Sullivan — deliberately misleading

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

It’s unsafe for Black and brown young men in particular. They are overwhelmingly the most common violence victims. Like the Magruder shooting victim that nobody cares about. This county would go nuclear on violence if a Churchill kid were shot in the school bathroom.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

That was me and I absolutely did not say there is no crime near Asbury. I said there is no crime IN Asbury. Stop misrepresenting what I said. Sullivan said people are afraid to leave their houses. Y'all say, well CLEARLY they meant their neighborhood. GTFOOH. He was embellishing. If he even talked to more than one person which is doubtful.

You're so full of crap, its out of control

Of course he meant the surrounding community. And did you really expect people to go look for the crime inside their gated community and ignore the crime that's happening literally directly on the other side of their fence.

Community doesnt mean just what's on their property. The properties adjacent and surround your property is also a part of the community.

You just didn't think anyone would call your bluff and go look at the crime map

He didn't say community, he said HOUSES. Good lord you are full of it. And it's obvious because when you quote me you can't actually do so accurately and make your point, so you change the words.

You are the one accusing someone of using “racist dog whistles” and embellishing on someone’s statements (you have misquoted him multiple times), but it’s you who are doing both of those things. You are making yourself look quite stupid and doing your political point zero favors.

+1.

It's pretty ironic that this thread is accusing Sullivan of being misleading when this poster is essentially saying "Look and see if there is crime at this one specific address. You'll see that there isn't any......but pay NO attention to that crime that is occurring right next to, and behind, and across from said address"

FFS, in the same thread, we have people defending Elrich by saying both "there's not an abundance of crime in the community" AND "crime increase is a national trend, and not the current CE's fault"

Come on guys. Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining

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I'm having trouble following. When Sullivan says "house" he means community, so Asbury residents are actually saying they can't leave their community. But community also "includes your surrounding streets" which apparently are dystopic hellholes. Yet they can't leave the hellhole since it is their house which is the same thing as their community. Okay, that makes sense.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

That was me and I absolutely did not say there is no crime near Asbury. I said there is no crime IN Asbury. Stop misrepresenting what I said. Sullivan said people are afraid to leave their houses. Y'all say, well CLEARLY they meant their neighborhood. GTFOOH. He was embellishing. If he even talked to more than one person which is doubtful.

You're so full of crap, its out of control

Of course he meant the surrounding community. And did you really expect people to go look for the crime inside their gated community and ignore the crime that's happening literally directly on the other side of their fence.

Community doesnt mean just what's on their property. The properties adjacent and surround your property is also a part of the community.

You just didn't think anyone would call your bluff and go look at the crime map

He didn't say community, he said HOUSES. Good lord you are full of it. And it's obvious because when you quote me you can't actually do so accurately and make your point, so you change the words.

You are the one accusing someone of using “racist dog whistles” and embellishing on someone’s statements (you have misquoted him multiple times), but it’s you who are doing both of those things. You are making yourself look quite stupid and doing your political point zero favors.

+1.

It's pretty ironic that this thread is accusing Sullivan of being misleading when this poster is essentially saying "Look and see if there is crime at this one specific address. You'll see that there isn't any......but pay NO attention to that crime that is occurring right next to, and behind, and across from said address"

FFS, in the same thread, we have people defending Elrich by saying both "there's not an abundance of crime in the community" AND "crime increase is a national trend, and not the current CE's fault"

Come on guys. Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining

I mean Asbury is a pretty large area, and no there isn't much crime in that large area. Again, I live adjacent to addresses with a lot of crime. It doesn't make my neighborhood feel unsafe. As to the point about Black and Brown men, that is a good point, they do deserve better, which is why there has been a push to reform police so that they can better work with these communities instead of harassing them, which protects nobody. You will say, no, they are not being harassed, and that is because you don't believe what Black and Brown people are saying.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

That was me and I absolutely did not say there is no crime near Asbury. I said there is no crime IN Asbury. Stop misrepresenting what I said. Sullivan said people are afraid to leave their houses. Y'all say, well CLEARLY they meant their neighborhood. GTFOOH. He was embellishing. If he even talked to more than one person which is doubtful.

You're so full of crap, its out of control

Of course he meant the surrounding community. And did you really expect people to go look for the crime inside their gated community and ignore the crime that's happening literally directly on the other side of their fence.

Community doesnt mean just what's on their property. The properties adjacent and surround your property is also a part of the community.

You just didn't think anyone would call your bluff and go look at the crime map

He didn't say community, he said HOUSES. Good lord you are full of it. And it's obvious because when you quote me you can't actually do so accurately and make your point, so you change the words.

You are the one accusing someone of using “racist dog whistles” and embellishing on someone’s statements (you have misquoted him multiple times), but it’s you who are doing both of those things. You are making yourself look quite stupid and doing your political point zero favors.

+1.

It's pretty ironic that this thread is accusing Sullivan of being misleading when this poster is essentially saying "Look and see if there is crime at this one specific address. You'll see that there isn't any......but pay NO attention to that crime that is occurring right next to, and behind, and across from said address"

FFS, in the same thread, we have people defending Elrich by saying both "there's not an abundance of crime in the community" AND "crime increase is a national trend, and not the current CE's fault"

Come on guys. Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining

Lol +1000. There probably are arguments to be made against Sullivan. That poster is not making them. She’s posting misleading statements in order to prove someone else is misleading. It’s also very odd how defensive she is of gang violence.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

That was me and I absolutely did not say there is no crime near Asbury. I said there is no crime IN Asbury. Stop misrepresenting what I said. Sullivan said people are afraid to leave their houses. Y'all say, well CLEARLY they meant their neighborhood. GTFOOH. He was embellishing. If he even talked to more than one person which is doubtful.

You're so full of crap, its out of control

Of course he meant the surrounding community. And did you really expect people to go look for the crime inside their gated community and ignore the crime that's happening literally directly on the other side of their fence.

Community doesnt mean just what's on their property. The properties adjacent and surround your property is also a part of the community.

You just didn't think anyone would call your bluff and go look at the crime map

He didn't say community, he said HOUSES. Good lord you are full of it. And it's obvious because when you quote me you can't actually do so accurately and make your point, so you change the words.

You are the one that said 'community'. You do know that community includes your surrounding streets. Like, the house across the street from me is a part of the community.

So, when the people in the Asbury community look at the crime, its pretty normal for them to look at the crime that is occurring them. And when you said, there is no crime in the Asbury community, its also reasonable to include the houses and buildings on the other side of the street of the Asbury condo tower.

I didn't say community. Stop lying.

Well, since we're all anonymous here, I don't know for sure if its actually 'you' but the person that started this line of discussion began by posting ths:

"And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any."

You can very clearly see the word 'Community.' The people in Asbury are worried about crime in their community. Their community includes more than just the Asbury grounds

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

That was me and I absolutely did not say there is no crime near Asbury. I said there is no crime IN Asbury. Stop misrepresenting what I said. Sullivan said people are afraid to leave their houses. Y'all say, well CLEARLY they meant their neighborhood. GTFOOH. He was embellishing. If he even talked to more than one person which is doubtful.

You're so full of crap, its out of control

Of course he meant the surrounding community. And did you really expect people to go look for the crime inside their gated community and ignore the crime that's happening literally directly on the other side of their fence.

Community doesnt mean just what's on their property. The properties adjacent and surround your property is also a part of the community.

You just didn't think anyone would call your bluff and go look at the crime map

He didn't say community, he said HOUSES. Good lord you are full of it. And it's obvious because when you quote me you can't actually do so accurately and make your point, so you change the words.

You are the one that said 'community'. You do know that community includes your surrounding streets. Like, the house across the street from me is a part of the community.

So, when the people in the Asbury community look at the crime, its pretty normal for them to look at the crime that is occurring them. And when you said, there is no crime in the Asbury community, its also reasonable to include the houses and buildings on the other side of the street of the Asbury condo tower.

I didn't say community. Stop lying.

Well, since we're all anonymous here, I don't know for sure if its actually 'you' but the person that started this line of discussion began by posting ths:

"And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any."

You can very clearly see the word 'Community.' The people in Asbury are worried about crime in their community. Their community includes more than just the Asbury grounds

Sorry, again I am having trouble following. I thought they were afraid to leave their houses which means the same thing as community. Yet the community includes more than just the Asbury grounds according to you. So what exactly are they afraid to leave? Their actual houses? Or their "community"?

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

That was me and I absolutely did not say there is no crime near Asbury. I said there is no crime IN Asbury. Stop misrepresenting what I said. Sullivan said people are afraid to leave their houses. Y'all say, well CLEARLY they meant their neighborhood. GTFOOH. He was embellishing. If he even talked to more than one person which is doubtful.

You're so full of crap, its out of control

Of course he meant the surrounding community. And did you really expect people to go look for the crime inside their gated community and ignore the crime that's happening literally directly on the other side of their fence.

Community doesnt mean just what's on their property. The properties adjacent and surround your property is also a part of the community.

You just didn't think anyone would call your bluff and go look at the crime map

He didn't say community, he said HOUSES. Good lord you are full of it. And it's obvious because when you quote me you can't actually do so accurately and make your point, so you change the words.

You are the one accusing someone of using “racist dog whistles” and embellishing on someone’s statements (you have misquoted him multiple times), but it’s you who are doing both of those things. You are making yourself look quite stupid and doing your political point zero favors.

+1.

It's pretty ironic that this thread is accusing Sullivan of being misleading when this poster is essentially saying "Look and see if there is crime at this one specific address. You'll see that there isn't any......but pay NO attention to that crime that is occurring right next to, and behind, and across from said address"

FFS, in the same thread, we have people defending Elrich by saying both "there's not an abundance of crime in the community" AND "crime increase is a national trend, and not the current CE's fault"

Come on guys. Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining

I mean Asbury is a pretty large area, and no there isn't much crime in that large area. Again, I live adjacent to addresses with a lot of crime. It doesn't make my neighborhood feel unsafe. As to the point about Black and Brown men, that is a good point, they do deserve better, which is why there has been a push to reform police so that they can better work with these communities instead of harassing them, which protects nobody. You will say, no, they are not being harassed, and that is because you don't believe what Black and Brown people are saying.

Ummmm are you the poster who doesn’t believe that Sullivan heard from Asbury residents that they are concerned about crime?

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

That was me and I absolutely did not say there is no crime near Asbury. I said there is no crime IN Asbury. Stop misrepresenting what I said. Sullivan said people are afraid to leave their houses. Y'all say, well CLEARLY they meant their neighborhood. GTFOOH. He was embellishing. If he even talked to more than one person which is doubtful.

You're so full of crap, its out of control

Of course he meant the surrounding community. And did you really expect people to go look for the crime inside their gated community and ignore the crime that's happening literally directly on the other side of their fence.

Community doesnt mean just what's on their property. The properties adjacent and surround your property is also a part of the community.

You just didn't think anyone would call your bluff and go look at the crime map

He didn't say community, he said HOUSES. Good lord you are full of it. And it's obvious because when you quote me you can't actually do so accurately and make your point, so you change the words.

You are the one accusing someone of using “racist dog whistles” and embellishing on someone’s statements (you have misquoted him multiple times), but it’s you who are doing both of those things. You are making yourself look quite stupid and doing your political point zero favors.

+1.

It's pretty ironic that this thread is accusing Sullivan of being misleading when this poster is essentially saying "Look and see if there is crime at this one specific address. You'll see that there isn't any......but pay NO attention to that crime that is occurring right next to, and behind, and across from said address"

FFS, in the same thread, we have people defending Elrich by saying both "there's not an abundance of crime in the community" AND "crime increase is a national trend, and not the current CE's fault"

Come on guys. Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining

I mean Asbury is a pretty large area, and no there isn't much crime in that large area. Again, I live adjacent to addresses with a lot of crime. It doesn't make my neighborhood feel unsafe. As to the point about Black and Brown men, that is a good point, they do deserve better, which is why there has been a push to reform police so that they can better work with these communities instead of harassing them, which protects nobody. You will say, no, they are not being harassed, and that is because you don't believe what Black and Brown people are saying.

No. Don't think you know me, or what I think.

I absolutely think police reform is needed. and I hope and pray that the changes to marijuana law pass (Question 4) due to the impacts its had on people of color.

But I'm also not going to pretend that those areas don't have crime. It does no good to stick our head in the sands. I pulled those assault numbers and omitted the drug offenses for a reason.

I do believe what black and brown people are saying. Reardon Sullivan being one of those black men, fwiw

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

That was me and I absolutely did not say there is no crime near Asbury. I said there is no crime IN Asbury. Stop misrepresenting what I said. Sullivan said people are afraid to leave their houses. Y'all say, well CLEARLY they meant their neighborhood. GTFOOH. He was embellishing. If he even talked to more than one person which is doubtful.

You're so full of crap, its out of control

Of course he meant the surrounding community. And did you really expect people to go look for the crime inside their gated community and ignore the crime that's happening literally directly on the other side of their fence.

Community doesnt mean just what's on their property. The properties adjacent and surround your property is also a part of the community.

You just didn't think anyone would call your bluff and go look at the crime map

He didn't say community, he said HOUSES. Good lord you are full of it. And it's obvious because when you quote me you can't actually do so accurately and make your point, so you change the words.

You are the one accusing someone of using “racist dog whistles” and embellishing on someone’s statements (you have misquoted him multiple times), but it’s you who are doing both of those things. You are making yourself look quite stupid and doing your political point zero favors.

+1.

It's pretty ironic that this thread is accusing Sullivan of being misleading when this poster is essentially saying "Look and see if there is crime at this one specific address. You'll see that there isn't any......but pay NO attention to that crime that is occurring right next to, and behind, and across from said address"

FFS, in the same thread, we have people defending Elrich by saying both "there's not an abundance of crime in the community" AND "crime increase is a national trend, and not the current CE's fault"

Come on guys. Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining

I mean Asbury is a pretty large area, and no there isn't much crime in that large area. Again, I live adjacent to addresses with a lot of crime. It doesn't make my neighborhood feel unsafe. As to the point about Black and Brown men, that is a good point, they do deserve better, which is why there has been a push to reform police so that they can better work with these communities instead of harassing them, which protects nobody. You will say, no, they are not being harassed, and that is because you don't believe what Black and Brown people are saying.

NP here.

But I want to add: bragging about how safe you feel despite your neighborhood having a lot of crime is not the flex you think it is

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Anonymous wrote:If you thought the Democrats for Sully sign was bad, come to my neighborhood where there is a Democrats for Cox sign.

Democrats almost completely funded Cox’s primary campaign. Why wouldn’t they support him in the general?

Because Dems know he is a Racist POS. Fixed it for you. Easy. And an NAZI oh and for kickers an Election Denier which he should not be able to run for office.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

That was me and I absolutely did not say there is no crime near Asbury. I said there is no crime IN Asbury. Stop misrepresenting what I said. Sullivan said people are afraid to leave their houses. Y'all say, well CLEARLY they meant their neighborhood. GTFOOH. He was embellishing. If he even talked to more than one person which is doubtful.

You're so full of crap, its out of control

Of course he meant the surrounding community. And did you really expect people to go look for the crime inside their gated community and ignore the crime that's happening literally directly on the other side of their fence.

Community doesnt mean just what's on their property. The properties adjacent and surround your property is also a part of the community.

You just didn't think anyone would call your bluff and go look at the crime map

He didn't say community, he said HOUSES. Good lord you are full of it. And it's obvious because when you quote me you can't actually do so accurately and make your point, so you change the words.

You are the one accusing someone of using “racist dog whistles” and embellishing on someone’s statements (you have misquoted him multiple times), but it’s you who are doing both of those things. You are making yourself look quite stupid and doing your political point zero favors.

+1.

It's pretty ironic that this thread is accusing Sullivan of being misleading when this poster is essentially saying "Look and see if there is crime at this one specific address. You'll see that there isn't any......but pay NO attention to that crime that is occurring right next to, and behind, and across from said address"

FFS, in the same thread, we have people defending Elrich by saying both "there's not an abundance of crime in the community" AND "crime increase is a national trend, and not the current CE's fault"

Come on guys. Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining

I mean Asbury is a pretty large area, and no there isn't much crime in that large area. Again, I live adjacent to addresses with a lot of crime. It doesn't make my neighborhood feel unsafe. As to the point about Black and Brown men, that is a good point, they do deserve better, which is why there has been a push to reform police so that they can better work with these communities instead of harassing them, which protects nobody. You will say, no, they are not being harassed, and that is because you don't believe what Black and Brown people are saying.

No. Don't think you know me, or what I think.

I absolutely think police reform is needed. and I hope and pray that the changes to marijuana law pass (Question 4) due to the impacts its had on people of color.

But I'm also not going to pretend that those areas don't have crime. It does no good to stick our head in the sands. I pulled those assault numbers and omitted the drug offenses for a reason.

I do believe what black and brown people are saying. Reardon Sullivan being one of those black men, fwiw

Please feel free to share what Reardon Sullivan has said about his own experiences with police.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

That was me and I absolutely did not say there is no crime near Asbury. I said there is no crime IN Asbury. Stop misrepresenting what I said. Sullivan said people are afraid to leave their houses. Y'all say, well CLEARLY they meant their neighborhood. GTFOOH. He was embellishing. If he even talked to more than one person which is doubtful.

You're so full of crap, its out of control

Of course he meant the surrounding community. And did you really expect people to go look for the crime inside their gated community and ignore the crime that's happening literally directly on the other side of their fence.

Community doesnt mean just what's on their property. The properties adjacent and surround your property is also a part of the community.

You just didn't think anyone would call your bluff and go look at the crime map

He didn't say community, he said HOUSES. Good lord you are full of it. And it's obvious because when you quote me you can't actually do so accurately and make your point, so you change the words.

You are the one accusing someone of using “racist dog whistles” and embellishing on someone’s statements (you have misquoted him multiple times), but it’s you who are doing both of those things. You are making yourself look quite stupid and doing your political point zero favors.

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It's pretty ironic that this thread is accusing Sullivan of being misleading when this poster is essentially saying "Look and see if there is crime at this one specific address. You'll see that there isn't any......but pay NO attention to that crime that is occurring right next to, and behind, and across from said address"

FFS, in the same thread, we have people defending Elrich by saying both "there's not an abundance of crime in the community" AND "crime increase is a national trend, and not the current CE's fault"

Come on guys. Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining

I mean Asbury is a pretty large area, and no there isn't much crime in that large area. Again, I live adjacent to addresses with a lot of crime. It doesn't make my neighborhood feel unsafe. As to the point about Black and Brown men, that is a good point, they do deserve better, which is why there has been a push to reform police so that they can better work with these communities instead of harassing them, which protects nobody. You will say, no, they are not being harassed, and that is because you don't believe what Black and Brown people are saying.

NP here.

But I want to add: bragging about how safe you feel despite your neighborhood having a lot of crime is not the flex you think it is

What gives you the impression I am bragging? You just don't like that I have undermined your point.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

That was me and I absolutely did not say there is no crime near Asbury. I said there is no crime IN Asbury. Stop misrepresenting what I said. Sullivan said people are afraid to leave their houses. Y'all say, well CLEARLY they meant their neighborhood. GTFOOH. He was embellishing. If he even talked to more than one person which is doubtful.

You're so full of crap, its out of control

Of course he meant the surrounding community. And did you really expect people to go look for the crime inside their gated community and ignore the crime that's happening literally directly on the other side of their fence.

Community doesnt mean just what's on their property. The properties adjacent and surround your property is also a part of the community.

You just didn't think anyone would call your bluff and go look at the crime map

He didn't say community, he said HOUSES. Good lord you are full of it. And it's obvious because when you quote me you can't actually do so accurately and make your point, so you change the words.

You are the one accusing someone of using “racist dog whistles” and embellishing on someone’s statements (you have misquoted him multiple times), but it’s you who are doing both of those things. You are making yourself look quite stupid and doing your political point zero favors.

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It's pretty ironic that this thread is accusing Sullivan of being misleading when this poster is essentially saying "Look and see if there is crime at this one specific address. You'll see that there isn't any......but pay NO attention to that crime that is occurring right next to, and behind, and across from said address"

FFS, in the same thread, we have people defending Elrich by saying both "there's not an abundance of crime in the community" AND "crime increase is a national trend, and not the current CE's fault"

Come on guys. Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining

I mean Asbury is a pretty large area, and no there isn't much crime in that large area. Again, I live adjacent to addresses with a lot of crime. It doesn't make my neighborhood feel unsafe. As to the point about Black and Brown men, that is a good point, they do deserve better, which is why there has been a push to reform police so that they can better work with these communities instead of harassing them, which protects nobody. You will say, no, they are not being harassed, and that is because you don't believe what Black and Brown people are saying.

NP here.

But I want to add: bragging about how safe you feel despite your neighborhood having a lot of crime is not the flex you think it is

What gives you the impression I am bragging? You just don't like that I have undermined your point.

It just came off that way.

Especially since you indicated that you feel safe bc you're not the target of the crime. But what if other people are, is it ok for them to feel unsafe?

It also just seems weird, to be honest. It's normal to feel unsafe in areas of high crime.

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Anonymous wrote:"Sully" is running around talking about how MS-13 is "taking over" the county. This is a blatant racist dog whistle intended to appeal to racist voters. He has no earthly idea what MS-13 is, where it operates and what other gangs operate in the county. He is also clearly distracting from the fact that the rise in gun violence is not just tied to overall crime increases that are happening everywhere but also to the rise of ghost guns. He DGAF about that.

I find this very troubling. Now I’m wondering what his real agenda is — since these kinds of comments suggest that he has goals that might go way beyond the upcoming election . OP

Can you guys cite anything about this? I feel like there’s one poster who keeps bringing up this MS-13 claim, but I don’t see where it’s coming from.

Thanks for questioning this. I’m here venting about a candidate that I know little about— in part because of his party affiliation. I don’t have any information beyond the concern that I Originally posted.

So I did find a quote where he claimed MS-13 was “taking over” Gaithersburg. Maybe that’s what the pp keeps referencing. (To be fair there has been quite a bit of reportedly MS-13 related crime in Gaithersburg).

He claimed people are afraid to leave their homes, they are not. Btw if you are sitting at home whining on DCUM that you don't know anything about Reardon Sullivan when you haven't even bothered to read the Bethesda Beat articles about him, you are not an informed voter and should probably just not vote in this race.

That’s not true. I am afraid to leave my house on weekend nights, whereas when I moved to MoCo twenty-odd years ago, I did not have the experience of crime invading nice residential neighborhoods.