Mueller does not find Trump campaign knowingly conspired with Russia

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Anonymous wrote:I guess it's back to the p*ssygrabber thing, now?

Maybe that'll work THIS time?!?!


I am a Democrat. Been convinced this would be the outcome since the beginning.

But are you SERIOUSLY okay with a President who was caught on tape saying those things, and paying off mistresses, and taunting people like a seventh-grade bully on Twitter? THIS will be the real long-term impact of this whole affair - that it has pushed people into defending the indefensible. Trump is a pig and unqualified for the office he holds, and that really shouldn't be in dispute. That reality is what has pushed so many people in government and media to pursue this insanity like a bunch of third-rate gossip columnists, while Trump refashions our government into a right-wing proto-fascist version of its former self.


I'm cool with it. We're not voting for pope here.

As long as he gets even tougher on illegal immigration and grows the economy, he's got my vote in 2020.


I voted for Hillary last time, but this is my thinking also. Trump's not doing a terrible job, and if is able to do those things, he's got my vote for the next election.


Yep. I voted for someone to run my country. Not someone who worried about being nice and looking good.
Anonymous
You have got to be kidding. I'm a fourth grade teacher, and I am deeply saddened that I can't use our president as an example of a person to admire and emulate. I don't understand how we can't find someone who can both lead the country and be an honorable person.
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Anonymous wrote:533,000 articles all on Russian collusion, about 92% saying he colluded.

Sigh.


That's why it's called #FakeNews.
And, based on some of what I have read and heard in the past 24 hours, some in the media have learned NOTHING.


#FakeNews is on both sides. I'll give you that the MSM screwed up here. I got rid of cable two years ago, have been saying for years that WaPo long-ago abandoned the line between editorial and news, and I've watched as the NYT has done the same. Even WSJ has made their screw ups. But right-wing media isn't much better, and the fringe there is abjectly terrifying.

So who do you trust?


I find this infuriating! There is no media source that I feel is trustworthy anymore. And, I think it's terrible because, because isn't a good, solid, free press important for democracy?

Sometimes I'll read a report on CNN and then read FOX's take on it and assume the truth is somewhere in between.


I'm the PP you are responding to and I agree. The sad thing is that Trump isn't wrong when he criticizes the media or the relationships between media and the Washington establishment, but what's sadder still is that he has fooled so many into thinking that he is the answer when he is a prime beneficiary of the whole mess. Meanwhile every day, hardworking, decent Americans find that their power is increasingly stripped and that there is nowhere and no one to turn to who has integrity and can be trusted. And so many of our fellow citizens are fine with that so long as their bank accounts are benefiting.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I guess it's back to the p*ssygrabber thing, now?

Maybe that'll work THIS time?!?!


I am a Democrat. Been convinced this would be the outcome since the beginning.

But are you SERIOUSLY okay with a President who was caught on tape saying those things, and paying off mistresses, and taunting people like a seventh-grade bully on Twitter? THIS will be the real long-term impact of this whole affair - that it has pushed people into defending the indefensible. Trump is a pig and unqualified for the office he holds, and that really shouldn't be in dispute. That reality is what has pushed so many people in government and media to pursue this insanity like a bunch of third-rate gossip columnists, while Trump refashions our government into a right-wing proto-fascist version of its former self.


I'm cool with it. We're not voting for pope here.

As long as he gets even tougher on illegal immigration and grows the economy, he's got my vote in 2020.


I voted for Hillary last time, but this is my thinking also. Trump's not doing a terrible job, and if is able to do those things, he's got my vote for the next election.


Yep. I voted for someone to run my country. Not someone who worried about being nice and looking good.


And so the size of your bank account is the only measure you look to to determine whether the country is being run well?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:533,000 articles all on Russian collusion, about 92% saying he colluded.

Sigh.


That's why it's called #FakeNews.
And, based on some of what I have read and heard in the past 24 hours, some in the media have learned NOTHING.


#FakeNews is on both sides. I'll give you that the MSM screwed up here. I got rid of cable two years ago, have been saying for years that WaPo long-ago abandoned the line between editorial and news, and I've watched as the NYT has done the same. Even WSJ has made their screw ups. But right-wing media isn't much better, and the fringe there is abjectly terrifying.

So who do you trust?


I find this infuriating! There is no media source that I feel is trustworthy anymore. And, I think it's terrible because, because isn't a good, solid, free press important for democracy?

Sometimes I'll read a report on CNN and then read FOX's take on it and assume the truth is somewhere in between.
Neither channel can stake claim to factual news reporting. On both sides, we get a nugget of facts and an avalanche of hyperbole.
Anonymous
I don’t look to politicians for my kids’ role models, sorry.
I do want our leaders to focus on education especially your salary and benefits, your school’s safety and infrastructure, student achievement and educational goals.
Immigration is also a huge issue for me and it affects education, health care, national security and most importantly (to me at least) the environment! Our landmass and its natural resources just can’t keep taking in everybody.
Please Dems move past this SC investigation and get into issues!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I guess it's back to the p*ssygrabber thing, now?

Maybe that'll work THIS time?!?!


I am a Democrat. Been convinced this would be the outcome since the beginning.

But are you SERIOUSLY okay with a President who was caught on tape saying those things, and paying off mistresses, and taunting people like a seventh-grade bully on Twitter? THIS will be the real long-term impact of this whole affair - that it has pushed people into defending the indefensible. Trump is a pig and unqualified for the office he holds, and that really shouldn't be in dispute. That reality is what has pushed so many people in government and media to pursue this insanity like a bunch of third-rate gossip columnists, while Trump refashions our government into a right-wing proto-fascist version of its former self.


I'm cool with it. We're not voting for pope here.

As long as he gets even tougher on illegal immigration and grows the economy, he's got my vote in 2020.


I voted for Hillary last time, but this is my thinking also. Trump's not doing a terrible job, and if is able to do those things, he's got my vote for the next election.


Yep. I voted for someone to run my country. Not someone who worried about being nice and looking good.


And so the size of your bank account is the only measure you look to to determine whether the country is being run well?


I think illegal immigration and unemployment are important too.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:You all are excited about the idea that there isn't enough collusion for a criminal conviction eventhough there is evidence of collusion. There wasn't NO collusion. So I guess a little collusion is ok for a politician to take an office?

This.

Here is what Mueller has said through his indictments:
1) The Russian government through its intelligence agencies actively interfered in the election to favor one candidate (Trump). We know this because Mueller has charged numerous Russians with this.
2) In the Mueller indictment of Roger Stone (a long standing associate of Trump) he describes how Stone at the direction of someone in the Trump campaign, worked with Wikileaks (Organization 1) to time the release of damaging leaked information to benefit candidate Trump
"By in or around June and July 2016, Stone informed senior Trump Campaign officials that he had information indicating Organization 1 had documents whose release would be damaging to the Clinton Campaign. After the July 22, 2016 release of stolen DNC emails by Organization 1, a senior Trump Campaign official was directed to contact Stone about any additional releases and what other damaging information Organization 1 had regarding the Clinton Campaign. Stone thereafter told the Trump Campaign about potential future releases of damaging material by Organization 1.”
3) Paul Manafort lied to Mueller about sharing highly sensitive polling information with Kilimnik a Russian operative and Manafort's attorneys acknowledged this in a court filing. Manafort is the campaign manager at the time!

So, my question to fair minded Republicans and conservative leaning independents on this forum is do you really think that this is acceptable behavior for a Presidential candidate or his surrogates and associates? If these actions do not rise to the level where you can charge someone with conspiracy to defraud the US, perhaps we should demand our laws be changed so that hostile and malign foreign actors don't treat this as a green light going forward. You can bet the Russians, the Chinese and the Saudis are taking notes.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I don’t look to politicians for my kids’ role models, sorry.
I do want our leaders to focus on education especially your salary and benefits, your school’s safety and infrastructure, student achievement and educational goals.
Immigration is also a huge issue for me and it affects education, health care, national security and most importantly (to me at least) the environment! Our landmass and its natural resources just can’t keep taking in everybody.
Please Dems move past this SC investigation and get into issues!


Oh - so now immigration is an environmental issue for you, huh? But not because huge global companies HQ'd in the US are contributing to the environmental degradation that has already and will continue to displace masses of people worldwide, and not because you want to them to contribute to fixing the problem, but because you don't want to SHARE? Got it. Fascinating.

There was an interesting story written recently by a travel writer who rode Amtrak cross-country and discovered just how much of our "landmass" is unpopulated. So there goes your theory.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I guess it's back to the p*ssygrabber thing, now?

Maybe that'll work THIS time?!?!


I am a Democrat. Been convinced this would be the outcome since the beginning.

But are you SERIOUSLY okay with a President who was caught on tape saying those things, and paying off mistresses, and taunting people like a seventh-grade bully on Twitter? THIS will be the real long-term impact of this whole affair - that it has pushed people into defending the indefensible. Trump is a pig and unqualified for the office he holds, and that really shouldn't be in dispute. That reality is what has pushed so many people in government and media to pursue this insanity like a bunch of third-rate gossip columnists, while Trump refashions our government into a right-wing proto-fascist version of its former self.


I'm cool with it. We're not voting for pope here.

As long as he gets even tougher on illegal immigration and grows the economy, he's got my vote in 2020.


I voted for Hillary last time, but this is my thinking also. Trump's not doing a terrible job, and if is able to do those things, he's got my vote for the next election.


Yep. I voted for someone to run my country. Not someone who worried about being nice and looking good.


And so the size of your bank account is the only measure you look to to determine whether the country is being run well?


PP, this is an example of fatigue, the kind of fatigue that autocrats and dictators count on when establishing normalcy of their very abnormal and undemocratic governments. The resignation - people getting used to the awfulness - is troubling.

The country isn’t running well. We are fractured, social and economic divides are at an all-time high, the president is erratic and vindictive, grasping for power, and all these PPs can say is the equivalent of “well at least the trains run on time”.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:533,000 articles all on Russian collusion, about 92% saying he colluded.

Sigh.


That's why it's called #FakeNews.
And, based on some of what I have read and heard in the past 24 hours, some in the media have learned NOTHING.


#FakeNews is on both sides. I'll give you that the MSM screwed up here. I got rid of cable two years ago, have been saying for years that WaPo long-ago abandoned the line between editorial and news, and I've watched as the NYT has done the same. Even WSJ has made their screw ups. But right-wing media isn't much better, and the fringe there is abjectly terrifying.

So who do you trust?


I find this infuriating! There is no media source that I feel is trustworthy anymore. And, I think it's terrible because, because isn't a good, solid, free press important for democracy?

Sometimes I'll read a report on CNN and then read FOX's take on it and assume the truth is somewhere in between.
Neither channel can stake claim to factual news reporting. On both sides, we get a nugget of facts and an avalanche of hyperbole.


The problem is that CNN doesn't own their lane. FOX doesn't pretend to be anything but a conservative news source. CNN acts indignant when labeled as a liberal news source.

Don Lemon tries to convince viewers that he is not an opinion host. I had to laugh when a conservative commentator on CNN last week said that he shakes his head when Democrats like Don Lemon and April Ryan put John McCain on a pedestal. They both bog indignant, especially April Ryan, saying, "Why do you think I'm a Democrat? Because I'm black?!" And he responded, "I think you're Democrats because I listen to your words."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I guess it's back to the p*ssygrabber thing, now?

Maybe that'll work THIS time?!?!


I am a Democrat. Been convinced this would be the outcome since the beginning.

But are you SERIOUSLY okay with a President who was caught on tape saying those things, and paying off mistresses, and taunting people like a seventh-grade bully on Twitter? THIS will be the real long-term impact of this whole affair - that it has pushed people into defending the indefensible. Trump is a pig and unqualified for the office he holds, and that really shouldn't be in dispute. That reality is what has pushed so many people in government and media to pursue this insanity like a bunch of third-rate gossip columnists, while Trump refashions our government into a right-wing proto-fascist version of its former self.


I'm cool with it. We're not voting for pope here.

As long as he gets even tougher on illegal immigration and grows the economy, he's got my vote in 2020.


I voted for Hillary last time, but this is my thinking also. Trump's not doing a terrible job, and if is able to do those things, he's got my vote for the next election.


Yep. I voted for someone to run my country. Not someone who worried about being nice and looking good.


And so the size of your bank account is the only measure you look to to determine whether the country is being run well?


I think illegal immigration and unemployment are important too.


Population growth contributes to the economy. Japan, for example, is struggling with replacement and our birthrates are leading us there. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/17/611898421/u-s-births-falls-to-30-year-low-sending-fertility-rate-to-a-record-low

Unemployment is at near-record lows. I don't understand how your thinking adds up? How can we keep growth going if we can't supply the labor market?
Anonymous
We only “know” what Barr is saying. Reminder that his son was recently hired as a White House lawyer. He is a Trump devotee and I’ll wait for the report to be released. There are still 17 investigations of Trump by other entities.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We only “know” what Barr is saying. Reminder that his son was recently hired as a White House lawyer. He is a Trump devotee and I’ll wait for the report to be released. There are still 17 investigations of Trump by other entities.


Sure, I'll wait, too. I'll also expect for Mueller to speak up if the report is being misrepresented, much like he felt compelled to do with regard to the Buzzfeed article.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I guess it's back to the p*ssygrabber thing, now?

Maybe that'll work THIS time?!?!


I am a Democrat. Been convinced this would be the outcome since the beginning.

But are you SERIOUSLY okay with a President who was caught on tape saying those things, and paying off mistresses, and taunting people like a seventh-grade bully on Twitter? THIS will be the real long-term impact of this whole affair - that it has pushed people into defending the indefensible. Trump is a pig and unqualified for the office he holds, and that really shouldn't be in dispute. That reality is what has pushed so many people in government and media to pursue this insanity like a bunch of third-rate gossip columnists, while Trump refashions our government into a right-wing proto-fascist version of its former self.


I'm cool with it. We're not voting for pope here.

As long as he gets even tougher on illegal immigration and grows the economy, he's got my vote in 2020.


I voted for Hillary last time, but this is my thinking also. Trump's not doing a terrible job, and if is able to do those things, he's got my vote for the next election.


Yep. I voted for someone to run my country. Not someone who worried about being nice and looking good.


And so the size of your bank account is the only measure you look to to determine whether the country is being run well?


I think illegal immigration and unemployment are important too.


Population growth contributes to the economy. Japan, for example, is struggling with replacement and our birthrates are leading us there. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/17/611898421/u-s-births-falls-to-30-year-low-sending-fertility-rate-to-a-record-low

Unemployment is at near-record lows. I don't understand how your thinking adds up? How can we keep growth going if we can't supply the labor market?


Yes, population growth fuels GDP growth, but we *MUST* balance this against wage growth. Wage growth diverged from GDP growth in the 1970s because the expansion of workforce accelerated. Now that women participation in the workforce has more or less reached equilibrium, the other factor is immigration. People of United States now needs to decide what's more important, having more immigrants join us, or enjoy faster wage growth - these are opposing goals and one comes at the expense of the other.
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