Student walkout

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Under his policy, parents cannot authorize the use of a different name or pronoun. They need to provide legal documents. Why do Republicans want the state to control everyone? Why did Youngkin say kids belong to their parents? Kids are not property. They have a right to have their own feelings especially when so many trans kids are rejected by their parents. Schools should be safe places for all kids. And what happened to limited government and local control? Fairfax voters did not vote for Youngkin - he lost by a lot here. Let localities decide.

How does this work? For example, if Robert wants to go by “Junior” or “JR” because that’s his nickname at home but not his birth name, his parents have to change it legally?

Not really cause it’s still a boy name.
But if he wanted to be called Roberta or something else then yes

That seems like the kind of discrimination that will get you sued. If Mary can go by her nickname, but Joe can not be called Jane then the policy is no facially neutral.

This is what that section says: (see 2 and 4)

D. Identification of students:
1. Every effort should be made to ensure that a transgender student wishing to change his or her means of address is treated with respect, compassion, and dignity in the classroom and school environment.

2. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only (i) the name that appears in the student’s official record, or (ii) if the student prefers, using any nickname commonly associated with the name that appears in the student’s official record.

3. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only the pronouns appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record - that is, male pronouns for a student whose legal sex is male, and female pronouns for a student whose legal sex is female.

4. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraphs (2) and (3) of this section, [School Division] personnel shall refer to a student by a name other than one in the student’s official record, or by pronouns other than those appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record, only if an eligible student or a student’s parent has instructed [School Division] in writing that such other name or other pronouns be used because of the student’s persistent and sincere belief that the student’s gender differs from his or her sex.

5. Any written instruction from a parent or eligible student under paragraph (4) of this section shall be memorialized in the student’s official record and subject to the same retention, disclosure, and confidentiality requirements as the official record itself. The legal name and sex of a student shall not be changed, even upon the written instruction of a parent or eligible student, except as specified in section (C)(2).

6. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph (4) of this section, [School Division] shall not compel [School Division] personnel or other students to address or refer to students in any manner that would violate their constitutionally protected rights.

7. No policy, guidance, training, or other written material issued by the [School Division] may encourage or instruct teachers to conceal material information about a student from the student’s parent, including information related to gender.

This is so deliberately cruel and likely unconditional. How DARE THEY tell teachers how to interact with students. I sincerely hope teachers just summarily ignore this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Teachers are not reporters of student actions not connected to academics unless it breaks school rules or is a crime.

Should teachers tell you your child is dating a guy who is kind of a jerk?
That could be very harmful to her, but it's none of the teachers business even though the student might share who she is dating with the teacher and not with her parents. If the student discloses rape or abuse, the teacher is a mandated reporter. But if she's keeping that a secret from her parents, we can't ask teachers expect to report that. Follow this logic to its conclusion--teachers are around your kids when you are not there. They see how they interact with peers. They see how they try on different identities. Teachers have LOADS of information that they just are not going to share because 1) they don't have the time, 2) it isn't their business to be a reporter on what students are doing unless it's academics or breaking the rules. Pulling out 'name and pronoun changes' as a specific thing they should monitor is specifically discriminatory to transgender identities.

I second that!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Not lots. That’s a fringe perspective.

No it’s not feint just because you don’t agree with it. Also, did the “fringe” get Youngkin elected?

The majority got Youngkin elected.

I voted for Youngkin because I reject Terry McAuliffe’s school policy, exemplified by:

“I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

His view is so offensive! As a parent, I do care what schools are teaching my children.

No, the majority didn’t elect Youngkin. The majority of those who VOTED did. Big difference. Especially in this context where children don’t get a vote. Youngkin doesn’t reflect the Virginian mainstream.

McAullife was 100% right, by the way. That was not an offensive viewpoint— it was an astute one. Parents should stay in their lane. They don’t get to decide what is taught in our schools — they already have avenues to provide their input and perspective, but they aren’t the arbiters of what society needs kids to know. People like you are so ridiculously stupid and should stay in your lane. Teach your kid whatever stupid crap you want in your own house but our schools need to get our children ready for society and to function in a diverse, progressive, globalized economy.

+1 A community--including parents-- have input on what is taught in schools through many existing mechanisms--including voting for school board, community input on curriculum, hiring practices, school calendars, and just good old talking to teachers and principals.
In FCPS, things the community has deemed "sensitive" parents can opt out. But no each parent can't "decide" what is taught in schools--how would that even be possible? Public schools are for the public good, not an individual parent desires. You can contribute your voice to what is considered the public, but you might not win because there are other competing voices with just as much rights as yours and there are laws and processes to be followed.
If you can't handle that outcome for your particular children, you turn education of your children into a more private good by either homeschooling or selecting a private school more aligned with your values. But you don't get out of funding the public school because we as a democracy have decided public schools are a good for the whole community, whether you currently have children or not.

[Anonymous]

Ridiculous - more FCPS sponsored political drama. Do they ever focus on Education.

[Anonymous]

Youngkin is responsible for this drama. I am so tired of Republicans using our schools and our kids as pawns for their political strategy. Let our schools focus on teaching and stop trying to rile up your base and disrupt our schools:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Under his policy, parents cannot authorize the use of a different name or pronoun. They need to provide legal documents. Why do Republicans want the state to control everyone? Why did Youngkin say kids belong to their parents? Kids are not property. They have a right to have their own feelings especially when so many trans kids are rejected by their parents. Schools should be safe places for all kids. And what happened to limited government and local control? Fairfax voters did not vote for Youngkin - he lost by a lot here. Let localities decide.

How does this work? For example, if Robert wants to go by “Junior” or “JR” because that’s his nickname at home but not his birth name, his parents have to change it legally?

Not really cause it’s still a boy name.
But if he wanted to be called Roberta or something else then yes

That seems like the kind of discrimination that will get you sued. If Mary can go by her nickname, but Joe can not be called Jane then the policy is no facially neutral.

This is what that section says: (see 2 and 4)

D. Identification of students:
1. Every effort should be made to ensure that a transgender student wishing to change his or her means of address is treated with respect, compassion, and dignity in the classroom and school environment.

2. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only (i) the name that appears in the student’s official record, or (ii) if the student prefers, using any nickname commonly associated with the name that appears in the student’s official record.

3. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only the pronouns appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record - that is, male pronouns for a student whose legal sex is male, and female pronouns for a student whose legal sex is female.

4. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraphs (2) and (3) of this section, [School Division] personnel shall refer to a student by a name other than one in the student’s official record, or by pronouns other than those appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record, only if an eligible student or a student’s parent has instructed [School Division] in writing that such other name or other pronouns be used because of the student’s persistent and sincere belief that the student’s gender differs from his or her sex.

5. Any written instruction from a parent or eligible student under paragraph (4) of this section shall be memorialized in the student’s official record and subject to the same retention, disclosure, and confidentiality requirements as the official record itself. The legal name and sex of a student shall not be changed, even upon the written instruction of a parent or eligible student, except as specified in section (C)(2).

6. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph (4) of this section, [School Division] shall not compel [School Division] personnel or other students to address or refer to students in any manner that would violate their constitutionally protected rights.

7. No policy, guidance, training, or other written material issued by the [School Division] may encourage or instruct teachers to conceal material information about a student from the student’s parent, including information related to gender.

There is zero need for this sort of policy or intrusion. Period. If a kid wants to be called he, she, they, Susie, Susan, Sam whatever . . . that should be respected. Of course there will be issues with the parents' wishes. There always are and can be worked out, as necessary, as they are now on any number of issues. At no time should a teacher be permitted to substitute his/her own preferences for that of the student. If they cannot do so, they shoudl not be in public school.

Kids can. See item 4. The child puts the request in writing. If they do this, item 6 is moot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Under his policy, parents cannot authorize the use of a different name or pronoun. They need to provide legal documents. Why do Republicans want the state to control everyone? Why did Youngkin say kids belong to their parents? Kids are not property. They have a right to have their own feelings especially when so many trans kids are rejected by their parents. Schools should be safe places for all kids. And what happened to limited government and local control? Fairfax voters did not vote for Youngkin - he lost by a lot here. Let localities decide.

How does this work? For example, if Robert wants to go by “Junior” or “JR” because that’s his nickname at home but not his birth name, his parents have to change it legally?

Not really cause it’s still a boy name.
But if he wanted to be called Roberta or something else then yes

That seems like the kind of discrimination that will get you sued. If Mary can go by her nickname, but Joe can not be called Jane then the policy is no facially neutral.

This is what that section says: (see 2 and 4)

D. Identification of students:
1. Every effort should be made to ensure that a transgender student wishing to change his or her means of address is treated with respect, compassion, and dignity in the classroom and school environment.

2. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only (i) the name that appears in the student’s official record, or (ii) if the student prefers, using any nickname commonly associated with the name that appears in the student’s official record.

3. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only the pronouns appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record - that is, male pronouns for a student whose legal sex is male, and female pronouns for a student whose legal sex is female.

4. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraphs (2) and (3) of this section, [School Division] personnel shall refer to a student by a name other than one in the student’s official record, or by pronouns other than those appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record, only if an eligible student or a student’s parent has instructed [School Division] in writing that such other name or other pronouns be used because of the student’s persistent and sincere belief that the student’s gender differs from his or her sex.

5. Any written instruction from a parent or eligible student under paragraph (4) of this section shall be memorialized in the student’s official record and subject to the same retention, disclosure, and confidentiality requirements as the official record itself. The legal name and sex of a student shall not be changed, even upon the written instruction of a parent or eligible student, except as specified in section (C)(2).

6. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph (4) of this section, [School Division] shall not compel [School Division] personnel or other students to address or refer to students in any manner that would violate their constitutionally protected rights.

7. No policy, guidance, training, or other written material issued by the [School Division] may encourage or instruct teachers to conceal material information about a student from the student’s parent, including information related to gender.

This is so deliberately cruel and likely unconditional. How DARE THEY tell teachers how to interact with students. I sincerely hope teachers just summarily ignore this.

The way 7 is written, teachers can. It says nothing can encourage or instruct teachers to conceal information. It doesn’t say teachers can’t conceal information.

[Anonymous]

The majority of parents are just fine with kids' identity explorations in MS and HS but may not want them "memorialized" in the school's student record. This is oppressive to the majority of parents and students.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Under his policy, parents cannot authorize the use of a different name or pronoun. They need to provide legal documents. Why do Republicans want the state to control everyone? Why did Youngkin say kids belong to their parents? Kids are not property. They have a right to have their own feelings especially when so many trans kids are rejected by their parents. Schools should be safe places for all kids. And what happened to limited government and local control? Fairfax voters did not vote for Youngkin - he lost by a lot here. Let localities decide.

How does this work? For example, if Robert wants to go by “Junior” or “JR” because that’s his nickname at home but not his birth name, his parents have to change it legally?

Not really cause it’s still a boy name.
But if he wanted to be called Roberta or something else then yes

That seems like the kind of discrimination that will get you sued. If Mary can go by her nickname, but Joe can not be called Jane then the policy is no facially neutral.

This is what that section says: (see 2 and 4)

D. Identification of students:
1. Every effort should be made to ensure that a transgender student wishing to change his or her means of address is treated with respect, compassion, and dignity in the classroom and school environment.

2. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only (i) the name that appears in the student’s official record, or (ii) if the student prefers, using any nickname commonly associated with the name that appears in the student’s official record.

3. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only the pronouns appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record - that is, male pronouns for a student whose legal sex is male, and female pronouns for a student whose legal sex is female.

4. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraphs (2) and (3) of this section, [School Division] personnel shall refer to a student by a name other than one in the student’s official record, or by pronouns other than those appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record, only if an eligible student or a student’s parent has instructed [School Division] in writing that such other name or other pronouns be used because of the student’s persistent and sincere belief that the student’s gender differs from his or her sex.

5. Any written instruction from a parent or eligible student under paragraph (4) of this section shall be memorialized in the student’s official record and subject to the same retention, disclosure, and confidentiality requirements as the official record itself. The legal name and sex of a student shall not be changed, even upon the written instruction of a parent or eligible student, except as specified in section (C)(2).

6. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph (4) of this section, [School Division] shall not compel [School Division] personnel or other students to address or refer to students in any manner that would violate their constitutionally protected rights.

7. No policy, guidance, training, or other written material issued by the [School Division] may encourage or instruct teachers to conceal material information about a student from the student’s parent, including information related to gender.

There is zero need for this sort of policy or intrusion. Period. If a kid wants to be called he, she, they, Susie, Susan, Sam whatever . . . that should be respected. Of course there will be issues with the parents' wishes. There always are and can be worked out, as necessary, as they are now on any number of issues. At no time should a teacher be permitted to substitute his/her own preferences for that of the student. If they cannot do so, they shoudl not be in public school.

Kids can. See item 4. The child puts the request in writing. If they do this, item 6 is moot.

And my point is, this is not something that needs to be memorialized or documents. Act like a f'ing human being, will you?

[Anonymous]

What rights, specifically, does Youngkin's policy seek to restrict?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately our predominantly Hispanic and Muslim school is very much anti LGBTQ. Wish some kids there would walk out.

What are you doing there then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What rights, specifically, does Youngkin's policy seek to restrict?

Are you reading this thread? People have posted sections.

Start on page 16.

https://doe.virginia.gov/support/gender-diversity/2022-model-policies-on-the-privacy-dignity-and-respect-for-all-students-town-hall.pdf

Here are a few:

- ability to be called the names and pronouns of their choice without it going on their permanent record.

- use of bathrooms that align with the gender they identify with (though not enforceable right now due to Grimm federal case outcome

- athletics restrictions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Under his policy, parents cannot authorize the use of a different name or pronoun. They need to provide legal documents. Why do Republicans want the state to control everyone? Why did Youngkin say kids belong to their parents? Kids are not property. They have a right to have their own feelings especially when so many trans kids are rejected by their parents. Schools should be safe places for all kids. And what happened to limited government and local control? Fairfax voters did not vote for Youngkin - he lost by a lot here. Let localities decide.

How does this work? For example, if Robert wants to go by “Junior” or “JR” because that’s his nickname at home but not his birth name, his parents have to change it legally?

Not really cause it’s still a boy name.
But if he wanted to be called Roberta or something else then yes

That seems like the kind of discrimination that will get you sued. If Mary can go by her nickname, but Joe can not be called Jane then the policy is no facially neutral.

This is what that section says: (see 2 and 4)

D. Identification of students:
1. Every effort should be made to ensure that a transgender student wishing to change his or her means of address is treated with respect, compassion, and dignity in the classroom and school environment.

2. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only (i) the name that appears in the student’s official record, or (ii) if the student prefers, using any nickname commonly associated with the name that appears in the student’s official record.

3. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only the pronouns appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record - that is, male pronouns for a student whose legal sex is male, and female pronouns for a student whose legal sex is female.

4. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraphs (2) and (3) of this section, [School Division] personnel shall refer to a student by a name other than one in the student’s official record, or by pronouns other than those appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record, only if an eligible student or a student’s parent has instructed [School Division] in writing that such other name or other pronouns be used because of the student’s persistent and sincere belief that the student’s gender differs from his or her sex.

5. Any written instruction from a parent or eligible student under paragraph (4) of this section shall be memorialized in the student’s official record and subject to the same retention, disclosure, and confidentiality requirements as the official record itself. The legal name and sex of a student shall not be changed, even upon the written instruction of a parent or eligible student, except as specified in section (C)(2).

6. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph (4) of this section, [School Division] shall not compel [School Division] personnel or other students to address or refer to students in any manner that would violate their constitutionally protected rights.

7. No policy, guidance, training, or other written material issued by the [School Division] may encourage or instruct teachers to conceal material information about a student from the student’s parent, including information related to gender.

There is zero need for this sort of policy or intrusion. Period. If a kid wants to be called he, she, they, Susie, Susan, Sam whatever . . . that should be respected. Of course there will be issues with the parents' wishes. There always are and can be worked out, as necessary, as they are now on any number of issues. At no time should a teacher be permitted to substitute his/her own preferences for that of the student. If they cannot do so, they shoudl not be in public school.

Kids can. See item 4. The child puts the request in writing. If they do this, item 6 is moot.

And my point is, this is not something that needs to be memorialized or documents. Act like a f'ing human being, will you?

In order to affect change, you need to clearly argue against what he is actually saying. Emotional outbursts without supporting analysis isn’t helpful in the long run. You said if a kid wants to be called x y or z, they should be able to be called x y or z. The point is, they CAN be. What you need to argue is that they should be able to do so without it being added to their permanent record. Republicans will tear you apart about how you are not reading the entire thing and take the focus away from the issues if you aren’t specific in your points.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What rights, specifically, does Youngkin's policy seek to restrict?

Are you reading this thread? People have posted sections.

Start on page 16.

https://doe.virginia.gov/support/gender-diversity/2022-model-policies-on-the-privacy-dignity-and-respect-for-all-students-town-hall.pdf

Here are a few:

- ability to be called the names and pronouns of their choice without it going on their permanent record.

- use of bathrooms that align with the gender they identify with (though not enforceable right now due to Grimm federal case outcome

- athletics restrictions.

These are not "rights".