Sullivan — deliberately misleading

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

You people are thick. The point is even though there is no crime at Asbury, people are afraid to leave to go to the movies. That is a better example of what he was referring to! OK? Lakeforest Mall was taken over by MS-13, Wheaton Mall can be dicey
, and of late crime has moved into Montgomery Mall too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a Democrat for Sully. I don’t think he’s misrepresenting himself. He was involved in many primary debates along with the Democratic candidates and it was explicitly stated (and I thought understood) that he was the leading Republican candidate.

You don’t think that a poster for a Republican candidate should mention that he’s a Republican candidate —when the word DEMOCRATS is highlighted in campaign materials? My point is that it was not “explicitly stated” on the poster that he was the leading Republican candidate, and, at least on publicly displayed campaign materials, assuming that something is “understood” by anyone who sees it is inappropriate at best and possibly deliberately deceiving.

To be clear, I would be just as concerned if the parties were reversed, or different altogether.

To add: I personally would have no problem with a “Democrats for Sully” poster — IF the poster prominently described him as the “leading Republican candidate “. I would view that as very effective marketing: I.e. Sully is so awesome that even Democrats support him. My concern is that it is not immediately clear in these materials that he’s a Republican— and I think this should be clearly and unmistakably stated in campaign materials.

Actually, we should have non partisan elections for County and City Council. Making the County a safe, prosperous, enjoyable place to live should not be a partisan issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Montgomery County Council Public Safety Committee was told Tuesday that there were 32 homicides and 67 carjackings in 2021. The numbers reflect an 88% increase in homicides and 72% increase in carjackings.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/01/homicides-carjackings-up-in-montgomery-county/

I voted for Sullivan.

If you give a damn about your family, friends and neighbors, then you should too.

You're talking about trends that are the case nationally. Much as I dislike Elrich, he's not the driving force behind the increases in crime.

No, but he’s the driving force behind the weakening of MoCo police, which was a model of national policing. Actually, it’s Jawando as much as anyone and the rest of the Council. But the fact that Blair and Sully got the FoP endorsement is important. Frankly, if you voted for Blair, you should be voting for Sully.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

You people are thick. The point is even though there is no crime at Asbury, people are afraid to leave to go to the movies. That is a better example of what he was referring to! OK? Lakeforest Mall was taken over by MS-13, Wheaton Mall can be dicey
, and of late crime has moved into Montgomery Mall too.

I go to Wheaton Mall all the time, it is not "dicey"

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

Really? Much, if any? When I look at the map I see literally dozens of incidents across the street from the community. Assault, crime, theft. Literally in the apartments across Goshen on Crestwood.

And that's just one apartment complex. You see it surrounding the area entirely

This is the last 6 months for Crestwood & Trento, and only assaults. Many drug and theft charges as well. This is LITERALLY across the street from their community

4/18 -Assault. 2nd Degree
5/30 - Assault. 2nd Degree
7/19 - Aggravated Assault with a Weapon
8/1 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/15 - Assault. 2nd Degree
10/22 - Assault. 2nd Degree

I haven't even looked at the cases in the townhouses off Girard or the Apartment on the other side of Odendhal, but at first glance, there are multiple more assaults to list. All surrounding their community

Would you feel comfortable, especially if you were more vulnerable due to age, if your block was average more than 1 assault a month? I wouldn't. And I would be asking my elected officials for help.

These are senior citizens. Try to show a little compassion

I live next to a large shopping center and down the street from apartments that have similar crime stats. I feel very safe in my neighborhood. For example, last night for Halloween I left my front door open so kids would know we had candy. Being near places that have crime in them does not mean you can't leave your house. That's absurd and again, just go to Asbury and see if you think people are hiding in their houses. That's ridiculous.

Okay, cool. You feel safer around crimes than others.

But you said ""ook at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any"

And that is simply not true. you are either misinformed or lying. Because if you do look at the map, its filled with crime. much of it violent

Exactly, I said IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY. How much violent crime has there been IN THE ASBURY COMMUNITY? Very little if any.

And no it's not shocking that seniors are not walking around the very not walkable streets around their community. I would not walk much there either, not because of crime, but because the distances are really long and it's not a pleasant place to walk.

Wait, so you're saying that, since there has not be crime literally on their own property, the crime that is occurring across the street shouldn't concern them?

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there....

Just speaking from my personal experience that living adjacent to places with crime does not make my own neighborhood feel unsafe to me or to any of my neighbors.

Sure. I don't disagree with you.

In fact, if the last 2.5 years have taught us anything, its that safety or the perception of safety is very personal and very subjective.

But PP said to go look at the crime map and that if we did, there would be no violent crime near Asbury.

That's just patently untrue. If those people feel unsafe, they have reason to feel that way. You (and I) may have different thresholds for what makes us feel unsafe. But looking at the crime map, its not unreasonable AT ALL for members of the Asbury community to feel unsafe. There is significant crime (much of it violent) in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, some of them literally across the street from their homes.

People are acting like the members of that community are imagining the crime and that the unsafe feeling is not justified. That's gaslighting. Telling people something isnt real when it very much is is real.

That was me and I absolutely did not say there is no crime near Asbury. I said there is no crime IN Asbury. Stop misrepresenting what I said. Sullivan said people are afraid to leave their houses. Y'all say, well CLEARLY they meant their neighborhood. GTFOOH. He was embellishing. If he even talked to more than one person which is doubtful.

You're so full of crap, its out of control

Of course he meant the surrounding community. And did you really expect people to go look for the crime inside their gated community and ignore the crime that's happening literally directly on the other side of their fence.

Community doesnt mean just what's on their property. The properties adjacent and surround your property is also a part of the community.

You just didn't think anyone would call your bluff and go look at the crime map

He didn't say community, he said HOUSES. Good lord you are full of it. And it's obvious because when you quote me you can't actually do so accurately and make your point, so you change the words.

You are the one accusing someone of using “racist dog whistles” and embellishing on someone’s statements (you have misquoted him multiple times), but it’s you who are doing both of those things. You are making yourself look quite stupid and doing your political point zero favors.

+1.

It's pretty ironic that this thread is accusing Sullivan of being misleading when this poster is essentially saying "Look and see if there is crime at this one specific address. You'll see that there isn't any......but pay NO attention to that crime that is occurring right next to, and behind, and across from said address"

FFS, in the same thread, we have people defending Elrich by saying both "there's not an abundance of crime in the community" AND "crime increase is a national trend, and not the current CE's fault"

Come on guys. Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining

I mean Asbury is a pretty large area, and no there isn't much crime in that large area. Again, I live adjacent to addresses with a lot of crime. It doesn't make my neighborhood feel unsafe. As to the point about Black and Brown men, that is a good point, they do deserve better, which is why there has been a push to reform police so that they can better work with these communities instead of harassing them, which protects nobody. You will say, no, they are not being harassed, and that is because you don't believe what Black and Brown people are saying.

NP here.

But I want to add: bragging about how safe you feel despite your neighborhood having a lot of crime is not the flex you think it is

What gives you the impression I am bragging? You just don't like that I have undermined your point.

It just came off that way.

Especially since you indicated that you feel safe bc you're not the target of the crime. But what if other people are, is it ok for them to feel unsafe?

It also just seems weird, to be honest. It's normal to feel unsafe in areas of high crime.

It's not weird to feel less threatened by crime that is not random. I would not want to live in a building where there are assaults, and I don't think it's "okay" for the residents in those buildings. Nobody wants to get caught in the middle of an assault. But it's not directly affecting me even though I live nearby. I am more concerned by burglaries and robberies. Gun violence would also be a massive concern for me which is why I am glad I do not live in DTSS right now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

You people are thick. The point is even though there is no crime at Asbury, people are afraid to leave to go to the movies. That is a better example of what he was referring to! OK? Lakeforest Mall was taken over by MS-13, Wheaton Mall can be dicey
, and of late crime has moved into Montgomery Mall too.

They're afraid to go to Rio or Kentlands?

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

You people are thick. The point is even though there is no crime at Asbury, people are afraid to leave to go to the movies. That is a better example of what he was referring to! OK? Lakeforest Mall was taken over by MS-13, Wheaton Mall can be dicey
, and of late crime has moved into Montgomery Mall too.

They're afraid to go to Rio or Kentlands?

I don’t think Sully is totally up to speed on crime. But there very well may be people who are afraid to go to the Rio.


A quick look at dispatched calls to the Rio at Washingtonian:
Firearms violation today at noon
Domestic violence on 10/24 at 5pm
Assault on 10/23 at 4pm
Assault on 10/11 at 10pm
Suspicious person on 10/08 at 1am
Bomb device found on 10/7 at 5pm
Overdose on 10/7 at 10am

And a bunch of traffic calls. So it’s definitely not Veterans Plaza but it could be outside an older person’s comfort level.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

You people are thick. The point is even though there is no crime at Asbury, people are afraid to leave to go to the movies. That is a better example of what he was referring to! OK? Lakeforest Mall was taken over by MS-13, Wheaton Mall can be dicey
, and of late crime has moved into Montgomery Mall too.

I go to Wheaton Mall all the time, it is not "dicey"

Yeah other than this homicide:
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/police-arrest-suspect-accused-of-killing-teenager-in-wheaton

And this double homicide (using bamboo sticks from a mall's restaurant decorations):
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2018/08/suspect-sought-in-wheaton-mall-double-homicide/

and this bleach attack:
https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/westfield-wheaton-mall-assault-bleach-in-victims-eyes/

Wheaton Mall is quite safe!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

You people are thick. The point is even though there is no crime at Asbury, people are afraid to leave to go to the movies. That is a better example of what he was referring to! OK? Lakeforest Mall was taken over by MS-13, Wheaton Mall can be dicey
, and of late crime has moved into Montgomery Mall too.

I go to Wheaton Mall all the time, it is not "dicey"

Yeah other than this homicide:
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/police-arrest-suspect-accused-of-killing-teenager-in-wheaton

And this double homicide (using bamboo sticks from a mall's restaurant decorations):
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2018/08/suspect-sought-in-wheaton-mall-double-homicide/

and this bleach attack:
https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/westfield-wheaton-mall-assault-bleach-in-victims-eyes/

Wheaton Mall is quite safe!

I remember the two more recent ones which as you can see occurred several months ago. By that standard Montgomery Mall is also pretty "dicey". If you want to prevent all crime in commercial areas, good luck.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

You people are thick. The point is even though there is no crime at Asbury, people are afraid to leave to go to the movies. That is a better example of what he was referring to! OK? Lakeforest Mall was taken over by MS-13, Wheaton Mall can be dicey
, and of late crime has moved into Montgomery Mall too.

I go to Wheaton Mall all the time, it is not "dicey"

Yeah other than this homicide:
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/police-arrest-suspect-accused-of-killing-teenager-in-wheaton

And this double homicide (using bamboo sticks from a mall's restaurant decorations):
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2018/08/suspect-sought-in-wheaton-mall-double-homicide/

and this bleach attack:
https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/westfield-wheaton-mall-assault-bleach-in-victims-eyes/

Wheaton Mall is quite safe!

I remember the two more recent ones which as you can see occurred several months ago. By that standard Montgomery Mall is also pretty "dicey". If you want to prevent all crime in commercial areas, good luck.

I guess every city in the US is also "dicey."

What, specifically, are Sullivan's proposals to rid Montgomery County of crime, and how does he intend to work with a county council likely to be in opposition to him?

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Anonymous wrote:The Montgomery County Council Public Safety Committee was told Tuesday that there were 32 homicides and 67 carjackings in 2021. The numbers reflect an 88% increase in homicides and 72% increase in carjackings.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/01/homicides-carjackings-up-in-montgomery-county/

I voted for Sullivan.

If you give a damn about your family, friends and neighbors, then you should too.

You're talking about trends that are the case nationally. Much as I dislike Elrich, he's not the driving force behind the increases in crime.

No, but he’s the driving force behind the weakening of MoCo police, which was a model of national policing. Actually, it’s Jawando as much as anyone and the rest of the Council. But the fact that Blair and Sully got the FoP endorsement is important. Frankly, if you voted for Blair, you should be voting for Sully.

NP here.
I was going to post this, as well. Perhaps Elrich isn’t the cause of increasing crime, but he is doing literally nothing to stop it. He does not support MCPD and his task force wants to tremendously limit MCPD’s reach. It calls for fewer police in much of the county. He has cut units and positions. He has created an environment in which officers feel no respect or support from county leadership, hence the increased retirements and decreased recruitment. That’s all on Elrich and the council.

And it’s the reason I support Sullivan.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you still think Sullivan wasn't embellishing what he heard from residents when he LITERALLY SAID they are afraid to leave their homes, take a look at the Montgomery County Crime Map and look up how much violent crime there is in the Asbury community. Spoiler alert, there hasn't been much if any.

You people are thick. The point is even though there is no crime at Asbury, people are afraid to leave to go to the movies. That is a better example of what he was referring to! OK? Lakeforest Mall was taken over by MS-13, Wheaton Mall can be dicey
, and of late crime has moved into Montgomery Mall too.

I go to Wheaton Mall all the time, it is not "dicey"

Yeah other than this homicide:
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/police-arrest-suspect-accused-of-killing-teenager-in-wheaton

And this double homicide (using bamboo sticks from a mall's restaurant decorations):
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2018/08/suspect-sought-in-wheaton-mall-double-homicide/

and this bleach attack:
https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/westfield-wheaton-mall-assault-bleach-in-victims-eyes/

Wheaton Mall is quite safe!

I remember the two more recent ones which as you can see occurred several months ago. By that standard Montgomery Mall is also pretty "dicey". If you want to prevent all crime murders & violent assaults in commercial areas, good luck.

Fixed that for ya

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Montgomery County Council Public Safety Committee was told Tuesday that there were 32 homicides and 67 carjackings in 2021. The numbers reflect an 88% increase in homicides and 72% increase in carjackings.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/01/homicides-carjackings-up-in-montgomery-county/

I voted for Sullivan.

If you give a damn about your family, friends and neighbors, then you should too.

You're talking about trends that are the case nationally. Much as I dislike Elrich, he's not the driving force behind the increases in crime.

County Executives don't drive crime.

It's how they react to surging crime that matters. Our political leadership is failing to address the problem and officer shortage.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/02/01/montgomery-county-considering-new-recruitment-strategy-for-dwindling-police-force/

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Anonymous wrote:The Montgomery County Council Public Safety Committee was told Tuesday that there were 32 homicides and 67 carjackings in 2021. The numbers reflect an 88% increase in homicides and 72% increase in carjackings.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/01/homicides-carjackings-up-in-montgomery-county/

I voted for Sullivan.

If you give a damn about your family, friends and neighbors, then you should too.

You're talking about trends that are the case nationally. Much as I dislike Elrich, he's not the driving force behind the increases in crime.

No, but he’s the driving force behind the weakening of MoCo police, which was a model of national policing. Actually, it’s Jawando as much as anyone and the rest of the Council. But the fact that Blair and Sully got the FoP endorsement is important. Frankly, if you voted for Blair, you should be voting for Sully.

NP here.
I was going to post this, as well. Perhaps Elrich isn’t the cause of increasing crime, but he is doing literally nothing to stop it. He does not support MCPD and his task force wants to tremendously limit MCPD’s reach. It calls for fewer police in much of the county. He has cut units and positions. He has created an environment in which officers feel no respect or support from county leadership, hence the increased retirements and decreased recruitment. That’s all on Elrich and the council.

And it’s the reason I support Sullivan.

I was in DC today and saw a bus ad offering bonuses of $20k to join the DC Police Department. MoCo is not doing enough to recruit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Montgomery County Council Public Safety Committee was told Tuesday that there were 32 homicides and 67 carjackings in 2021. The numbers reflect an 88% increase in homicides and 72% increase in carjackings.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/01/homicides-carjackings-up-in-montgomery-county/

I voted for Sullivan.

If you give a damn about your family, friends and neighbors, then you should too.

You're talking about trends that are the case nationally. Much as I dislike Elrich, he's not the driving force behind the increases in crime.

County Executives don't drive crime.

It's how they react to surging crime that matters. Our political leadership is failing to address the problem and officer shortage.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/02/01/montgomery-county-considering-new-recruitment-strategy-for-dwindling-police-force/

The crime surge is fueled in part by unilateral policy decisions Elrich has taken. He is anti pretext stops for example, but thats largely how police get illegal guns off the street. He has created a hostile work environment for police, in a lot of ways, but his public comments against his very high-performing department cause a lot of damage, and police don’t do as much proactive policing. He unilaterally pulled SROs out of schools, which took away an important violence prevention tool. Police presence helps reduce violence full stop. And the violence prevention extends into the community. Nobody is asking how much student on student violence is happening outside of schools (ahem Jailyn Jones murder). Somebody ask that please. How many shootings, stabbings, murders, permanent disabilities are happening to students because of violence? Because the violence is fueled by in school fights and social media threats. Their beefs don’t end at school doors.

And there has been a mass exodus of outstanding officers. They leave for jurisdictions that value them. They have lost five or six assistant chiefs under Elrich. I am not even counting Elrich’s cluster @&$& creation and rapid implosion of a civilian assistant chief. I think their captains only average about 3 years of experience at that rank. They may be awesome. I have no clue. But the lack of experience or mentorship will leave its mark. What’s going to be left is mediocrity. And who suffers the most from a failure to keep the community safe? Black and brown lower income communities.

Elrich and Jawando lead that destruction and the rest of the cowardly council, who’re terrified of appearing racist, just go along with them.
No ethics. No spine. No subject matter expertise. Only massive egos and self serving bull $&@&.