My kid is in a class with a chair thrower

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

I can’t afford it. The vast majority of people can’t. Full time therapy (like a partial in patient program) can be a hundred thousand dollars private pay, if you can even get a spot. If your family income is that of an average American, say $90k, there is simply no way to make it work. None.

Well, they aren’t getting therapy at school. Nor are they truly getting educated if they are being violent and disruptive regularly. Plus they are hindering the education of all the other kids. So basically, school is just functioning as a place to give parents a break.

You would know that they aren't getting any education since your own kids aren't. So go first, pull yours out and she will follow.

The difference is the average teacher is capable of teaching my child, and my child is capable of learning in a regular classroom.

You have no idea what their child is capable of or what they are learning.

And yours is the one being disrupted according to your own admission. Yours can go elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

I can’t afford it. The vast majority of people can’t. Full time therapy (like a partial in patient program) can be a hundred thousand dollars private pay, if you can even get a spot. If your family income is that of an average American, say $90k, there is simply no way to make it work. None.

What makes you think the average tax payer can afford to fund it? Also why should they fund your medical bills and not those of parents of children with Cystic Fibrosis or any other hardship?

Are you asking why health insurance should cover health care? Perhaps you’d like to go without yourself? You don’t need that cancer medicine, do you? No chemo for you! Good parents don’t get cancer, after all. They stay healthy so the normal tax payer isn’t inconvenienced!

Actually, if my kid gets cancer, I can't drop her off at school and tell the school the cancer is their problem because its too expensive for me to solve. If my kid gets sick I'm on my own.

Schools don’t take over medical care for kids with mental health issues either. They just provide an education which would happen for a kid with cancer too.

Not true. Schools are expected to control the behavior, which is a symptom of the “illness” and not part of educating the student.

Schools are accommodating disabilities, not providing treatment. A 1:1 aide or smaller class is a tool to help the child access education just like a wheelchair ramp.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

You support 1 over the other 20. It's pretty gross actually.

I support the 20. You are claiming that your child is the 1 who cannot learn in a public school classroom because it's too disruptive for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

Worry about your kid. Call the cops, sue, move, whatever.

Don't pretend to have an idea about what other people's kids need.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

You "just get therapy" posters are hugely unaware of the struggle to find therapists and the time it takes for therapies to result in real change. I't not an easy and quick fix, and struggling children are entitled to FAPE just like the "normal" kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

Worry about your kid. Call the cops, sue, move, whatever.

Don't pretend to have an idea about what other people's kids need.

I do know. It is obvious to everyone but the parents who are in denial.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

I can’t afford it. The vast majority of people can’t. Full time therapy (like a partial in patient program) can be a hundred thousand dollars private pay, if you can even get a spot. If your family income is that of an average American, say $90k, there is simply no way to make it work. None.

What makes you think the average tax payer can afford to fund it? Also why should they fund your medical bills and not those of parents of children with Cystic Fibrosis or any other hardship?

Are you asking why health insurance should cover health care? Perhaps you’d like to go without yourself? You don’t need that cancer medicine, do you? No chemo for you! Good parents don’t get cancer, after all. They stay healthy so the normal tax payer isn’t inconvenienced!

Actually, if my kid gets cancer, I can't drop her off at school and tell the school the cancer is their problem because its too expensive for me to solve. If my kid gets sick I'm on my own.

Schools don’t take over medical care for kids with mental health issues either. They just provide an education which would happen for a kid with cancer too.

Not true. Schools are expected to control the behavior, which is a symptom of the “illness” and not part of educating the student.

Schools are accommodating disabilities, not providing treatment. A 1:1 aide or smaller class is a tool to help the child access education just like a wheelchair ramp.

I think this a large part of the problem. Now all behavioral issues are being labeled disabilities- when many times, they aren’t. They are the result of environment/poor parenting.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

Worry about your kid. Call the cops, sue, move, whatever.

Don't pretend to have an idea about what other people's kids need.

I do know. It is obvious to everyone but the parents who are in denial.

It's obvious to everyone that you are obsessed with these kids and you need help. There are channels and options available to you to complain listed all over this thread. Yet you keep insisting on what children you barely know need.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

Worry about your kid. Call the cops, sue, move, whatever.

Don't pretend to have an idea about what other people's kids need.

People are worried about their kids. That's the point. Focusing on my kid may involve documenting the other kids threats and behavior so that the school can figure out a better solution than the status quo. You don't get to tell people that people aren't allowed to have ideas on what may help.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

This gets to the essence of so many posters’ responses. Unlike other forms of disabilities, mental health disorders and neurodivergence resulting in behavioral issues are deemed to be parental fault by so many. It’s depressing to read. Do you not realize that you can both not want these disruptions in your child’s classroom, and also have an ounce of sympathy for the children children who are struggling and their parents.

I have a child who causes distractions in the classroom (thankfully not violent) and it’s so difficult. He’s in therapies and has had evals and an IEP since pre-k. We meet with his teachers frequently and there is a lot more going on behind the scenes with trial and error than you are aware of. It’s totally unfair to just dismiss disruptive kids as being the result of poor parenting. I have another child who is a class role model with excellent behavior, which is the result of so much more than just my parenting. We have less control over our children’s behavior than we’d like to admit.

So maybe just count your blessings you aren’t dealing with these issues, advocate for your child as you feel you need to do, and have some empathy for others.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

+1. It’s even written into many IEP’s that these kids require grade level peers. That is not my child’s responsibility.

So keep yours in virtual. No one is stopping you.

My child is not violent and doesn’t disrupt class.

These are not requirements for public school attendance.

But feel free to start your own school with these requirements.

Assault is not legal. I guess I could just call the cops if my kid gets hurt by another child and sue the family.

Go right ahead!

You must think you're being a really good ally and helpful, but you're just a clown at this point.

No, you are the helpful one trying to stop other children from having access to education.

Mainstreaming these kids is actually depriving them of the therapy they need to make progress. It is the worst possible thing since it also harms the rest of the class.

Are you their therapist? Are you their teacher? Are you their pediatrician? If not shut up and focus on your kid.

My kid is under threat of violence and constant class disruptions because of terrible parenting choices by others who don’t get their kids proper therapy and just mainstream.

Worry about your kid. Call the cops, sue, move, whatever.

Don't pretend to have an idea about what other people's kids need.

I do know. It is obvious to everyone but the parents who are in denial.

You really think you know what is better for other children than their own parents?

Are you an extreme narcissist or just delusional? I feel bad for your child being raised in a home with someone like you.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

I can’t afford it. The vast majority of people can’t. Full time therapy (like a partial in patient program) can be a hundred thousand dollars private pay, if you can even get a spot. If your family income is that of an average American, say $90k, there is simply no way to make it work. None.

What makes you think the average tax payer can afford to fund it? Also why should they fund your medical bills and not those of parents of children with Cystic Fibrosis or any other hardship?

Are you asking why health insurance should cover health care? Perhaps you’d like to go without yourself? You don’t need that cancer medicine, do you? No chemo for you! Good parents don’t get cancer, after all. They stay healthy so the normal tax payer isn’t inconvenienced!

Actually, if my kid gets cancer, I can't drop her off at school and tell the school the cancer is their problem because its too expensive for me to solve. If my kid gets sick I'm on my own.

Schools don’t take over medical care for kids with mental health issues either. They just provide an education which would happen for a kid with cancer too.

Not true. Schools are expected to control the behavior, which is a symptom of the “illness” and not part of educating the student.

Schools are accommodating disabilities, not providing treatment. A 1:1 aide or smaller class is a tool to help the child access education just like a wheelchair ramp.

I think this a large part of the problem. Now all behavioral issues are being labeled disabilities- when many times, they aren’t. They are the result of environment/poor parenting.

Right. Highly credentialed neuropsychologists are just handing out diagnoses like candy and you, random Internet parent, are so much more knowledgeable. Glad you have it all figured out.