without the kid's name, gender or their parents' names.

Erase everything about a persons' identity?

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If this is banning "race conscious admissions" then I dont think an AdCom can factor anything about race in. Including that your mom/dad went to HSBCUs, that your name reads Black, that you live in a 100% Black zip code.

I think they can give you a leg up if you talk some aspect of race up in your essay - as John Roberts says and Harvard letter basically co-signs. So now all these kids basically forced to write about this. "as a black man.." won't cut it alone, you need to really focus on some aspect of race in your upbringing.

I suspect college will work around by adding a short supplemental that says something like, "It takes a village. In 100 words, tell us how your village shaped you".

My question: Does this include Native Americans?

Native American is the most faked/made up ethnicity for people that are going to lie about their race (hello Elizabeth Warren). It would be amusing to read a 'white', privileged Brad or Madison talk about how being 'native american' affected him/her, maybe he/she was a good lacrosse player?

Hopefully this decision will make white people more honest. There has been studies showing more than 1/3 of white applicants lied about their race in the college application process.

If you are referring to the "study" that made the rounds in social media not terribly long ago, that was either an actual Buzzfeed survey or of the same level of rigor.

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Anonymous wrote:Will Georgetown FINALLY have to drop their picture requirement??

Georgetown is one of the better looking t30s for a reason

Literally every single pretty rich white society girl I know is going to either Georgetown or Vanderbilt.

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Colleges will cut and paste and adapt a Roberts passage from the ruling for their applications in the form of a short essay prompt: "Nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise:" "Tell us how race affected your life, through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise." Can't be sued for doing that, according to the Supreme Court.

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Months ago there was news that the Common App was already putting in place a way to mask the “race box” in case the ruling went this way. I’m positive that schools will not be able to see a box when kids begin applying this August.

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Here’s the article about that:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/26/us/college-admissions-race-common-app.html

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, the race box will go away.

Doubt it because universities still have to track race per DOE. Also, eliminating the box will prevent the ability to determine if non-URM applicants are being discriminated against.

Most likely race info will be masked in the admissions process.

Will applicants have a number instead of a name? I think you can often guess someone’s race pretty accurately based on their surname alone.

That may be true (but misleading) with some Hispanics. But not blacks.

What do you mean? African names are easy yo guess.

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges will cut and paste and adapt a Roberts passage from the ruling for their applications in the form of a short essay prompt: "Nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise:" "Tell us how race affected your life, through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise." Can't be sued for doing that, according to the Supreme Court.

I think this is correct, though maybe they'll use another term rather than race, such as "identity." Maybe the Common App itself will include such an essay and make it "optional" or something.

(More essays. That's just great. /sarcasm)

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Anonymous wrote:Months ago there was news that the Common App was already putting in place a way to mask the “race box” in case the ruling went this way. I’m positive that schools will not be able to see a box when kids begin applying this August.

The UVA AO said colleges can hide any questions they don't use.

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Why do they keep trying to make diversity a goal, it's not the 90s anymore we should be looking for the best and brightest.

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How soon until all Chinese high schools rename all their students names like John and Sydney Evans?

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Anonymous wrote:Why do they keep trying to make diversity a goal, it's not the 90s anymore we should be looking for the best and brightest.

Diversity makes everyone smarter and stronger (mentally). I don't need to be in a class with 30 other people just like me. I want to learn from other people's experiences and perspectives. And I want that for my kids as well. This is true in engineering as well as humanities. You don't know what you haven't lived.

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What's changing is that pretty soon the parents on this board will have lost one of their favorite reasons for why their mediocre kid didn't get into an ivy league school.

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Just look to California to see where the nation is headed. Caltech and the UC System are world class because they don't pander to PC. UC Berkeley rivals Stanford precisely for this reason.