He used red pill terminology

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He inferred that women over 30 who aren’t married are whores who just want to have a bunch of sex, and that their degrees won’t keep them warm at night. He also made multiple comments about how “women are”. It’s weird that he kept lumping all women together and generalizing. I’ve run across this before and find it creepy. But there were also good things about him.

Why would you even have to post a question about this? It is pretty obvious right? Also why hide the lead? Seems very trollish. It would be similar to a POC asking if they should continue to date someone who is in the klan.

[Anonymous]

My 19yo ds is into the red pill. I have let him run his mouth about it to see how far down the hole he has gone. Most of it is about politics/economic structure (matrix) but it has also given him significant motivation to work hard and take care of himself - almost like a guide for what it is to be a "high value man." I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows how I feel about Andrew Tate.

Now, if I were dating a man in his 40s or whatever who referred to anything re Red Pill or used the words OP said he did, I would be out of there immediately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 19yo ds is into the red pill. I have let him run his mouth about it to see how far down the hole he has gone. Most of it is about politics/economic structure (matrix) but it has also given him significant motivation to work hard and take care of himself - almost like a guide for what it is to be a "high value man." I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows how I feel about Andrew Tate.

Now, if I were dating a man in his 40s or whatever who referred to anything re Red Pill or used the words OP said he did, I would be out of there immediately.

That’s cute that you think he actually still respects you. Or women in general.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 19yo ds is into the red pill. I have let him run his mouth about it to see how far down the hole he has gone. Most of it is about politics/economic structure (matrix) but it has also given him significant motivation to work hard and take care of himself - almost like a guide for what it is to be a "high value man." I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows how I feel about Andrew Tate.

Now, if I were dating a man in his 40s or whatever who referred to anything re Red Pill or used the words OP said he did, I would be out of there immediately.

That’s cute that you think he actually still respects you. Or women in general.

That's cute that you can paint people with such a broad brush.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Red pill” is a cluster of beliefs and groups that teach people, usually adolescent and young men, that women are lesser than men, dependent on men, and fundamentally dishonest about their desires related to men and sex.

It attracts men who are frustrated that they aren’t getting the attention they want or feel they deserve from women and attracts other men who would prey on these frustrations for influence and profit.

One of the fundamental red pill principles is that chicks dig jerks. Feminism has women talking about equality, respectfulness, and so forth; but when it comes down to lust and sex, their bodies choose aggressive, dominant, non-feminist men. After all, when women are in their twenties, sexually adventurous, and hot enough to have a wide range of options in men, which men are they choosing? Not the meek, sensitive, cerebral types.

So, fellas, if you want women to take your resources & secretly despise you, listen to what they say. If you want to have sex with them, take the red pill and watch what they do.

Yes, great point. If you want women to despise you, listen to the incel red-pillers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 19yo ds is into the red pill. I have let him run his mouth about it to see how far down the hole he has gone. Most of it is about politics/economic structure (matrix) but it has also given him significant motivation to work hard and take care of himself - almost like a guide for what it is to be a "high value man." I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows how I feel about Andrew Tate.

Now, if I were dating a man in his 40s or whatever who referred to anything re Red Pill or used the words OP said he did, I would be out of there immediately.

You believe you're being smart and cagey, letting him "run his mouth" so you can gauge how far his thinking goes. But you're actually being naive (a term I feel sure will make you furious, but...you are naive.) Why? "I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows...." etc. What you have "heard" means exactly nothing. You have no idea what he's reading online, what he's writing in posts, what is inside his head. Just because you haven't heard comments you think are clearly misogynist, that does not mean he isn't engaging with others you don't know, and isn't buying every idea they're selling. He's your little boy and knows not to spew red pill misogyny in front of mom; that does not mean he isn't absorbing and internalizing it. But you seem to think it's good enough that you haven't heard it and he knows how you feel about ONE commentator. If you don't actually dig into what he thinks and tell him in no uncertain terms he's wrong, you have abdicated your role as a mother of a young man who is going to end up just another red piller, treating women...the way red pill men do.

And you even find the silver lining! He's working hard and taking care of himself to become a "high value man." The fact you present that as a kind of positive is baffling. Men can, and do, work hard and take care of themselves without the inspiration of this particular way of thinking. You sound desperate to find some kind of "up side" to your son's descent into this way of thinking. Well, he'll be buff, at least.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He inferred that women over 30 who aren’t married are whores who just want to have a bunch of sex, and that their degrees won’t keep them warm at night. He also made multiple comments about how “women are”. It’s weird that he kept lumping all women together and generalizing. I’ve run across this before and find it creepy. But there were also good things about him.

Why would you even have to post a question about this? It is pretty obvious right? Also why hide the lead? Seems very trollish. It would be similar to a POC asking if they should continue to date someone who is in the klan.

Not OP here, but PP, I think you vastly underestimate how stone-cold terrified some women are of being single, never marrying, waiting too long before trying to have kids, etc. How worried they are about the dating scene and never finding a man who will be a keeper. So they twist themselves into pretzels, morally and emotionally, to try to find something good in men whom they should block and forget.

It's not necessarily trolling, though it IS very worrying, that someone like OP would try hard to justify seeing a man like this, if she could scrape up even one molecule of "good things about him."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 19yo ds is into the red pill. I have let him run his mouth about it to see how far down the hole he has gone. Most of it is about politics/economic structure (matrix) but it has also given him significant motivation to work hard and take care of himself - almost like a guide for what it is to be a "high value man." I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows how I feel about Andrew Tate.

Now, if I were dating a man in his 40s or whatever who referred to anything re Red Pill or used the words OP said he did, I would be out of there immediately.

You believe you're being smart and cagey, letting him "run his mouth" so you can gauge how far his thinking goes. But you're actually being naive (a term I feel sure will make you furious, but...you are naive.) Why? "I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows...." etc. What you have "heard" means exactly nothing. You have no idea what he's reading online, what he's writing in posts, what is inside his head. Just because you haven't heard comments you think are clearly misogynist, that does not mean he isn't engaging with others you don't know, and isn't buying every idea they're selling. He's your little boy and knows not to spew red pill misogyny in front of mom; that does not mean he isn't absorbing and internalizing it. But you seem to think it's good enough that you haven't heard it and he knows how you feel about ONE commentator. If you don't actually dig into what he thinks and tell him in no uncertain terms he's wrong, you have abdicated your role as a mother of a young man who is going to end up just another red piller, treating women...the way red pill men do.

And you even find the silver lining! He's working hard and taking care of himself to become a "high value man." The fact you present that as a kind of positive is baffling. Men can, and do, work hard and take care of themselves without the inspiration of this particular way of thinking. You sound desperate to find some kind of "up side" to your son's descent into this way of thinking. Well, he'll be buff, at least.

Hello. My point in saying "but I am his mother" is acknowledging that he is not going to tell me everything. He knows exactly how I feel about misogyny. I have abdicated no role. I do a lot of listening but to do that I have to do less shutting down. I think there is a lot of conflation with red pill and incel mentality as well. We have had a lot of discussion about that. DS hates the incel mentality.

I would also say that the most important parent on the matter of teaching these lessons to teen boys are fathers but somehow that seems to get overlooked. My main point is that this red pill stuff is maybe somewhat more socially acceptable for young guys trying to find their way in the world but more concerning if a 40yo man is still looking to it for guidance .

I found this article to be eye-opening about it when it comes to young people: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-tate-jail-investigation.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 19yo ds is into the red pill. I have let him run his mouth about it to see how far down the hole he has gone. Most of it is about politics/economic structure (matrix) but it has also given him significant motivation to work hard and take care of himself - almost like a guide for what it is to be a "high value man." I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows how I feel about Andrew Tate.

Now, if I were dating a man in his 40s or whatever who referred to anything re Red Pill or used the words OP said he did, I would be out of there immediately.

That’s cute that you think he actually still respects you. Or women in general.

That's cute that you can paint people with such a broad brush.

Ok, red pill apologist. Whatever you say.

[Anonymous]

Is this the same a threatened white male?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Red pill” is a cluster of beliefs and groups that teach people, usually adolescent and young men, that women are lesser than men, dependent on men, and fundamentally dishonest about their desires related to men and sex.

It attracts men who are frustrated that they aren’t getting the attention they want or feel they deserve from women and attracts other men who would prey on these frustrations for influence and profit.

One of the fundamental red pill principles is that chicks dig jerks. Feminism has women talking about equality, respectfulness, and so forth; but when it comes down to lust and sex, their bodies choose aggressive, dominant, non-feminist men. After all, when women are in their twenties, sexually adventurous, and hot enough to have a wide range of options in men, which men are they choosing? Not the meek, sensitive, cerebral types.

So, fellas, if you want women to take your resources & secretly despise you, listen to what they say. If you want to have sex with them, take the red pill and watch what they do.

Yes, great point. If you want women to despise you, listen to the incel red-pillers.

Just what a deceptive feminist might say! See, the great thing about cult tactics is that you tell the people being indoctrinated that anyone who disagrees is dishonest or a useful idiot. By using "red pill" -- an allusion to the Matrix where only those who take the red pill know the truth -- they are making it clear, right up front and center, that any non-redpill thinking is automatically suspect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think there is a lot of conflation with red pill and incel mentality as well. We have had a lot of discussion about that. DS hates the incel mentality.

Incel is a subset of red pill. What they have in common is a belief that the socially acceptable descriptions of what women want in a man are fundamentally dishonest or misleading. They divide over what to do with that "truth." Pickup artists, incels, men going their own way, mens right's activists, proud boys and the rest of them all have different (sometimes overlapping) approaches, but none of them involve healthy relationships with women.

[Anonymous]

I’m over 30 and I like sex. And he’s right: my degrees don’t keep me warm at night, because I can afford to keep my thermostat at a comfortable temperature.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 19yo ds is into the red pill. I have let him run his mouth about it to see how far down the hole he has gone. Most of it is about politics/economic structure (matrix) but it has also given him significant motivation to work hard and take care of himself - almost like a guide for what it is to be a "high value man." I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows how I feel about Andrew Tate.

Now, if I were dating a man in his 40s or whatever who referred to anything re Red Pill or used the words OP said he did, I would be out of there immediately.

You believe you're being smart and cagey, letting him "run his mouth" so you can gauge how far his thinking goes. But you're actually being naive (a term I feel sure will make you furious, but...you are naive.) Why? "I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows...." etc. What you have "heard" means exactly nothing. You have no idea what he's reading online, what he's writing in posts, what is inside his head. Just because you haven't heard comments you think are clearly misogynist, that does not mean he isn't engaging with others you don't know, and isn't buying every idea they're selling. He's your little boy and knows not to spew red pill misogyny in front of mom; that does not mean he isn't absorbing and internalizing it. But you seem to think it's good enough that you haven't heard it and he knows how you feel about ONE commentator. If you don't actually dig into what he thinks and tell him in no uncertain terms he's wrong, you have abdicated your role as a mother of a young man who is going to end up just another red piller, treating women...the way red pill men do.

And you even find the silver lining! He's working hard and taking care of himself to become a "high value man." The fact you present that as a kind of positive is baffling. Men can, and do, work hard and take care of themselves without the inspiration of this particular way of thinking. You sound desperate to find some kind of "up side" to your son's descent into this way of thinking. Well, he'll be buff, at least.

DP. Lay off. There’s no one proven way to respond. You seem more interested in forcing a mother to condemn and write off her son, than in what it would take to actually educate him and persuade him. I personally believe that the less taboo you make this stuff, the better. If this PP totally polarizes the matter, do you think that will help?

[Anonymous]

“This guy in dating says women are whores. But there are good things about him.”

WTF.