Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger - arrest warrant affadavit

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Anonymous wrote:I would bet that the surviving roommate had her door open only a crack when she saw the killer and he didn't see her. OR, something had gone wrong and he wanted to get out as fast as possible -- i.e. he had a cut on his hand, his knife had broken, or one of the victims had been loud and he was worried about police coming.

I thought it said that he walked past her in the hall?

"“Mortensen described the figure as 5′ 10″ or taller, male, not very muscular, but athletically built with bushy eyebrows. The male walked past [her] as she stood in a ‘frozen shock phase.’:

I guess it could mean she was in her doorway and he walked past/didnt' see her?

I do not believe there is any evidence he saw her or was otherwise aware of her presence in the open door.

Remember:

he had just murdered several people, and

it was dark, and

it was, what, - maybe - 4 AM in the morning or so?

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Anonymous wrote:I just heard a crime analyst speaking on CNN and he said many are saying this doesn’t fit the profile of a first killing. So investigators are looking into unsolved cases in Pennsylvania and other places he’s been to see if anything matches his profile….. chilling.

What they mean is it doesn't fit the profile of serial killers - who commit multiple murders. This guy focus on just doing one murder and there weren't any more and maybe there never would have been. Maybe he just wanted to "prove" he could get away with it one time. His mistake was simple - the idea of murder, the theory of murder, the story of murder - all those are easy to make perfect. His mistake was forgetting that real life is not as easy and when things are really happening its so much different.

But given his supposed intelligence, quite dumb not to think about car ID, security cameras, cell phone pings etc. Quite bizarre really.

I haven't read anything to indicate he was high IQ. He didn't go to top schools or anything.

OMG what a moron.

You consider 285/443 a top university? Please explain.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/desales-university-3986/overall-rankings#:~:text=DeSales%20University%20is%20ranked%20%23285,about%20how%20we%20rank%20schools.

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Anonymous wrote:The only part I would find hard as a parent is if I found out they were alive and help could have saved them. If they died and would have died from the stab wounds even if help did arrive in ten minutes, it would give me a sense of peace that no intervention would have been helpful. Same is true for the surviving roommate who also has to live with this. For her own mental health, I hope all her roommates died quickly.

There is every reason to believe this was the case, hence the absence of noise.

Or it could be similar to silent drowning. You expect people to be thrashing around and gasping for air while drowning, but it's actually just a quiet slipping under the water. The autopsy will tell us and hoping for the parents, it was an instant death.

The noises were picked up on the neighbors camera. There was noise and the witness could hear the victim communicating with the killer. That verbal exchange was one of the three times she opened her door.

No one was screaming or yelling. People talking late at night isn’t unusual.

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Anonymous wrote:I would bet that the surviving roommate had her door open only a crack when she saw the killer and he didn't see her. OR, something had gone wrong and he wanted to get out as fast as possible -- i.e. he had a cut on his hand, his knife had broken, or one of the victims had been loud and he was worried about police coming.

I think he was just tired and done. It takes a lot of energy to kill 4 people. He probably felt it was too risky to try for a fifth.

Correct.

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Anonymous wrote:The only part I would find hard as a parent is if I found out they were alive and help could have saved them. If they died and would have died from the stab wounds even if help did arrive in ten minutes, it would give me a sense of peace that no intervention would have been helpful. Same is true for the surviving roommate who also has to live with this. For her own mental health, I hope all her roommates died quickly.

There is every reason to believe this was the case, hence the absence of noise.

Or it could be similar to silent drowning. You expect people to be thrashing around and gasping for air while drowning, but it's actually just a quiet slipping under the water. The autopsy will tell us and hoping for the parents, it was an instant death.

The noises were picked up on the neighbors camera. There was noise and the witness could hear the victim communicating with the killer. That verbal exchange was one of the three times she opened her door.

No one was screaming or yelling. People talking late at night isn’t unusual.

The neighbor spoke about scream, the police body cam picked up a scream, there are articles on this before the indictment came out.

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Anonymous wrote:I would bet that the surviving roommate had her door open only a crack when she saw the killer and he didn't see her. OR, something had gone wrong and he wanted to get out as fast as possible -- i.e. he had a cut on his hand, his knife had broken, or one of the victims had been loud and he was worried about police coming.

I think he was just tired and done. It takes a lot of energy to kill 4 people. He probably felt it was too risky to try for a fifth.

Correct.

I Doubt that he saw her.

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Anonymous wrote:I would bet that the surviving roommate had her door open only a crack when she saw the killer and he didn't see her. OR, something had gone wrong and he wanted to get out as fast as possible -- i.e. he had a cut on his hand, his knife had broken, or one of the victims had been loud and he was worried about police coming.

I think he was just tired and done. It takes a lot of energy to kill 4 people. He probably felt it was too risky to try for a fifth.

Correct.

I Doubt that he saw her.

The affidavit doesn't say one way or the other, so why continue to belabor this?

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Anonymous wrote:Leave this poor girl alone. Under no scenario is she responsible or at fault. Stop second guessing. There are zero scenarios where she intentionally refrained from calling 911 or knowing her roommates where murdered or could have saved their lives. There are nut job amateur “sleuths” all over the country questioning her actions, or worse. This girl is 21, lived through something you did not, and the kind of second guessing going on here is heartless. Just stop.

I think it's very likely that she was very drunk possibly took something to fall asleep, heard voices but wasn't able to get up and never actually saw someone in the hall but vaguely recalls getting up at some point and knowing after the fact what happened that maybe she recalled she saw someone. Probably stems from a lot of guilt. Maybe from police questioning and insisting she must have saw something, heard something

Having lived in a shared house in college, what she reported hearing and even if she saw someone, wouldn't have caused me to go investigate. I would never think a murder had occurred and besides my only knowledge of such would be horror movies that involved a ton of screaming. You don't know everyone that comes through a shared house and yeah randos show up sometimes. The only thing that would change my mind is if it comes to light that she was texting people and asking what to. And it wasn't common for me to go into my roommates bedrooms in the morning either. If they didn't get up, I wouldn't have gone into check especially on nights we had been out to parties. And again, I wouldn't think a locked or unopened door meant murder.

That's not what it says in the affidavit. It explicitly states that her description matched with the accused. So, are you saying she's lying or too drunk? That fear response is not something you forget.

Yes, I already stated it's possible that she was too drunk, or believed she remembers something after the fact - she has convinced herself. Guilt, shame, questioning by police - I think all of those could play into it.
I understand it is in the affidavit. But the affidavit is a reflection of what she told the police, and I am suggesting she told them what she did not necessarily because it is true but what she wanted to be true. It happens.

"vaguely recalls getting up at some point and knowing after the fact what happened that maybe she recalled she saw someone. Probably stems from a lot of guilt. Maybe from police questioning and insisting she must have saw something, heard something"

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Anonymous wrote:I am tired of the roommates being blamed.

And? What if your daughter's roommate did nothing while your kid got murdered. She was safely locked in her room. Her inaction for seven hours inexcusable.

She lived in a party house with a bunch of roommates, and drunken shenanigans at all hours. She knew enough to feel nervous but obviously never imagined MURDERS were taking place. Ffs some of you people are heartless.

No, I read the evidence. It's heartless to hide in your room like a coward.

Yeah, I wonder what is up with that - that is almost impossible to explain.

No, it’s not. House was a party house. She always locked her doors due to the traffic and parties. And a mask over the nose and mouth doesn’t make people blink anymore.

Y’all are so warped. No one is wearing masks, in a residence at 4am in 2022, even in “liberal areas.” I haven’t worn a mask indoors in a private residence since I was vaccinated spring of 2021. Nor have I seen anyone else do it.

But if you are living in a party house and your mind is struggling to make sense of what you just saw, what makes more sense: my roommate had a weird guy over who is wearing a covid mask or a psycho killer just killed my roommates and is trying to hide his identity? I can only imagine if she called the cops with this story (weird but not threatening noises, guy walking through house wearing surgical mask), even if they did go out on the call, they would have told her to drink a glass of water, go to bed, and never bother them about this cr*p again because they aren't her mommy and daddy.

+1 the noises that she heard do not indicate murder. Not sure why some people are fixed on the roommate. It seems that Even if she called 911, they wouldn’t survive.

Because it's much easier and more satisfying to twist yourself into a pretzel and blame her, rather than the man who came in and stabbed them all to death.

Literally no one is blaming her. We just wonder why she didn’t call.

It really doesn’t matter why she didn’t call.

When I was in college, a drunk football player who was mad at my roommate came to our room one night with a friend and banged on the (locked) door for about ten minutes yelling that he was going to kill us when he got in. I knew both guys by names, faces and voices and looked out the peephole to confirm that it was them. My roommate wasn't there; I was alone and called campus police. He heard this and took off. Campus police told me that because I had not opened the door to confirm that it was him, it would be his word against mine, and they could do nothing.

That's why women don't call.

Ok, you're right. There's many of us with similar stories. But even if the police got there and caller her a liar, they would have found 4 dead people.

Hindsight is 20/20. Despite being yelled at and directly told by the guy that he was planning to kill us, I would have been knocked over with a feather if he had walked upstairs in our dorm and killed someone else. As has been pointed out repeatedly here, the odds that any given weirdo on or near a college campus is engaged in normally weird 20-something behavior are so much higher than the odds that he is a sociopathic murderer that 99 times out of 100, she would have called and been given a very perfunctory response. There is no role for blaming her.

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Anonymous wrote:The only part I would find hard as a parent is if I found out they were alive and help could have saved them. If they died and would have died from the stab wounds even if help did arrive in ten minutes, it would give me a sense of peace that no intervention would have been helpful. Same is true for the surviving roommate who also has to live with this. For her own mental health, I hope all her roommates died quickly.

There is every reason to believe this was the case, hence the absence of noise.

Or it could be similar to silent drowning. You expect people to be thrashing around and gasping for air while drowning, but it's actually just a quiet slipping under the water. The autopsy will tell us and hoping for the parents, it was an instant death.

The noises were picked up on the neighbors camera. There was noise and the witness could hear the victim communicating with the killer. That verbal exchange was one of the three times she opened her door.

No one was screaming or yelling. People talking late at night isn’t unusual.

It was enough for her to leave her room three times to check, and then be frozen in shock when she saw him.

Not your regular college hookup from your roommate.

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Anonymous wrote:I am tired of the roommates being blamed.

And? What if your daughter's roommate did nothing while your kid got murdered. She was safely locked in her room. Her inaction for seven hours inexcusable.

She lived in a party house with a bunch of roommates, and drunken shenanigans at all hours. She knew enough to feel nervous but obviously never imagined MURDERS were taking place. Ffs some of you people are heartless.

No, I read the evidence. It's heartless to hide in your room like a coward.

Yeah, I wonder what is up with that - that is almost impossible to explain.

No, it’s not. House was a party house. She always locked her doors due to the traffic and parties. And a mask over the nose and mouth doesn’t make people blink anymore.

Y’all are so warped. No one is wearing masks, in a residence at 4am in 2022, even in “liberal areas.” I haven’t worn a mask indoors in a private residence since I was vaccinated spring of 2021. Nor have I seen anyone else do it.

But if you are living in a party house and your mind is struggling to make sense of what you just saw, what makes more sense: my roommate had a weird guy over who is wearing a covid mask or a psycho killer just killed my roommates and is trying to hide his identity? I can only imagine if she called the cops with this story (weird but not threatening noises, guy walking through house wearing surgical mask), even if they did go out on the call, they would have told her to drink a glass of water, go to bed, and never bother them about this cr*p again because they aren't her mommy and daddy.

+1 the noises that she heard do not indicate murder. Not sure why some people are fixed on the roommate. It seems that Even if she called 911, they wouldn’t survive.

Because it's much easier and more satisfying to twist yourself into a pretzel and blame her, rather than the man who came in and stabbed them all to death.

Literally no one is blaming her. We just wonder why she didn’t call.

It really doesn’t matter why she didn’t call.

When I was in college, a drunk football player who was mad at my roommate came to our room one night with a friend and banged on the (locked) door for about ten minutes yelling that he was going to kill us when he got in. I knew both guys by names, faces and voices and looked out the peephole to confirm that it was them. My roommate wasn't there; I was alone and called campus police. He heard this and took off. Campus police told me that because I had not opened the door to confirm that it was him, it would be his word against mine, and they could do nothing.

That's why women don't call.

Stop being a victim. Women CAN, and should DEMAND police protection from predators, but that takes a budget. So why exactly the “defund the police”
help?

Oh, and if that happens to anyone else here, tape the threat on your phone if possible. In any case, you GO to the police department, and make them file a written report and you get a copy.

I'm not a victim and don't need your unasked-for advice about this. Ultimately the guy was expelled (from an institution of higher education! Almost unheard-of) in a process I played a role in.

It was in 1993, so no one had a phone or a digital camera.

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Anonymous wrote:I just heard a crime analyst speaking on CNN and he said many are saying this doesn’t fit the profile of a first killing. So investigators are looking into unsolved cases in Pennsylvania and other places he’s been to see if anything matches his profile….. chilling.

What they mean is it doesn't fit the profile of serial killers - who commit multiple murders. This guy focus on just doing one murder and there weren't any more and maybe there never would have been. Maybe he just wanted to "prove" he could get away with it one time. His mistake was simple - the idea of murder, the theory of murder, the story of murder - all those are easy to make perfect. His mistake was forgetting that real life is not as easy and when things are really happening its so much different.

But given his supposed intelligence, quite dumb not to think about car ID, security cameras, cell phone pings etc. Quite bizarre really.

I haven't read anything to indicate he was high IQ. He didn't go to top schools or anything.

OMG what a moron.

You consider 285/443 a top university? Please explain.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/desales-university-3986/overall-rankings#:~:text=DeSales%20University%20is%20ranked%20%23285,about%20how%20we%20rank%20schools.

There are more than 3000 colleges and universities in the US. The top 443 are all "top" by definition.

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Anonymous wrote:The only part I would find hard as a parent is if I found out they were alive and help could have saved them. If they died and would have died from the stab wounds even if help did arrive in ten minutes, it would give me a sense of peace that no intervention would have been helpful. Same is true for the surviving roommate who also has to live with this. For her own mental health, I hope all her roommates died quickly.

There is every reason to believe this was the case, hence the absence of noise.

Or it could be similar to silent drowning. You expect people to be thrashing around and gasping for air while drowning, but it's actually just a quiet slipping under the water. The autopsy will tell us and hoping for the parents, it was an instant death.

The noises were picked up on the neighbors camera. There was noise and the witness could hear the victim communicating with the killer. That verbal exchange was one of the three times she opened her door.

No one was screaming or yelling. People talking late at night isn’t unusual.

The neighbor spoke about scream, the police body cam picked up a scream, there are articles on this before the indictment came out.

what police body cam picked up a scream?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am tired of the roommates being blamed.

And? What if your daughter's roommate did nothing while your kid got murdered. She was safely locked in her room. Her inaction for seven hours inexcusable.

She lived in a party house with a bunch of roommates, and drunken shenanigans at all hours. She knew enough to feel nervous but obviously never imagined MURDERS were taking place. Ffs some of you people are heartless.

No, I read the evidence. It's heartless to hide in your room like a coward.

Yeah, I wonder what is up with that - that is almost impossible to explain.

No, it’s not. House was a party house. She always locked her doors due to the traffic and parties. And a mask over the nose and mouth doesn’t make people blink anymore.

Y’all are so warped. No one is wearing masks, in a residence at 4am in 2022, even in “liberal areas.” I haven’t worn a mask indoors in a private residence since I was vaccinated spring of 2021. Nor have I seen anyone else do it.

But if you are living in a party house and your mind is struggling to make sense of what you just saw, what makes more sense: my roommate had a weird guy over who is wearing a covid mask or a psycho killer just killed my roommates and is trying to hide his identity? I can only imagine if she called the cops with this story (weird but not threatening noises, guy walking through house wearing surgical mask), even if they did go out on the call, they would have told her to drink a glass of water, go to bed, and never bother them about this cr*p again because they aren't her mommy and daddy.

+1 the noises that she heard do not indicate murder. Not sure why some people are fixed on the roommate. It seems that Even if she called 911, they wouldn’t survive.

Because it's much easier and more satisfying to twist yourself into a pretzel and blame her, rather than the man who came in and stabbed them all to death.

Literally no one is blaming her. We just wonder why she didn’t call.

It really doesn’t matter why she didn’t call.

When I was in college, a drunk football player who was mad at my roommate came to our room one night with a friend and banged on the (locked) door for about ten minutes yelling that he was going to kill us when he got in. I knew both guys by names, faces and voices and looked out the peephole to confirm that it was them. My roommate wasn't there; I was alone and called campus police. He heard this and took off. Campus police told me that because I had not opened the door to confirm that it was him, it would be his word against mine, and they could do nothing.

That's why women don't call.

Ugh...way too typical and so maddening. This reminded me that in college my roommate's BF broke down our front door. I don't recall what happened, but I don't think she called the police. He was with his friends, who did not stop him.

He has a very uncommon first name, so I wonder if he's on any of those FB groups of men to stay away from.

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Anonymous wrote:The only part I would find hard as a parent is if I found out they were alive and help could have saved them. If they died and would have died from the stab wounds even if help did arrive in ten minutes, it would give me a sense of peace that no intervention would have been helpful. Same is true for the surviving roommate who also has to live with this. For her own mental health, I hope all her roommates died quickly.

There is every reason to believe this was the case, hence the absence of noise.

Or it could be similar to silent drowning. You expect people to be thrashing around and gasping for air while drowning, but it's actually just a quiet slipping under the water. The autopsy will tell us and hoping for the parents, it was an instant death.

The noises were picked up on the neighbors camera. There was noise and the witness could hear the victim communicating with the killer. That verbal exchange was one of the three times she opened her door.

No one was screaming or yelling. People talking late at night isn’t unusual.

The neighbor spoke about scream, the police body cam picked up a scream, there are articles on this before the indictment came out.

what police body cam picked up a scream?

https://nypost.com/2022/12/17/scream-picked-up-by-police-bodycam-night-of-idaho-murders-report/amp/
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-scream-idaho-student-quadruple-killing-20221217-tor7ialig5aqpaj4f6bs4x6fmm-story.html
https://meaww.com/amp/idaho-murders-possible-scream-of-one-of-the-victims-may-got-caught-on-police-bodycam

The articles are plentiful these are just a few