RMIB vs BCC IB

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a ridiculous “discussion” sorry OP

yes, someone comparing private IB to a public magnet in a large public.

I think OP's question was answered in pg 1 of the thread.

Summary:

RMIB is better; has a high diploma rate; peer group is more higher achieving. The students start their magnet level classes (not IB, but magnet level) in 9th grade; example, RMS English is only open to RMIB magnet students.

BCC's program starts in 11th grade. 9th and 10th grades have classes with everyone else.

I’m not actually sure RMIB is “better” for every kid. They both have very high diploma rates and no kid has gone thru both and no parent has claimed to have had kids go thru both.

It's "better" in terms of diploma rate, and the magnet program starting in 9th grade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/data/LAR-charts/IB-Exam-by-Subject.html

You're welcome

You'll see that it is the specific teacher for specific subjects that matter more than the school program itself.

Not being snarky...but I really do not see how the chart shows me that at all.

Most schools have only one teacher for each IB course. The teacher may teach multiple sections, but generally there is one. For IB Biology, the mean IB score at RM is a 5.2. At BCC it's a 4.2. At BCC, the mean physics score is a 5.0; it's a 5.3 at RM. Their english scores are equivalent.

So yeah, RM seems to be generally better in all areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/data/LAR-charts/IB-Exam-by-Subject.html

You're welcome

DP

Oh, thank you! Interesting info.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a ridiculous “discussion” sorry OP

yes, someone comparing private IB to a public magnet in a large public.

I think OP's question was answered in pg 1 of the thread.

Summary:

RMIB is better; has a high diploma rate; peer group is more higher achieving. The students start their magnet level classes (not IB, but magnet level) in 9th grade; example, RMS English is only open to RMIB magnet students.

BCC's program starts in 11th grade. 9th and 10th grades have classes with everyone else.

What do RMIB students do for 9th and 10th grade? The Diploma Program starts in 11th.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a ridiculous “discussion” sorry OP

yes, someone comparing private IB to a public magnet in a large public.

I think OP's question was answered in pg 1 of the thread.

Summary:

RMIB is better; has a high diploma rate; peer group is more higher achieving. The students start their magnet level classes (not IB, but magnet level) in 9th grade; example, RMS English is only open to RMIB magnet students.

BCC's program starts in 11th grade. 9th and 10th grades have classes with everyone else.

What do RMIB students do for 9th and 10th grade? The Diploma Program starts in 11th.

There are specific courses in 9th/10th that are only available to IB magnet students, like RMS English 9. They also take several AP classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a ridiculous “discussion” sorry OP

yes, someone comparing private IB to a public magnet in a large public.

I think OP's question was answered in pg 1 of the thread.

Summary:

RMIB is better; has a high diploma rate; peer group is more higher achieving. The students start their magnet level classes (not IB, but magnet level) in 9th grade; example, RMS English is only open to RMIB magnet students.

BCC's program starts in 11th grade. 9th and 10th grades have classes with everyone else.

What do RMIB students do for 9th and 10th grade? The Diploma Program starts in 11th.

There are specific courses in 9th/10th that are only available to IB magnet students, like RMS English 9. They also take several AP classes.

Again, the program only has 100 seats and there are 8,000 potential applicants so odds are very slim of getting admitted..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a ridiculous “discussion” sorry OP

yes, someone comparing private IB to a public magnet in a large public.

I think OP's question was answered in pg 1 of the thread.

Summary:

RMIB is better; has a high diploma rate; peer group is more higher achieving. The students start their magnet level classes (not IB, but magnet level) in 9th grade; example, RMS English is only open to RMIB magnet students.

BCC's program starts in 11th grade. 9th and 10th grades have classes with everyone else.

What do RMIB students do for 9th and 10th grade? The Diploma Program starts in 11th.

There are specific courses in 9th/10th that are only available to IB magnet students, like RMS English 9. They also take several AP classes.

Again, the program only has 100 seats and there are 8,000 potential applicants so odds are very slim of getting admitted..

Again, unless you have an extremely advanced kid who is strong all around. Those of us who do, know when we have a kid who has an extremely high chance of getting accepted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/data/LAR-charts/IB-Exam-by-Subject.html

You're welcome

You'll see that it is the specific teacher for specific subjects that matter more than the school program itself.

Not being snarky...but I really do not see how the chart shows me that at all.

Most schools have only one teacher for each IB course. The teacher may teach multiple sections, but generally there is one. For IB Biology, the mean IB score at RM is a 5.2. At BCC it's a 4.2. At BCC, the mean physics score is a 5.0; it's a 5.3 at RM. Their english scores are equivalent.

So yeah, RM seems to be generally better in all areas.

Personally, I think this difference is more a function of the fact that to get into RM, you have to take a test. Only the people who do very well on the test are selected to go to RM. Thus, those at RM tend to do better on IB tests. By contrast, at BCC there are kids who are in full IB taking tests, kids who are just taking a 1 or 2 IB classes, etc. for the vast majority of kids who are decent test-takers in the IB program, there is, I would be willing to bet, not a significant difference between their test scores and RM.

RM is good. BCC is good. Puck a place where you want to live and you and your kid can make friends and do fun things outside if school. Both schools are good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/data/LAR-charts/IB-Exam-by-Subject.html

You're welcome

You'll see that it is the specific teacher for specific subjects that matter more than the school program itself.

Not being snarky...but I really do not see how the chart shows me that at all.

Most schools have only one teacher for each IB course. The teacher may teach multiple sections, but generally there is one. For IB Biology, the mean IB score at RM is a 5.2. At BCC it's a 4.2. At BCC, the mean physics score is a 5.0; it's a 5.3 at RM. Their english scores are equivalent.

So yeah, RM seems to be generally better in all areas.

Personally, I think this difference is more a function of the fact that to get into RM, you have to take a test. Only the people who do very well on the test are selected to go to RM. Thus, those at RM tend to do better on IB tests. By contrast, at BCC there are kids who are in full IB taking tests, kids who are just taking a 1 or 2 IB classes, etc. for the vast majority of kids who are decent test-takers in the IB program, there is, I would be willing to bet, not a significant difference between their test scores and RM.

RM is good. BCC is good. Puck a place where you want to live and you and your kid can make friends and do fun things outside if school. Both schools are good.

What? That is not true. My kid is in the RMIB right now and there was no test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/data/LAR-charts/IB-Exam-by-Subject.html

You're welcome

You'll see that it is the specific teacher for specific subjects that matter more than the school program itself.

Not being snarky...but I really do not see how the chart shows me that at all.

Most schools have only one teacher for each IB course. The teacher may teach multiple sections, but generally there is one. For IB Biology, the mean IB score at RM is a 5.2. At BCC it's a 4.2. At BCC, the mean physics score is a 5.0; it's a 5.3 at RM. Their english scores are equivalent.

So yeah, RM seems to be generally better in all areas.

Personally, I think this difference is more a function of the fact that to get into RM, you have to take a test. Only the people who do very well on the test are selected to go to RM. Thus, those at RM tend to do better on IB tests. By contrast, at BCC there are kids who are in full IB taking tests, kids who are just taking a 1 or 2 IB classes, etc. for the vast majority of kids who are decent test-takers in the IB program, there is, I would be willing to bet, not a significant difference between their test scores and RM.

RM is good. BCC is good. Puck a place where you want to live and you and your kid can make friends and do fun things outside if school. Both schools are good.

What? That is not true. My kid is in the RMIB right now and there was no test.

I believe that every class before the 2025 graduating class had to take the Cogat as part of the admissions process -- so the IB test results currently reported are all based on kids who took the Cogat. I don't think that the cogat has anything at all in common with an IB assessment, so I don't agree with PP's point, but it is accurate that the kids who have received the diploma to date took a test to get into RMIB. They ditched the test during the pandemic because they didn't want all those kids in a room, and have not brought it back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a ridiculous “discussion” sorry OP

yes, someone comparing private IB to a public magnet in a large public.

I think OP's question was answered in pg 1 of the thread.

Summary:

RMIB is better; has a high diploma rate; peer group is more higher achieving. The students start their magnet level classes (not IB, but magnet level) in 9th grade; example, RMS English is only open to RMIB magnet students.

BCC's program starts in 11th grade. 9th and 10th grades have classes with everyone else.

What do RMIB students do for 9th and 10th grade? The Diploma Program starts in 11th.

There are specific courses in 9th/10th that are only available to IB magnet students, like RMS English 9. They also take several AP classes.

Again, the program only has 100 seats and there are 8,000 potential applicants so odds are very slim of getting admitted..

Again, unless you have an extremely advanced kid who is strong all around. Those of us who do, know when we have a kid who has an extremely high chance of getting accepted.

Again, many highly qualified kids are rejected every year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/data/LAR-charts/IB-Exam-by-Subject.html

You're welcome

You'll see that it is the specific teacher for specific subjects that matter more than the school program itself.

Not being snarky...but I really do not see how the chart shows me that at all.

Most schools have only one teacher for each IB course. The teacher may teach multiple sections, but generally there is one. For IB Biology, the mean IB score at RM is a 5.2. At BCC it's a 4.2. At BCC, the mean physics score is a 5.0; it's a 5.3 at RM. Their english scores are equivalent.

So yeah, RM seems to be generally better in all areas.

Personally, I think this difference is more a function of the fact that to get into RM, you have to take a test. Only the people who do very well on the test are selected to go to RM. Thus, those at RM tend to do better on IB tests. By contrast, at BCC there are kids who are in full IB taking tests, kids who are just taking a 1 or 2 IB classes, etc. for the vast majority of kids who are decent test-takers in the IB program, there is, I would be willing to bet, not a significant difference between their test scores and RM.

RM is good. BCC is good. Puck a place where you want to live and you and your kid can make friends and do fun things outside if school. Both schools are good.

What? That is not true. My kid is in the RMIB right now and there was no test.

I believe that every class before the 2025 graduating class had to take the Cogat as part of the admissions process -- so the IB test results currently reported are all based on kids who took the Cogat. I don't think that the cogat has anything at all in common with an IB assessment, so I don't agree with PP's point, but it is accurate that the kids who have received the diploma to date took a test to get into RMIB. They ditched the test during the pandemic because they didn't want all those kids in a room, and have not brought it back.

So, perfect natural experiment - let’s check back in 4 years and compare IB scores to 4 years earlier and see if stacking the IB program with kids who test well improve IB scores? Of course, if the scores go down a bit everyone will yell that dropping the test allowed MCPS to put “less qualified” kids in the program, which IMO, as long time test prep tutor, is not the right conclusion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/data/LAR-charts/IB-Exam-by-Subject.html

You're welcome

You'll see that it is the specific teacher for specific subjects that matter more than the school program itself.

Not being snarky...but I really do not see how the chart shows me that at all.

Most schools have only one teacher for each IB course. The teacher may teach multiple sections, but generally there is one. For IB Biology, the mean IB score at RM is a 5.2. At BCC it's a 4.2. At BCC, the mean physics score is a 5.0; it's a 5.3 at RM. Their english scores are equivalent.

So yeah, RM seems to be generally better in all areas.

Personally, I think this difference is more a function of the fact that to get into RM, you have to take a test. Only the people who do very well on the test are selected to go to RM. Thus, those at RM tend to do better on IB tests. By contrast, at BCC there are kids who are in full IB taking tests, kids who are just taking a 1 or 2 IB classes, etc. for the vast majority of kids who are decent test-takers in the IB program, there is, I would be willing to bet, not a significant difference between their test scores and RM.

RM is good. BCC is good. Puck a place where you want to live and you and your kid can make friends and do fun things outside if school. Both schools are good.

What? That is not true. My kid is in the RMIB right now and there was no test.

I believe that every class before the 2025 graduating class had to take the Cogat as part of the admissions process -- so the IB test results currently reported are all based on kids who took the Cogat. I don't think that the cogat has anything at all in common with an IB assessment, so I don't agree with PP's point, but it is accurate that the kids who have received the diploma to date took a test to get into RMIB. They ditched the test during the pandemic because they didn't want all those kids in a room, and have not brought it back.

So, perfect natural experiment - let’s check back in 4 years and compare IB scores to 4 years earlier and see if stacking the IB program with kids who test well improve IB scores? Of course, if the scores go down a bit everyone will yell that dropping the test allowed MCPS to put “less qualified” kids in the program, which IMO, as long time test prep tutor, is not the right conclusion.

Or whether stacking the IB program with kids whose parents paid for cogoat prep versus smarter kids whose parents can't afford that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a ridiculous “discussion” sorry OP

yes, someone comparing private IB to a public magnet in a large public.

I think OP's question was answered in pg 1 of the thread.

Summary:

RMIB is better; has a high diploma rate; peer group is more higher achieving. The students start their magnet level classes (not IB, but magnet level) in 9th grade; example, RMS English is only open to RMIB magnet students.

BCC's program starts in 11th grade. 9th and 10th grades have classes with everyone else.

What do RMIB students do for 9th and 10th grade? The Diploma Program starts in 11th.

There are specific courses in 9th/10th that are only available to IB magnet students, like RMS English 9. They also take several AP classes.

Again, the program only has 100 seats and there are 8,000 potential applicants so odds are very slim of getting admitted..

Again, unless you have an extremely advanced kid who is strong all around. Those of us who do, know when we have a kid who has an extremely high chance of getting accepted.

The world is more random than you apparently believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a ridiculous “discussion” sorry OP

yes, someone comparing private IB to a public magnet in a large public.

I think OP's question was answered in pg 1 of the thread.

Summary:

RMIB is better; has a high diploma rate; peer group is more higher achieving. The students start their magnet level classes (not IB, but magnet level) in 9th grade; example, RMS English is only open to RMIB magnet students.

BCC's program starts in 11th grade. 9th and 10th grades have classes with everyone else.

What do RMIB students do for 9th and 10th grade? The Diploma Program starts in 11th.

There are specific courses in 9th/10th that are only available to IB magnet students, like RMS English 9. They also take several AP classes.

Again, the program only has 100 seats and there are 8,000 potential applicants so odds are very slim of getting admitted..

Again, unless you have an extremely advanced kid who is strong all around. Those of us who do, know when we have a kid who has an extremely high chance of getting accepted.

Again, many highly qualified kids are rejected every year.

I’m sorry your kid got rejected. My kid found it very easy to get accepted (and turned it down, btw) and I had no doubt he would be offered a place. Like I said, those of us with very advanced kids know. I also don’t think it was very difficult for him to get a place.