Sullivan — deliberately misleading

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

I literally live a few miles up Goshen. I drive by there multiple times a day. I often see the residents walking around inside their fenced in community. I do not see them walking around outside the fence.

So, "leaving the house" is obviously a euphuism. They do leave their houses. They do not leave the safety of their fenced community.

As as you point out, the feeling of safety is subjective. If these crime stats mirror your own neighborhood (though I doubt they do; the numbers I share are probably only 10-15% of the crime in that area), then I would not feel safe in your neighborhood.

And I'll be fully honest. I live in Montgomery Village, a place often disparaged for high crime. Do you know how many assaults I've had in my immediate neighborhood in the past 6 months? Zero. I do feel safe here.

I would not feel safe near Asbury

In the apartment and shopping center near where I live there absolutely have been multiple assaults in the past six months. There is direct access to the shopping center from my neighborhood (maybe 250 ft from my house), and the apartments are less than half a mile away from our house. Yet, there are numerous families that live here, that walk around outside, walk to the shopping center with young children. I walk there at least twice a week. Why would we risk our safety like this? Our children's safety? Because the assaults are not targeting random strangers and what seems like a lot of assaults to you over 6 months, is not actually a daily or even weekly occurence that would make me want to lock myself in my house.

Ok, time to put your money where your mouth is. I told you I lived in Montgomery Village (east village, to be specific).

Where are you? You're saying your community is the same as the neighborhoods around Asbury and you feel perfectly safe? Prove it

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The Montgomery County Council Public Safety Committee was told Tuesday that there were 32 homicides and 67 carjackings in 2021. The numbers reflect an 88% increase in homicides and 72% increase in carjackings.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/01/homicides-carjackings-up-in-montgomery-county/

I voted for Sullivan.

If you give a damn about your family, friends and neighbors, then you should too.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

I literally live a few miles up Goshen. I drive by there multiple times a day. I often see the residents walking around inside their fenced in community. I do not see them walking around outside the fence.

So, "leaving the house" is obviously a euphuism. They do leave their houses. They do not leave the safety of their fenced community.

As as you point out, the feeling of safety is subjective. If these crime stats mirror your own neighborhood (though I doubt they do; the numbers I share are probably only 10-15% of the crime in that area), then I would not feel safe in your neighborhood.

And I'll be fully honest. I live in Montgomery Village, a place often disparaged for high crime. Do you know how many assaults I've had in my immediate neighborhood in the past 6 months? Zero. I do feel safe here.

I would not feel safe near Asbury

In the apartment and shopping center near where I live there absolutely have been multiple assaults in the past six months. There is direct access to the shopping center from my neighborhood (maybe 250 ft from my house), and the apartments are less than half a mile away from our house. Yet, there are numerous families that live here, that walk around outside, walk to the shopping center with young children. I walk there at least twice a week. Why would we risk our safety like this? Our children's safety? Because the assaults are not targeting random strangers and what seems like a lot of assaults to you over 6 months, is not actually a daily or even weekly occurence that would make me want to lock myself in my house.

Ok, time to put your money where your mouth is. I told you I lived in Montgomery Village (east village, to be specific).

Where are you? You're saying your community is the same as the neighborhoods around Asbury and you feel perfectly safe? Prove it

I live near Wheaton Plaza

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

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Anonymous wrote:The Montgomery County Council Public Safety Committee was told Tuesday that there were 32 homicides and 67 carjackings in 2021. The numbers reflect an 88% increase in homicides and 72% increase in carjackings.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/01/homicides-carjackings-up-in-montgomery-county/

I voted for Sullivan.

If you give a damn about your family, friends and neighbors, then you should too.

You're talking about trends that are the case nationally. Much as I dislike Elrich, he's not the driving force behind the increases in crime.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

That was me and I absolutely did not say there is no crime near Asbury. I said there is no crime IN Asbury. Stop misrepresenting what I said. Sullivan said people are afraid to leave their houses. Y'all say, well CLEARLY they meant their neighborhood. GTFOOH. He was embellishing. If he even talked to more than one person which is doubtful.

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Anonymous wrote:The Montgomery County Council Public Safety Committee was told Tuesday that there were 32 homicides and 67 carjackings in 2021. The numbers reflect an 88% increase in homicides and 72% increase in carjackings.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/01/homicides-carjackings-up-in-montgomery-county/

I voted for Sullivan.

If you give a damn about your family, friends and neighbors, then you should too.

You're talking about trends that are the case nationally. Much as I dislike Elrich, he's not the driving force behind the increases in crime.

That's such a cop-out.

Sure, he's not behind the increase nationally, but that doesn't mean he can't do things to stop it locally.

Imagine if you applied this logic to other issues:

"Sexual assaults are up across the country, it makes no sense to teach our boys about consent when its a national problem"

"Climate change is occurring across the globe. Why should we use green technology when its a national and global problem"

Yeah, sure, crime is up across the country. But we should still try to stop it locally

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

That was me and I absolutely did not say there is no crime near Asbury. I said there is no crime IN Asbury. Stop misrepresenting what I said. Sullivan said people are afraid to leave their houses. Y'all say, well CLEARLY they meant their neighborhood. GTFOOH. He was embellishing. If he even talked to more than one person which is doubtful.

You're so full of crap, its out of control

Of course he meant the surrounding community. And did you really expect people to go look for the crime inside their gated community and ignore the crime that's happening literally directly on the other side of their fence.

Community doesnt mean just what's on their property. The properties adjacent and surround your property is also a part of the community.

You just didn't think anyone would call your bluff and go look at the crime map

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

That was me and I absolutely did not say there is no crime near Asbury. I said there is no crime IN Asbury. Stop misrepresenting what I said. Sullivan said people are afraid to leave their houses. Y'all say, well CLEARLY they meant their neighborhood. GTFOOH. He was embellishing. If he even talked to more than one person which is doubtful.

You're so full of crap, its out of control

Of course he meant the surrounding community. And did you really expect people to go look for the crime inside their gated community and ignore the crime that's happening literally directly on the other side of their fence.

Community doesnt mean just what's on their property. The properties adjacent and surround your property is also a part of the community.

You just didn't think anyone would call your bluff and go look at the crime map

He didn't say community, he said HOUSES. Good lord you are full of it. And it's obvious because when you quote me you can't actually do so accurately and make your point, so you change the words.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Montgomery County Council Public Safety Committee was told Tuesday that there were 32 homicides and 67 carjackings in 2021. The numbers reflect an 88% increase in homicides and 72% increase in carjackings.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/01/homicides-carjackings-up-in-montgomery-county/

I voted for Sullivan.

If you give a damn about your family, friends and neighbors, then you should too.

You're talking about trends that are the case nationally. Much as I dislike Elrich, he's not the driving force behind the increases in crime.

That's such a cop-out.

Sure, he's not behind the increase nationally, but that doesn't mean he can't do things to stop it locally.

Imagine if you applied this logic to other issues:

"Sexual assaults are up across the country, it makes no sense to teach our boys about consent when its a national problem"

"Climate change is occurring across the globe. Why should we use green technology when its a national and global problem"

Yeah, sure, crime is up across the country. But we should still try to stop it locally

I didn't realize Elrich had actually given up on stopping crime. I guess all the people I see out there dressed as police officers every day are just randos in costume and fake police cars.

GTFOOH, you know very well you are blaming Elrich for the increase in crime. According to your ilk, crime is increasing SOLELY because of BLM and Elrich bowing to their demands. Nothing else at all is going on. Please.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

That was me and I absolutely did not say there is no crime near Asbury. I said there is no crime IN Asbury. Stop misrepresenting what I said. Sullivan said people are afraid to leave their houses. Y'all say, well CLEARLY they meant their neighborhood. GTFOOH. He was embellishing. If he even talked to more than one person which is doubtful.

You're so full of crap, its out of control

Of course he meant the surrounding community. And did you really expect people to go look for the crime inside their gated community and ignore the crime that's happening literally directly on the other side of their fence.

Community doesnt mean just what's on their property. The properties adjacent and surround your property is also a part of the community.

You just didn't think anyone would call your bluff and go look at the crime map

He didn't say community, he said HOUSES. Good lord you are full of it. And it's obvious because when you quote me you can't actually do so accurately and make your point, so you change the words.

You are the one accusing someone of using “racist dog whistles” and embellishing on someone’s statements (you have misquoted him multiple times), but it’s you who are doing both of those things. You are making yourself look quite stupid and doing your political point zero favors.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

That was me and I absolutely did not say there is no crime near Asbury. I said there is no crime IN Asbury. Stop misrepresenting what I said. Sullivan said people are afraid to leave their houses. Y'all say, well CLEARLY they meant their neighborhood. GTFOOH. He was embellishing. If he even talked to more than one person which is doubtful.

You're so full of crap, its out of control

Of course he meant the surrounding community. And did you really expect people to go look for the crime inside their gated community and ignore the crime that's happening literally directly on the other side of their fence.

Community doesnt mean just what's on their property. The properties adjacent and surround your property is also a part of the community.

You just didn't think anyone would call your bluff and go look at the crime map

He didn't say community, he said HOUSES. Good lord you are full of it. And it's obvious because when you quote me you can't actually do so accurately and make your point, so you change the words.

You are the one that said 'community'. You do know that community includes your surrounding streets. Like, the house across the street from me is a part of the community.

So, when the people in the Asbury community look at the crime, its pretty normal for them to look at the crime that is occurring them. And when you said, there is no crime in the Asbury community, its also reasonable to include the houses and buildings on the other side of the street of the Asbury condo tower.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

That was me and I absolutely did not say there is no crime near Asbury. I said there is no crime IN Asbury. Stop misrepresenting what I said. Sullivan said people are afraid to leave their houses. Y'all say, well CLEARLY they meant their neighborhood. GTFOOH. He was embellishing. If he even talked to more than one person which is doubtful.

You're so full of crap, its out of control

Of course he meant the surrounding community. And did you really expect people to go look for the crime inside their gated community and ignore the crime that's happening literally directly on the other side of their fence.

Community doesnt mean just what's on their property. The properties adjacent and surround your property is also a part of the community.

You just didn't think anyone would call your bluff and go look at the crime map

He didn't say community, he said HOUSES. Good lord you are full of it. And it's obvious because when you quote me you can't actually do so accurately and make your point, so you change the words.

You are the one accusing someone of using “racist dog whistles” and embellishing on someone’s statements (you have misquoted him multiple times), but it’s you who are doing both of those things. You are making yourself look quite stupid and doing your political point zero favors.

Ah, we've reached the point of calling each other stupid. Lovely. Enjoy the next week of imagining that Sullivan could win. But you think I am stupid. lol.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

That was me and I absolutely did not say there is no crime near Asbury. I said there is no crime IN Asbury. Stop misrepresenting what I said. Sullivan said people are afraid to leave their houses. Y'all say, well CLEARLY they meant their neighborhood. GTFOOH. He was embellishing. If he even talked to more than one person which is doubtful.

You're so full of crap, its out of control

Of course he meant the surrounding community. And did you really expect people to go look for the crime inside their gated community and ignore the crime that's happening literally directly on the other side of their fence.

Community doesnt mean just what's on their property. The properties adjacent and surround your property is also a part of the community.

You just didn't think anyone would call your bluff and go look at the crime map

He didn't say community, he said HOUSES. Good lord you are full of it. And it's obvious because when you quote me you can't actually do so accurately and make your point, so you change the words.

You are the one that said 'community'. You do know that community includes your surrounding streets. Like, the house across the street from me is a part of the community.

So, when the people in the Asbury community look at the crime, its pretty normal for them to look at the crime that is occurring them. And when you said, there is no crime in the Asbury community, its also reasonable to include the houses and buildings on the other side of the street of the Asbury condo tower.

I didn't say community. Stop lying.