He used red pill terminology

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Maybe work on being a better person if you want a date.

No, this judgemental "blue pill" attitude causes young men much misery. Scott Alexander was a physician with plenty of education and compassion. Young physician residents are broke, with student loans. Scott also lacked height, muscles, and hair. But he tragically believed he needed to become a "better person". No, he just need to learn what women want, and to improve his social skills.

It is not the fault of women that they didn't want to date Scott. But it is wrong to say unattractive men deserve their loneliness until they become "better". It reminds me of a Mae West scene, when she removed her fur coat, and the coat-check girl exclaimed "Goodness, what a large diamond!" Mae West replied "Goodness had nothing to do with it!" The Red Pill says that sexual attraction has little relation to virtue.

who?

unattractive people don't deserve their loneliness, but lots of these unattractive men become embittered, and then their personality is a bigger turnoff than their looks.

IDK it's anecdotal but unattractive single men seem way more bitter and angry than unattractive single women.

Embittered because they feel entitled.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird how the brilliant nerds become victims so quickly. Everyone’s fault by their own. Gosh if only they understood the value of Personal Responsibility and didn’t blame everyone else for their failures.

Anonymous wrote:Op here. The above really does closely capture the guy my post is referencing.

A viral blog comment by "Michael" epitomized the bitter attitude.

I’m 32 years old and have never been married ... always went to church ..., university, law school ... . It hurt me to watch these girls go out of their way to pursue and spread their legs for complete losers. ... As time went on I was labeled “husband material” by the girls on my campus. This phrase continued to plague me into my late 20’s. This label resulted in ZERO DATES all through college. ... Now at 32 and successful these women are hitting me. ... At 30+ women’s physical appearance has nowhere to go but DOWN. ... And if I cannot marry a women in her 20’s I REFUSE TO EVER GET MARRIED. ... I will not be a starter husband for one of these used up women. I can’t tell you the number of men I’ve known who married late and were rewarded by losing everything they spent their lives building … .
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/#comment-62160

“Spread their legs”?

I can see why people didn’t want to date him.

The reason you don’t understand is because you can’t imagine a world where you would have no dates throughout all of college.

Plenty of people have no dates throughout all of college. Especially in colleges like MIT which skews male, and did even moreso in prior years like when our writer was in college. Places like RPI are still practically 2:1 male:female. If you go to a school like that and come out bitter no one dates you, what stands in front of you is your ego and the belief that you are somehow “better” than other men, and so entitled to female attention. Entitlement to female attention does not get you dates.

Right? Does PP think that expressing such grievances is the way to get dates?
I spent a good part of my later 20s in NYC as a woman unable to find anyone willing to commit to anything beyond a ONS. I didn’t develop some kind of toxic philosophy about men. I just tried harder and learned to avoid the ones who were not right for me.

I have no desire to defend that guy or his comment. He's clearly toxic and a misogynist. But I doubt he started that way. In the beginning, the reason he wasn't getting dates probably wasn't that he was spewing this kind of toxicity. You have to work up to that. He probably wasn't athletic or assertive, and he saw that, notwithstanding the prevailing wisdom about being sensitive & funny, those were the kinds of guys women wanted to date or have sex with. At least during the age where he was building up his toxicity.

Also, it's easy to take the worst examples of the other side and compare them unfavorably against our reasonable experiences or those of "our" side.

DP I know you don't realize it, but you're blaming the toxicity on women not wanting to date certain men.

When I was in high school I encountered a couple of boys that wanted to date me and got upset when I rejected them. I didn't hear them using toxic language about girls/women, but I could already see glimmers of entitlement. I wasn't looking for assertiveness or athleticism. But I could also see through these guys who thought they were so nice and sensitive but actually didn't know how to listen and didn't react well to not getting what they wanted.

It’s not a woman’s fault - at all - if she’s not attracted to a guy.

Blaming it on women is such an entitled, misogynistic perspective. Take a little personal responsibility for your character flaws.

While I agree with your first two points, it is not a character flaw that someone is not attracted to someone else.

Character flaws:
“didn't know how to listen and didn't react well to not getting what they wanted.“

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Anonymous wrote:Weird how the brilliant nerds become victims so quickly. Everyone’s fault by their own. Gosh if only they understood the value of Personal Responsibility and didn’t blame everyone else for their failures.

Anonymous wrote:Op here. The above really does closely capture the guy my post is referencing.

A viral blog comment by "Michael" epitomized the bitter attitude.

I’m 32 years old and have never been married ... always went to church ..., university, law school ... . It hurt me to watch these girls go out of their way to pursue and spread their legs for complete losers. ... As time went on I was labeled “husband material” by the girls on my campus. This phrase continued to plague me into my late 20’s. This label resulted in ZERO DATES all through college. ... Now at 32 and successful these women are hitting me. ... At 30+ women’s physical appearance has nowhere to go but DOWN. ... And if I cannot marry a women in her 20’s I REFUSE TO EVER GET MARRIED. ... I will not be a starter husband for one of these used up women. I can’t tell you the number of men I’ve known who married late and were rewarded by losing everything they spent their lives building … .
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/#comment-62160

“Spread their legs”?

I can see why people didn’t want to date him.

The reason you don’t understand is because you can’t imagine a world where you would have no dates throughout all of college.

Right. I had a robust dating experience because I’m not a dick to others.

Maybe work on being a better person if you want a date. Falling down the rabbit hole of misogyny isn’t going to make it any better.

You're missing the point. Many of these folks are doing everything they are told to do in order to work on themselves without success. Or, even worse, they get a date where the woman is solely there to get a free meal. It doesn't make someone a misogynist, but it certainly demoralizes them about the dating world.

A man (or woman) who believes there is some kind of magic formula to finding love has only themselves to blame. Perhaps the answer is to develop a sense of self rather than blaming “them.” Nobody told you to do anything- if you take dating advice that literally, it’s on you

Exactly.

Just because you check off items on your imaginary checklist doesn’t mean you’re entitled to anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird how the brilliant nerds become victims so quickly. Everyone’s fault by their own. Gosh if only they understood the value of Personal Responsibility and didn’t blame everyone else for their failures.

Anonymous wrote:Op here. The above really does closely capture the guy my post is referencing.

A viral blog comment by "Michael" epitomized the bitter attitude.

I’m 32 years old and have never been married ... always went to church ..., university, law school ... . It hurt me to watch these girls go out of their way to pursue and spread their legs for complete losers. ... As time went on I was labeled “husband material” by the girls on my campus. This phrase continued to plague me into my late 20’s. This label resulted in ZERO DATES all through college. ... Now at 32 and successful these women are hitting me. ... At 30+ women’s physical appearance has nowhere to go but DOWN. ... And if I cannot marry a women in her 20’s I REFUSE TO EVER GET MARRIED. ... I will not be a starter husband for one of these used up women. I can’t tell you the number of men I’ve known who married late and were rewarded by losing everything they spent their lives building … .
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/#comment-62160

“Spread their legs”?

I can see why people didn’t want to date him.

The reason you don’t understand is because you can’t imagine a world where you would have no dates throughout all of college.

Right. I had a robust dating experience because I’m not a dick to others.

Maybe work on being a better person if you want a date. Falling down the rabbit hole of misogyny isn’t going to make it any better.

You're missing the point. Many of these folks are doing everything they are told to do in order to work on themselves without success. Or, even worse, they get a date where the woman is solely there to get a free meal. It doesn't make someone a misogynist, but it certainly demoralizes them about the dating world.

No woman in the entire world would sit through a meal with someone she's not interested in just because it's free. WTF.

Virtually every man in the United States' lived experience would disagree.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird how the brilliant nerds become victims so quickly. Everyone’s fault by their own. Gosh if only they understood the value of Personal Responsibility and didn’t blame everyone else for their failures.

Anonymous wrote:Op here. The above really does closely capture the guy my post is referencing.

A viral blog comment by "Michael" epitomized the bitter attitude.

I’m 32 years old and have never been married ... always went to church ..., university, law school ... . It hurt me to watch these girls go out of their way to pursue and spread their legs for complete losers. ... As time went on I was labeled “husband material” by the girls on my campus. This phrase continued to plague me into my late 20’s. This label resulted in ZERO DATES all through college. ... Now at 32 and successful these women are hitting me. ... At 30+ women’s physical appearance has nowhere to go but DOWN. ... And if I cannot marry a women in her 20’s I REFUSE TO EVER GET MARRIED. ... I will not be a starter husband for one of these used up women. I can’t tell you the number of men I’ve known who married late and were rewarded by losing everything they spent their lives building … .
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/#comment-62160

“Spread their legs”?

I can see why people didn’t want to date him.

The reason you don’t understand is because you can’t imagine a world where you would have no dates throughout all of college.

Plenty of people have no dates throughout all of college. Especially in colleges like MIT which skews male, and did even moreso in prior years like when our writer was in college. Places like RPI are still practically 2:1 male:female. If you go to a school like that and come out bitter no one dates you, what stands in front of you is your ego and the belief that you are somehow “better” than other men, and so entitled to female attention. Entitlement to female attention does not get you dates.

Right? Does PP think that expressing such grievances is the way to get dates?
I spent a good part of my later 20s in NYC as a woman unable to find anyone willing to commit to anything beyond a ONS. I didn’t develop some kind of toxic philosophy about men. I just tried harder and learned to avoid the ones who were not right for me.

I have no desire to defend that guy or his comment. He's clearly toxic and a misogynist. But I doubt he started that way. In the beginning, the reason he wasn't getting dates probably wasn't that he was spewing this kind of toxicity. You have to work up to that. He probably wasn't athletic or assertive, and he saw that, notwithstanding the prevailing wisdom about being sensitive & funny, those were the kinds of guys women wanted to date or have sex with. At least during the age where he was building up his toxicity.

Also, it's easy to take the worst examples of the other side and compare them unfavorably against our reasonable experiences or those of "our" side.

DP I know you don't realize it, but you're blaming the toxicity on women not wanting to date certain men.

When I was in high school I encountered a couple of boys that wanted to date me and got upset when I rejected them. I didn't hear them using toxic language about girls/women, but I could already see glimmers of entitlement. I wasn't looking for assertiveness or athleticism. But I could also see through these guys who thought they were so nice and sensitive but actually didn't know how to listen and didn't react well to not getting what they wanted.

It’s not a woman’s fault - at all - if she’s not attracted to a guy.

Blaming it on women is such an entitled, misogynistic perspective. Take a little personal responsibility for your character flaws.

While I agree with your first two points, it is not a character flaw that someone is not attracted to someone else.

Character flaws:
“didn't know how to listen and didn't react well to not getting what they wanted.“

You're quoting a female PP about her perception of the guys that she turned down. You (nor I) have any idea whether what she says is true.

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It is not a woman's fault that she is not attracted. It is neither a character flaw for a man to be unattractive.

Anonymous wrote:A man (or woman) who believes there is some kind of magic formula to finding love has only themselves to blame. Perhaps the answer is to develop a sense of self rather than blaming “them.” Nobody told you to do anything- if you take dating advice that literally, it’s on you

This is the heart of the Red Pill. Many men learn they attract women by projecting a strong sense of self, paradoxically by not seeking women, or not overinvesting.

I used Scott Alexander to illustrate because he was a well-known blogger, physician, incel, and kind guy of upstanding character. He did not feel entitled. But he did feel it was cosmically unfair to be incel while his sociopathic patients had many women. Again, it is not wrong to reject him. But it is wrong to tell him that he lacks dates because of bad character. Somebody needed to explain that serial killers get love letters, and he needed to stop conflating romantic success with virtue. He lacked dates because he did not connect with women by authentically projecting naughty character.

For the most part, women don't explicitly date for dinners. But they will accept online dates as back-up options, and then flake. Or if they are not attracted, then they will gleefully order appetizers with their drinks, bolt, and booty-text their regulars. Some people just treat others as disposable. Men don't risk assault on dates, more like death by a thousand cuts. Unsuccessful men get understandably demoralized and embittered. These guys are not angry at women for rejecting them. They are angry for bad advice, and for being told they are bad for wanting love. Elliot Rodger was portrayed as a misogynist, but he killed mostly men.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird how the brilliant nerds become victims so quickly. Everyone’s fault by their own. Gosh if only they understood the value of Personal Responsibility and didn’t blame everyone else for their failures.

Anonymous wrote:Op here. The above really does closely capture the guy my post is referencing.

A viral blog comment by "Michael" epitomized the bitter attitude.

I’m 32 years old and have never been married ... always went to church ..., university, law school ... . It hurt me to watch these girls go out of their way to pursue and spread their legs for complete losers. ... As time went on I was labeled “husband material” by the girls on my campus. This phrase continued to plague me into my late 20’s. This label resulted in ZERO DATES all through college. ... Now at 32 and successful these women are hitting me. ... At 30+ women’s physical appearance has nowhere to go but DOWN. ... And if I cannot marry a women in her 20’s I REFUSE TO EVER GET MARRIED. ... I will not be a starter husband for one of these used up women. I can’t tell you the number of men I’ve known who married late and were rewarded by losing everything they spent their lives building … .
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/#comment-62160

“Spread their legs”?

I can see why people didn’t want to date him.

The reason you don’t understand is because you can’t imagine a world where you would have no dates throughout all of college.

Plenty of people have no dates throughout all of college. Especially in colleges like MIT which skews male, and did even moreso in prior years like when our writer was in college. Places like RPI are still practically 2:1 male:female. If you go to a school like that and come out bitter no one dates you, what stands in front of you is your ego and the belief that you are somehow “better” than other men, and so entitled to female attention. Entitlement to female attention does not get you dates.

Right? Does PP think that expressing such grievances is the way to get dates?
I spent a good part of my later 20s in NYC as a woman unable to find anyone willing to commit to anything beyond a ONS. I didn’t develop some kind of toxic philosophy about men. I just tried harder and learned to avoid the ones who were not right for me.

I have no desire to defend that guy or his comment. He's clearly toxic and a misogynist. But I doubt he started that way. In the beginning, the reason he wasn't getting dates probably wasn't that he was spewing this kind of toxicity. You have to work up to that. He probably wasn't athletic or assertive, and he saw that, notwithstanding the prevailing wisdom about being sensitive & funny, those were the kinds of guys women wanted to date or have sex with. At least during the age where he was building up his toxicity.

Also, it's easy to take the worst examples of the other side and compare them unfavorably against our reasonable experiences or those of "our" side.

DP I know you don't realize it, but you're blaming the toxicity on women not wanting to date certain men.

When I was in high school I encountered a couple of boys that wanted to date me and got upset when I rejected them. I didn't hear them using toxic language about girls/women, but I could already see glimmers of entitlement. I wasn't looking for assertiveness or athleticism. But I could also see through these guys who thought they were so nice and sensitive but actually didn't know how to listen and didn't react well to not getting what they wanted.

It’s not a woman’s fault - at all - if she’s not attracted to a guy.

Blaming it on women is such an entitled, misogynistic perspective. Take a little personal responsibility for your character flaws.

While I agree with your first two points, it is not a character flaw that someone is not attracted to someone else.

Character flaws:
“didn't know how to listen and didn't react well to not getting what they wanted.“

You're quoting a female PP about her perception of the guys that she turned down. You (nor I) have any idea whether what she says is true.

She is explaining why she wasn't attracted to them. They should be careful with their words and choices because her perception is what informs her feelings about them.

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Anonymous wrote:It is not a woman's fault that she is not attracted. It is neither a character flaw for a man to be unattractive.

Anonymous wrote:A man (or woman) who believes there is some kind of magic formula to finding love has only themselves to blame. Perhaps the answer is to develop a sense of self rather than blaming “them.” Nobody told you to do anything- if you take dating advice that literally, it’s on you

This is the heart of the Red Pill. Many men learn they attract women by projecting a strong sense of self, paradoxically by not seeking women, or not overinvesting.

I used Scott Alexander to illustrate because he was a well-known blogger, physician, incel, and kind guy of upstanding character. He did not feel entitled. But he did feel it was cosmically unfair to be incel while his sociopathic patients had many women. Again, it is not wrong to reject him. But it is wrong to tell him that he lacks dates because of bad character. Somebody needed to explain that serial killers get love letters, and he needed to stop conflating romantic success with virtue. He lacked dates because he did not connect with women by authentically projecting naughty character.

For the most part, women don't explicitly date for dinners. But they will accept online dates as back-up options, and then flake. Or if they are not attracted, then they will gleefully order appetizers with their drinks, bolt, and booty-text their regulars. Some people just treat others as disposable. Men don't risk assault on dates, more like death by a thousand cuts. Unsuccessful men get understandably demoralized and embittered. These guys are not angry at women for rejecting them. They are angry for bad advice, and for being told they are bad for wanting love. Elliot Rodger was portrayed as a misogynist, but he killed mostly men.

Maybe "bad character" is the wrong description. Sounds like he (and others) are lacking some social skills. He should take a break from his extensive reading/blogging/redditing/online persona and interact more with real people IRL. Touch grass, Scott et al.

You don't get dates based on your resume, but your interpersonal skills. Sense of humor is the biggest draw for many women. Maybe he (and others) should lighten up and stop taking themselves so seriously.

And the reason why he lacked dates wasn't because he was inherently a good guy (AKA not naughty) - he honestly just sounds like a stick in the mud. You don't need to be "naughty" to be interesting/funny/etc. Work on EQ instead of trying to be a bad guy.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird how the brilliant nerds become victims so quickly. Everyone’s fault by their own. Gosh if only they understood the value of Personal Responsibility and didn’t blame everyone else for their failures.

Anonymous wrote:Op here. The above really does closely capture the guy my post is referencing.

A viral blog comment by "Michael" epitomized the bitter attitude.

I’m 32 years old and have never been married ... always went to church ..., university, law school ... . It hurt me to watch these girls go out of their way to pursue and spread their legs for complete losers. ... As time went on I was labeled “husband material” by the girls on my campus. This phrase continued to plague me into my late 20’s. This label resulted in ZERO DATES all through college. ... Now at 32 and successful these women are hitting me. ... At 30+ women’s physical appearance has nowhere to go but DOWN. ... And if I cannot marry a women in her 20’s I REFUSE TO EVER GET MARRIED. ... I will not be a starter husband for one of these used up women. I can’t tell you the number of men I’ve known who married late and were rewarded by losing everything they spent their lives building … .
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/#comment-62160

“Spread their legs”?

I can see why people didn’t want to date him.

The reason you don’t understand is because you can’t imagine a world where you would have no dates throughout all of college.

Plenty of people have no dates throughout all of college. Especially in colleges like MIT which skews male, and did even moreso in prior years like when our writer was in college. Places like RPI are still practically 2:1 male:female. If you go to a school like that and come out bitter no one dates you, what stands in front of you is your ego and the belief that you are somehow “better” than other men, and so entitled to female attention. Entitlement to female attention does not get you dates.

Right? Does PP think that expressing such grievances is the way to get dates?
I spent a good part of my later 20s in NYC as a woman unable to find anyone willing to commit to anything beyond a ONS. I didn’t develop some kind of toxic philosophy about men. I just tried harder and learned to avoid the ones who were not right for me.

I have no desire to defend that guy or his comment. He's clearly toxic and a misogynist. But I doubt he started that way. In the beginning, the reason he wasn't getting dates probably wasn't that he was spewing this kind of toxicity. You have to work up to that. He probably wasn't athletic or assertive, and he saw that, notwithstanding the prevailing wisdom about being sensitive & funny, those were the kinds of guys women wanted to date or have sex with. At least during the age where he was building up his toxicity.

Also, it's easy to take the worst examples of the other side and compare them unfavorably against our reasonable experiences or those of "our" side.

DP I know you don't realize it, but you're blaming the toxicity on women not wanting to date certain men.

When I was in high school I encountered a couple of boys that wanted to date me and got upset when I rejected them. I didn't hear them using toxic language about girls/women, but I could already see glimmers of entitlement. I wasn't looking for assertiveness or athleticism. But I could also see through these guys who thought they were so nice and sensitive but actually didn't know how to listen and didn't react well to not getting what they wanted.

It’s not a woman’s fault - at all - if she’s not attracted to a guy.

Blaming it on women is such an entitled, misogynistic perspective. Take a little personal responsibility for your character flaws.

While I agree with your first two points, it is not a character flaw that someone is not attracted to someone else.

Character flaws:
“didn't know how to listen and didn't react well to not getting what they wanted.“

You're quoting a female PP about her perception of the guys that she turned down. You (nor I) have any idea whether what she says is true.

She is explaining why she wasn't attracted to them. They should be careful with their words and choices because her perception is what informs her feelings about them.

Yes I have friends who have turned down guys because they did not like the shoes, glass or type of wallet the guy was wearing/used.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird how the brilliant nerds become victims so quickly. Everyone’s fault by their own. Gosh if only they understood the value of Personal Responsibility and didn’t blame everyone else for their failures.

Anonymous wrote:Op here. The above really does closely capture the guy my post is referencing.

A viral blog comment by "Michael" epitomized the bitter attitude.

I’m 32 years old and have never been married ... always went to church ..., university, law school ... . It hurt me to watch these girls go out of their way to pursue and spread their legs for complete losers. ... As time went on I was labeled “husband material” by the girls on my campus. This phrase continued to plague me into my late 20’s. This label resulted in ZERO DATES all through college. ... Now at 32 and successful these women are hitting me. ... At 30+ women’s physical appearance has nowhere to go but DOWN. ... And if I cannot marry a women in her 20’s I REFUSE TO EVER GET MARRIED. ... I will not be a starter husband for one of these used up women. I can’t tell you the number of men I’ve known who married late and were rewarded by losing everything they spent their lives building … .
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/#comment-62160

“Spread their legs”?

I can see why people didn’t want to date him.

The reason you don’t understand is because you can’t imagine a world where you would have no dates throughout all of college.

Plenty of people have no dates throughout all of college. Especially in colleges like MIT which skews male, and did even moreso in prior years like when our writer was in college. Places like RPI are still practically 2:1 male:female. If you go to a school like that and come out bitter no one dates you, what stands in front of you is your ego and the belief that you are somehow “better” than other men, and so entitled to female attention. Entitlement to female attention does not get you dates.

Right? Does PP think that expressing such grievances is the way to get dates?
I spent a good part of my later 20s in NYC as a woman unable to find anyone willing to commit to anything beyond a ONS. I didn’t develop some kind of toxic philosophy about men. I just tried harder and learned to avoid the ones who were not right for me.

I have no desire to defend that guy or his comment. He's clearly toxic and a misogynist. But I doubt he started that way. In the beginning, the reason he wasn't getting dates probably wasn't that he was spewing this kind of toxicity. You have to work up to that. He probably wasn't athletic or assertive, and he saw that, notwithstanding the prevailing wisdom about being sensitive & funny, those were the kinds of guys women wanted to date or have sex with. At least during the age where he was building up his toxicity.

Also, it's easy to take the worst examples of the other side and compare them unfavorably against our reasonable experiences or those of "our" side.

DP I know you don't realize it, but you're blaming the toxicity on women not wanting to date certain men.

When I was in high school I encountered a couple of boys that wanted to date me and got upset when I rejected them. I didn't hear them using toxic language about girls/women, but I could already see glimmers of entitlement. I wasn't looking for assertiveness or athleticism. But I could also see through these guys who thought they were so nice and sensitive but actually didn't know how to listen and didn't react well to not getting what they wanted.

It’s not a woman’s fault - at all - if she’s not attracted to a guy.

Blaming it on women is such an entitled, misogynistic perspective. Take a little personal responsibility for your character flaws.

While I agree with your first two points, it is not a character flaw that someone is not attracted to someone else.

Character flaws:
“didn't know how to listen and didn't react well to not getting what they wanted.“

You're quoting a female PP about her perception of the guys that she turned down. You (nor I) have any idea whether what she says is true.

She is explaining why she wasn't attracted to them. They should be careful with their words and choices because her perception is what informs her feelings about them.

Yes I have friends who have turned down guys because they did not like the shoes, glass or type of wallet the guy was wearing/used.

Sounds like your friends need some work too. I’m sure their (perceived) shallowness is a turn off for many guys.