Mueller does not find Trump campaign knowingly conspired with Russia

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Anonymous wrote:I guess it's back to the p*ssygrabber thing, now?

Maybe that'll work THIS time?!?!

I am a Democrat. Been convinced this would be the outcome since the beginning.

But are you SERIOUSLY okay with a President who was caught on tape saying those things, and paying off mistresses, and taunting people like a seventh-grade bully on Twitter? THIS will be the real long-term impact of this whole affair - that it has pushed people into defending the indefensible. Trump is a pig and unqualified for the office he holds, and that really shouldn't be in dispute. That reality is what has pushed so many people in government and media to pursue this insanity like a bunch of third-rate gossip columnists, while Trump refashions our government into a right-wing proto-fascist version of its former self.

I'm cool with it. We're not voting for pope here.

As long as he gets even tougher on illegal immigration and grows the economy, he's got my vote in 2020.

I voted for Hillary last time, but this is my thinking also. Trump's not doing a terrible job, and if is able to do those things, he's got my vote for the next election.

Yep. I voted for someone to run my country. Not someone who worried about being nice and looking good.

And so the size of your bank account is the only measure you look to to determine whether the country is being run well?

I think illegal immigration and unemployment are important too.

Population growth contributes to the economy. Japan, for example, is struggling with replacement and our birthrates are leading us there. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/17/611898421/u-s-births-falls-to-30-year-low-sending-fertility-rate-to-a-record-low

Unemployment is at near-record lows. I don't understand how your thinking adds up? How can we keep growth going if we can't supply the labor market?

Yes, population growth fuels GDP growth, but we *MUST* balance this against wage growth. Wage growth diverged from GDP growth in the 1970s because the expansion of workforce accelerated. Now that women participation in the workforce has more or less reached equilibrium, the other factor is immigration. People of United States now needs to decide what's more important, having more immigrants join us, or enjoy faster wage growth - these are opposing goals and one comes at the expense of the other.

Automation, declines in union membership, failure to tie the minimum wage at least partially to inflation, and crappy labor policies on who qualifies as exempt or for overtime don't help either. I'm not sure economists have agreement on your assessment.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess it's back to the p*ssygrabber thing, now?

Maybe that'll work THIS time?!?!

I am a Democrat. Been convinced this would be the outcome since the beginning.

But are you SERIOUSLY okay with a President who was caught on tape saying those things, and paying off mistresses, and taunting people like a seventh-grade bully on Twitter? THIS will be the real long-term impact of this whole affair - that it has pushed people into defending the indefensible. Trump is a pig and unqualified for the office he holds, and that really shouldn't be in dispute. That reality is what has pushed so many people in government and media to pursue this insanity like a bunch of third-rate gossip columnists, while Trump refashions our government into a right-wing proto-fascist version of its former self.

I'm cool with it. We're not voting for pope here.

As long as he gets even tougher on illegal immigration and grows the economy, he's got my vote in 2020.

Mine too.
I'll let Melania sort out what her husband grabs. If she asks the advice on it from more experienced Hillary, it's fine with me, too.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t look to politicians for my kids’ role models, sorry.
I do want our leaders to focus on education especially your salary and benefits, your school’s safety and infrastructure, student achievement and educational goals.
Immigration is also a huge issue for me and it affects education, health care, national security and most importantly (to me at least) the environment! Our landmass and its natural resources just can’t keep taking in everybody.
Please Dems move past this SC investigation and get into issues!

Oh - so now immigration is an environmental issue for you, huh? But not because huge global companies HQ'd in the US are contributing to the environmental degradation that has already and will continue to displace masses of people worldwide, and not because you want to them to contribute to fixing the problem, but because you don't want to SHARE? Got it. Fascinating.

There was an interesting story written recently by a travel writer who rode Amtrak cross-country and discovered just how much of our "landmass" is unpopulated. So there goes your theory.

What an I incredibly profound revelation by said traveler. People are migrating to large cities. You need to tell somebody about that!

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Any attorneys here who can comment on the use of this language by Mueller. He is quoted by Barr as saying the investigation "did not establish" collusion. Is that the same as no collusion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t look to politicians for my kids’ role models, sorry.
I do want our leaders to focus on education especially your salary and benefits, your school’s safety and infrastructure, student achievement and educational goals.
Immigration is also a huge issue for me and it affects education, health care, national security and most importantly (to me at least) the environment! Our landmass and its natural resources just can’t keep taking in everybody.
Please Dems move past this SC investigation and get into issues!

If these things are all important to you, how can you possibly support this president?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t look to politicians for my kids’ role models, sorry.
I do want our leaders to focus on education especially your salary and benefits, your school’s safety and infrastructure, student achievement and educational goals.
Immigration is also a huge issue for me and it affects education, health care, national security and most importantly (to me at least) the environment! Our landmass and its natural resources just can’t keep taking in everybody.
Please Dems move past this SC investigation and get into issues!

Oh - so now immigration is an environmental issue for you, huh? But not because huge global companies HQ'd in the US are contributing to the environmental degradation that has already and will continue to displace masses of people worldwide, and not because you want to them to contribute to fixing the problem, but because you don't want to SHARE? Got it. Fascinating.

There was an interesting story written recently by a travel writer who rode Amtrak cross-country and discovered just how much of our "landmass" is unpopulated. So there goes your theory.

What an I incredibly profound revelation by said traveler. People are migrating to large cities. You need to tell somebody about that!

Okay, smartie. The point is that most Americans don't really grasp just how huge our country is, and how much of it is completely wild. So the PP's assertion that our "landmass and its natural resources just can't keep taking in everybody" is pretty much not true. If you haven't traversed those huge swaths of the country that are still untouched, you can't really appreciate how many resources we do have at our disposal. Plus, this kind of zero sum, negative thinking drives me insane. We kicked Britain's a**. We liberated Europe. We put a man on the moon. Since when are we so pathetic that we can't even envision a way to be better than we are right now?

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Anonymous wrote:533,000 articles all on Russian collusion, about 92% saying he colluded.

Sigh.

That's why it's called #FakeNews.
And, based on some of what I have read and heard in the past 24 hours, some in the media have learned NOTHING.

#FakeNews is on both sides. I'll give you that the MSM screwed up here. I got rid of cable two years ago, have been saying for years that WaPo long-ago abandoned the line between editorial and news, and I've watched as the NYT has done the same. Even WSJ has made their screw ups. But right-wing media isn't much better, and the fringe there is abjectly terrifying.


So who do you trust?

They didn't screw up. They deliberately lied. And conspired with Dems. And yes, right wing media is MUCH better

So the lies by Alex Jones, Limbaugh and their ilk are okay? Pizzagate style crap - with the potential to get people killled - is "MUCH better?" You are fooling yourself. Mueller has not suddenly proven the righteousness of right-wing media.

Jones I don't respect. Limbaugh and Hannity have been 100% bang-on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess it's back to the p*ssygrabber thing, now?

Maybe that'll work THIS time?!?!

I am a Democrat. Been convinced this would be the outcome since the beginning.

But are you SERIOUSLY okay with a President who was caught on tape saying those things, and paying off mistresses, and taunting people like a seventh-grade bully on Twitter? THIS will be the real long-term impact of this whole affair - that it has pushed people into defending the indefensible. Trump is a pig and unqualified for the office he holds, and that really shouldn't be in dispute. That reality is what has pushed so many people in government and media to pursue this insanity like a bunch of third-rate gossip columnists, while Trump refashions our government into a right-wing proto-fascist version of its former self.

I'm cool with it. We're not voting for pope here.

As long as he gets even tougher on illegal immigration and grows the economy, he's got my vote in 2020.

I voted for Hillary last time, but this is my thinking also. Trump's not doing a terrible job, and if is able to do those things, he's got my vote for the next election.

Yep. I voted for someone to run my country. Not someone who worried about being nice and looking good.

But Bill Clinton, who virtually eliminated deficit spending, improved working conditions and oversaw a booming economy was a horrible president for lying about a blowjob.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess it's back to the p*ssygrabber thing, now?

Maybe that'll work THIS time?!?!

I am a Democrat. Been convinced this would be the outcome since the beginning.

But are you SERIOUSLY okay with a President who was caught on tape saying those things, and paying off mistresses, and taunting people like a seventh-grade bully on Twitter? THIS will be the real long-term impact of this whole affair - that it has pushed people into defending the indefensible. Trump is a pig and unqualified for the office he holds, and that really shouldn't be in dispute. That reality is what has pushed so many people in government and media to pursue this insanity like a bunch of third-rate gossip columnists, while Trump refashions our government into a right-wing proto-fascist version of its former self.

I'm cool with it. We're not voting for pope here.

As long as he gets even tougher on illegal immigration and grows the economy, he's got my vote in 2020.

I voted for Hillary last time, but this is my thinking also. Trump's not doing a terrible job, and if is able to do those things, he's got my vote for the next election.

Yep. I voted for someone to run my country. Not someone who worried about being nice and looking good.

But Bill Clinton, who virtually eliminated deficit spending, improved working conditions and oversaw a booming economy was a horrible president for lying about a blowjob.

Bill Clinton was our last centrist, pragmatic and largely successful President.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess it's back to the p*ssygrabber thing, now?

Maybe that'll work THIS time?!?!

I am a Democrat. Been convinced this would be the outcome since the beginning.

But are you SERIOUSLY okay with a President who was caught on tape saying those things, and paying off mistresses, and taunting people like a seventh-grade bully on Twitter? THIS will be the real long-term impact of this whole affair - that it has pushed people into defending the indefensible. Trump is a pig and unqualified for the office he holds, and that really shouldn't be in dispute. That reality is what has pushed so many people in government and media to pursue this insanity like a bunch of third-rate gossip columnists, while Trump refashions our government into a right-wing proto-fascist version of its former self.

I'm cool with it. We're not voting for pope here.

As long as he gets even tougher on illegal immigration and grows the economy, he's got my vote in 2020.

I voted for Hillary last time, but this is my thinking also. Trump's not doing a terrible job, and if is able to do those things, he's got my vote for the next election.

Yep. I voted for someone to run my country. Not someone who worried about being nice and looking good.

And so the size of your bank account is the only measure you look to to determine whether the country is being run well?

I think illegal immigration and unemployment are important too.

Population growth contributes to the economy. Japan, for example, is struggling with replacement and our birthrates are leading us there. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/17/611898421/u-s-births-falls-to-30-year-low-sending-fertility-rate-to-a-record-low

Unemployment is at near-record lows. I don't understand how your thinking adds up? How can we keep growth going if we can't supply the labor market?

We don't supply the labor market with ILLEGAL immigration. The US should decide who comes into our country. Not the other way around.

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Anonymous wrote:Any attorneys here who can comment on the use of this language by Mueller. He is quoted by Barr as saying the investigation "did not establish" collusion. Is that the same as no collusion?

Not an attorney, but my take is that while there were several interactions between Trump campaign people and the Russians or intermediaries for the Russians who were trying to help Trump, the Trump campaign side of it featured mostly incompetent self-promoters and was too disorganized, amateurish, and unprofessional to meet the definition of a conspiracy.

For example, Trump saying, "Russia, if your listening, find Hillary's missing emails" was such an idiotic thing to say that it is evidence against collusion because no one involved in a real criminal conspiracy would be stupid enough to say that.

[Anonymous]

I never really cared about the collusion. I think Russia took advantage of Trump and he liked it.

Rs, don't get too excited. You don't get it. Mueller has not referred tons of information to the SDNY. That's the story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess it's back to the p*ssygrabber thing, now?

Maybe that'll work THIS time?!?!

I am a Democrat. Been convinced this would be the outcome since the beginning.

But are you SERIOUSLY okay with a President who was caught on tape saying those things, and paying off mistresses, and taunting people like a seventh-grade bully on Twitter? THIS will be the real long-term impact of this whole affair - that it has pushed people into defending the indefensible. Trump is a pig and unqualified for the office he holds, and that really shouldn't be in dispute. That reality is what has pushed so many people in government and media to pursue this insanity like a bunch of third-rate gossip columnists, while Trump refashions our government into a right-wing proto-fascist version of its former self.

I'm cool with it. We're not voting for pope here.

As long as he gets even tougher on illegal immigration and grows the economy, he's got my vote in 2020.

I voted for Hillary last time, but this is my thinking also. Trump's not doing a terrible job, and if is able to do those things, he's got my vote for the next election.

Yep. I voted for someone to run my country. Not someone who worried about being nice and looking good.

And so the size of your bank account is the only measure you look to to determine whether the country is being run well?

I think illegal immigration and unemployment are important too.

Population growth contributes to the economy. Japan, for example, is struggling with replacement and our birthrates are leading us there. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/17/611898421/u-s-births-falls-to-30-year-low-sending-fertility-rate-to-a-record-low

Unemployment is at near-record lows. I don't understand how your thinking adds up? How can we keep growth going if we can't supply the labor market?

Yes, population growth fuels GDP growth, but we *MUST* balance this against wage growth. Wage growth diverged from GDP growth in the 1970s because the expansion of workforce accelerated. Now that women participation in the workforce has more or less reached equilibrium, the other factor is immigration. People of United States now needs to decide what's more important, having more immigrants join us, or enjoy faster wage growth - these are opposing goals and one comes at the expense of the other.

Automation, declines in union membership, failure to tie the minimum wage at least partially to inflation, and crappy labor policies on who qualifies as exempt or for overtime don't help either. I'm not sure economists have agreement on your assessment.

Do you have data to backup your claims? The inflection point for wage growth diverging from GDP is from the early 70s, which matches the start of increased women participation in workforce as well as a dramatic increase in immigrants. We see the same inflection characteristic in the growth of of the US labor force size, pointing to the dramatic increased labor supply as the cause for the suppression of wage growth. The other factors you mentioned simply does not show a similar direct one-to-one relationship even if they do contribute *some* cause within certain industries or sectors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any attorneys here who can comment on the use of this language by Mueller. He is quoted by Barr as saying the investigation "did not establish" collusion. Is that the same as no collusion?

Not an attorney, but my take is that while there were several interactions between Trump campaign people and the Russians or intermediaries for the Russians who were trying to help Trump, the Trump campaign side of it featured mostly incompetent self-promoters and was too disorganized, amateurish, and unprofessional to meet the definition of a conspiracy.

For example, Trump saying, "Russia, if your listening, find Hillary's missing emails" was such an idiotic thing to say that it is evidence against collusion because no one involved in a real criminal conspiracy would be stupid enough to say that.

Thanks!!
I really hope someone (Congress) uses the report to issue clear guidelines on what is within the bounds for Presidential campaigns going forward including their contacts with foreign governments
For all their bleating, there is little doubt that an incredible number of Trump associates met with Russians who were in Putin’s inner circle and/or in Russian intelligence. There is also little doubt that these same people lied repeatedly about these meetings. I really don’t feel good about the way the campaign conducted itself and I want to be sure this kind of behavior is never repeated by any Presidential campaign (from any party) in the future

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any attorneys here who can comment on the use of this language by Mueller. He is quoted by Barr as saying the investigation "did not establish" collusion. Is that the same as no collusion?

Not an attorney, but my take is that while there were several interactions between Trump campaign people and the Russians or intermediaries for the Russians who were trying to help Trump, the Trump campaign side of it featured mostly incompetent self-promoters and was too disorganized, amateurish, and unprofessional to meet the definition of a conspiracy.

For example, Trump saying, "Russia, if your listening, find Hillary's missing emails" was such an idiotic thing to say that it is evidence against collusion because no one involved in a real criminal conspiracy would be stupid enough to say that.

Thanks!!
I really hope someone (Congress) uses the report to issue clear guidelines on what is within the bounds for Presidential campaigns going forward including their contacts with foreign governments
For all their bleating, there is little doubt that an incredible number of Trump associates met with Russians who were in Putin’s inner circle and/or in Russian intelligence. There is also little doubt that these same people lied repeatedly about these meetings. I really don’t feel good about the way the campaign conducted itself and I want to be sure this kind of behavior is never repeated by any Presidential campaign (from any party) in the future

Congress will not do this. Presidential campaigns will not be held to any standards set by Congress.
The purpose of presidential campaigns is to get elected. Candidates make promises they can't or don't intend to keep.
You cannot possibly predict every situation that would arise during a campaign and putting restrictions on what can and cannot be said by a candidate or a campaign is a slippery slope.
The electorate will decide.