My kid is in a class with a chair thrower

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When did the move towards mainstreaming all kids happen? Is that the new best practices?

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If I had a child in a classroom with a chair thrower I would tell my child to evacuate the room and go somewhere safe such as the principal’s office and encourage their classmates to join them. Making kids tolerate this in their class is nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

Worry about your kid. Call the cops, sue, move, whatever.

Don't pretend to have an idea about what other people's kids need.

I do know. It is obvious to everyone but the parents who are in denial.

You really think you know what is better for other children than their own parents?

Are you an extreme narcissist or just delusional? I feel bad for your child being raised in a home with someone like you.

I have expertise.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

Worry about your kid. Call the cops, sue, move, whatever.

Don't pretend to have an idea about what other people's kids need.

I do know. It is obvious to everyone but the parents who are in denial.

You really think you know what is better for other children than their own parents?

Are you an extreme narcissist or just delusional? I feel bad for your child being raised in a home with someone like you.

I have expertise.

Ok troll.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

This gets to the essence of so many posters’ responses. Unlike other forms of disabilities, mental health disorders and neurodivergence resulting in behavioral issues are deemed to be parental fault by so many. It’s depressing to read. Do you not realize that you can both not want these disruptions in your child’s classroom, and also have an ounce of sympathy for the children children who are struggling and their parents.

I have a child who causes distractions in the classroom (thankfully not violent) and it’s so difficult. He’s in therapies and has had evals and an IEP since pre-k. We meet with his teachers frequently and there is a lot more going on behind the scenes with trial and error than you are aware of. It’s totally unfair to just dismiss disruptive kids as being the result of poor parenting. I have another child who is a class role model with excellent behavior, which is the result of so much more than just my parenting. We have less control over our children’s behavior than we’d like to admit.

So maybe just count your blessings you aren’t dealing with these issues, advocate for your child as you feel you need to do, and have some empathy for others.

Nowhere in this screed did you show empathy for the children that your kid is disrupting. Nowhere. Do not demand something you won't give.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

Worry about your kid. Call the cops, sue, move, whatever.

Don't pretend to have an idea about what other people's kids need.

I do know. It is obvious to everyone but the parents who are in denial.

You really think you know what is better for other children than their own parents?

Are you an extreme narcissist or just delusional? I feel bad for your child being raised in a home with someone like you.

I have expertise.

Ok troll.

Consider for a moment that I am correct, rather than dismissing an idea you disagree with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When did the move towards mainstreaming all kids happen? Is that the new best practices?

The 2004 IDEA law. The dreaded “free and appropriate public education” in the “least restrictive environment” that has been totally bastardized by the sped lobby. It’s been all downhill since then.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

You "just get therapy" posters are hugely unaware of the struggle to find therapists and the time it takes for therapies to result in real change. I't not an easy and quick fix, and struggling children are entitled to FAPE just like the "normal" kids.

So it takes years of specialized therapy to make progress but a non professional like a teacher is supposed to provide these services daily, while also educating 20 other children?

FAPE does not entitle these children to a mainstream classroom. Meanwhile, all students and teachers are entitled to safety. Schools that knowingly fail to prevent physical harm get sued.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

This gets to the essence of so many posters’ responses. Unlike other forms of disabilities, mental health disorders and neurodivergence resulting in behavioral issues are deemed to be parental fault by so many. It’s depressing to read. Do you not realize that you can both not want these disruptions in your child’s classroom, and also have an ounce of sympathy for the children children who are struggling and their parents.

I have a child who causes distractions in the classroom (thankfully not violent) and it’s so difficult. He’s in therapies and has had evals and an IEP since pre-k. We meet with his teachers frequently and there is a lot more going on behind the scenes with trial and error than you are aware of. It’s totally unfair to just dismiss disruptive kids as being the result of poor parenting. I have another child who is a class role model with excellent behavior, which is the result of so much more than just my parenting. We have less control over our children’s behavior than we’d like to admit.

So maybe just count your blessings you aren’t dealing with these issues, advocate for your child as you feel you need to do, and have some empathy for others.

Nowhere in this screed did you show empathy for the children that your kid is disrupting. Nowhere. Do not demand something you won't give.

She is asking you to advocate for your child as you need to do. That's empathy.

You want to advocate for yours and then " fake advocate" for hers. That's deranged behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

This gets to the essence of so many posters’ responses. Unlike other forms of disabilities, mental health disorders and neurodivergence resulting in behavioral issues are deemed to be parental fault by so many. It’s depressing to read. Do you not realize that you can both not want these disruptions in your child’s classroom, and also have an ounce of sympathy for the children children who are struggling and their parents.

I have a child who causes distractions in the classroom (thankfully not violent) and it’s so difficult. He’s in therapies and has had evals and an IEP since pre-k. We meet with his teachers frequently and there is a lot more going on behind the scenes with trial and error than you are aware of. It’s totally unfair to just dismiss disruptive kids as being the result of poor parenting. I have another child who is a class role model with excellent behavior, which is the result of so much more than just my parenting. We have less control over our children’s behavior than we’d like to admit.

So maybe just count your blessings you aren’t dealing with these issues, advocate for your child as you feel you need to do, and have some empathy for others.

Nowhere in this screed did you show empathy for the children that your kid is disrupting. Nowhere. Do not demand something you won't give.

My response was directly to a statement about these issues being the fault of bad parenting. It was not a response to the topic at large. I was addressing the PP’s statement the way many posters address a specific prior poster.

I do have empathy for the other kids in class. In fact I have 2 other kids who are NT and I’ve been on the other side of this too including a child who was bullied by a kid with an IEP, so we had to be patient as that got worked out. I get that it is hard for other parents in the class with disruptive kids and I support them advocating for their own child, which is something I mentioned above.

But I think there is a BIG difference between advocating for your child and their ability to learn with out distractions versus being the person who blames other parents and presumes you know anything about the types of treatments and therapies that have been tried.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

Worry about your kid. Call the cops, sue, move, whatever.

Don't pretend to have an idea about what other people's kids need.

I do know. It is obvious to everyone but the parents who are in denial.

You really think you know what is better for other children than their own parents?

Are you an extreme narcissist or just delusional? I feel bad for your child being raised in a home with someone like you.

I have expertise.

Ok troll.

Consider for a moment that I am correct, rather than dismissing an idea you disagree with.

No, I’m not going to spend a moment considering that you, anonymous Internet poster, know what is best for an entire group of kids with varying symptoms and diagnoses that you have never met in your life because that is absurd. The fact you think you, who doesn’t seem to give a crap about these kids, somehow know better than the teachers and parents involved is so patently asinine that I don’t need to take you seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

You "just get therapy" posters are hugely unaware of the struggle to find therapists and the time it takes for therapies to result in real change. I't not an easy and quick fix, and struggling children are entitled to FAPE just like the "normal" kids.

So it takes years of specialized therapy to make progress but a non professional like a teacher is supposed to provide these services daily, while also educating 20 other children?

FAPE does not entitle these children to a mainstream classroom. Meanwhile, all students and teachers are entitled to safety. Schools that knowingly fail to prevent physical harm get sued.

I am not sure the PP is disagreeing with you. But what are the solutions? If you don't have any, that's fine. Keep fighting by telling your school that the current situation is untenable. But if you tell them you want somebody else's child out of the school and at home, they will look at you like an idiot, which would be what your are if you think that's a good solution

In our case we bugged the principal for an aide. Parents kept holding meeting after meeting with him. I am not sure how he got it done, but he did.

While this was happening, they moved the kid to sit next to the teacher on a separate desk. And the staff and volunteer parents during recess were told to pay special attention to that kid. This helped a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

You "just get therapy" posters are hugely unaware of the struggle to find therapists and the time it takes for therapies to result in real change. I't not an easy and quick fix, and struggling children are entitled to FAPE just like the "normal" kids.

So it takes years of specialized therapy to make progress but a non professional like a teacher is supposed to provide these services daily, while also educating 20 other children?

FAPE does not entitle these children to a mainstream classroom. Meanwhile, all students and teachers are entitled to safety. Schools that knowingly fail to prevent physical harm get sued.

DP

Many children receive services in school from school psychologists and other therapists.

Please share with me your case study of a school being sued (and losing) due to a situation like the one cited here. Genuinely curious as I have not seen one.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

Worry about your kid. Call the cops, sue, move, whatever.

Don't pretend to have an idea about what other people's kids need.

I do know. It is obvious to everyone but the parents who are in denial.

You really think you know what is better for other children than their own parents?

Are you an extreme narcissist or just delusional? I feel bad for your child being raised in a home with someone like you.

I have expertise.

Ok troll.

Consider for a moment that I am correct, rather than dismissing an idea you disagree with.

No, I’m not going to spend a moment considering that you, anonymous Internet poster, know what is best for an entire group of kids with varying symptoms and diagnoses that you have never met in your life because that is absurd. The fact you think you, who doesn’t seem to give a crap about these kids, somehow know better than the teachers and parents involved is so patently asinine that I don’t need to take you seriously.

You must realize who the troll is here then.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

You "just get therapy" posters are hugely unaware of the struggle to find therapists and the time it takes for therapies to result in real change. I't not an easy and quick fix, and struggling children are entitled to FAPE just like the "normal" kids.

So it takes years of specialized therapy to make progress but a non professional like a teacher is supposed to provide these services daily, while also educating 20 other children?

FAPE does not entitle these children to a mainstream classroom. Meanwhile, all students and teachers are entitled to safety. Schools that knowingly fail to prevent physical harm get sued.

I am not sure the PP is disagreeing with you. But what are the solutions? If you don't have any, that's fine. Keep fighting by telling your school that the current situation is untenable. But if you tell them you want somebody else's child out of the school and at home, they will look at you like an idiot, which would be what your are if you think that's a good solution

In our case we bugged the principal for an aide. Parents kept holding meeting after meeting with him. I am not sure how he got it done, but he did.

While this was happening, they moved the kid to sit next to the teacher on a separate desk. And the staff and volunteer parents during recess were told to pay special attention to that kid. This helped a lot.

You're delusional if you think the teachers don't secretly agree that some kids would be better served outside the classroom. Do you think they like being abused by their students? They are often caught in the fray.