Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger - arrest warrant affadavit

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any evidence of a motive yet?

I don't think so. I guess we'll see if the incel stalking theory has legs. The affidavit says his cell phone pinged by the house a number of times since June, which supports that hypothesis.

also at the coffee shop, i wonder if one of them worked there.

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TWELVE times. The murderer drove by the house, where HE ultimately murdered FOUR young, innocent people, TWELVE freaking times.

This is precisely why stalking is a serious problem, and should be treated as such.

Those poor kids - their whole lives in front of them. Those of us with kids that age really feel this. They did nothing wrong.

I hope he gets what is coming to him. This is enraging.

We don’t know if he just drove by or parked across the street. Or stood in their yard and looked in their windows. Do we?

Why are you defending his creepy stalker behavior? He had no business there. Period.

I was not defending him! What a ridiculous conclusion.

The PP had said he drove by their house, and I said maybe it was worse than that. That he sat outside 12 times it walked in their yard/peered in their windows ?? Can you tell from “phone pings” which it was?

(Apology accepted)

NP. My guess is that the cops asked for any video from the dates of those pings.

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I would bet that the surviving roommate had her door open only a crack when she saw the killer and he didn't see her. OR, something had gone wrong and he wanted to get out as fast as possible -- i.e. he had a cut on his hand, his knife had broken, or one of the victims had been loud and he was worried about police coming.

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Anonymous wrote:I just heard a crime analyst speaking on CNN and he said many are saying this doesn’t fit the profile of a first killing. So investigators are looking into unsolved cases in Pennsylvania and other places he’s been to see if anything matches his profile….. chilling.

What they mean is it doesn't fit the profile of serial killers - who commit multiple murders. This guy focus on just doing one murder and there weren't any more and maybe there never would have been. Maybe he just wanted to "prove" he could get away with it one time. His mistake was simple - the idea of murder, the theory of murder, the story of murder - all those are easy to make perfect. His mistake was forgetting that real life is not as easy and when things are really happening its so much different.

But given his supposed intelligence, quite dumb not to think about car ID, security cameras, cell phone pings etc. Quite bizarre really.

I haven't read anything to indicate he was high IQ. He didn't go to top schools or anything.

OMG what a moron.

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Anonymous wrote:I would bet that the surviving roommate had her door open only a crack when she saw the killer and he didn't see her. OR, something had gone wrong and he wanted to get out as fast as possible -- i.e. he had a cut on his hand, his knife had broken, or one of the victims had been loud and he was worried about police coming.

I think he was just tired and done. It takes a lot of energy to kill 4 people. He probably felt it was too risky to try for a fifth.

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Anonymous wrote:The mask “covered his moth and nose.” She described his eyebrows as bushy. So she saw his eyes, and he had to have seen her.

One Reddit theory is that he was likely exhausted and didn’t care to. Though I am curious if him returning later that morning was to come back and kill the living roommates or to look for the knife sheath.

He must have been exhausted and maybe cut/injured himself that he was a bit disoriented. I think he was planning to get the knife sheath and kill the other roommates.

I don't think he ever planned to re-enter the house. I think he was looking for police activity. No one was awake at 9am. If he wanted to re-enter, he easily could have.

I don't think he would go back into the scene of the crime after daybreak - there were cameras on the house, and even he isn't that stupid.

For all we know, he didn't realize he left the knife sheath behind.

Read.the.affadavit.

He did go back.

The affidavit states his phone pinged "near the house" the next morning.

Yes. I’m not saying he went in. I definitely don’t think he did. But he drove all the way home, 10 miles away, and then his phone pinged back near the crime house several hours later.

Maybe he hoped he dropped the sheath wherever he parked the car and was looking for it.

Interesting thing about the sheath is there was only one drop of dna retrieved from the snap? He almost certainly wore gloves but maybe was sloppy for just a moment?

He always used gloves when handling the knife sheath? Even when not allegedly in the house?

The sloppiest of slop!

This case gets more and more bizarre every day

Yes, it's so weird that he messed up and left DNA at the scene and also had his phone on during his earlier drive-bys, etc. He really should have left it at home anytime he was anywhere in the vicinity of the house, university, etc. he messed up in such big ways for someone who studied crime scenes as a discipline. It almost seems like he wanted to get caught. Very odd.

The DNA on the snap could have been older.

Please read John Douglas’s books so you can understand a little better.

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Anonymous wrote:Note to self: no large group homes for DD in college.

Honestly, this is a freak occurrence. Random killings like this are exceedingly rare. The person most likely to harm your DD would be her significant other, or someone else she knows.

I don't want random men she doesn't know traipsing through the house at 4am and no one thinking this is weird at all, per so many people on this thread. No thanks. A dorm, or an apartment with 1-2 roomates max.

Bwahahah you think a dorm is any better?? It's hundreds of random people with very little (if any) supervision.

I hope you can afford a nice one bedroom for your kid off campus.

There actually weren't tons of people roaming my dorm at 4am. There are also key cards on the outside and dorm room doors have real locks, not just cheap bedroom locks.

And those keycard doors get propped open, just fyi.

So NOW propped open doors are bad?

Of course! Common sense!

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Anonymous wrote:The timeline is very fast. He is seen in his car still driving at 4:04 towards the house and then is seen driving away from the house at 4:20. Since he had to park and walk into the house and then walk back out again, he can't have been in the house for more than about 10-12 minutes. Xana was still on Tik Tok at 4:12.

The surviving roommate was awoken by a noise from the floor above her (exact time unknown) and then heard some crying and the dog barking and that was it before he walked past her. While she might have been sleepy and somewhat still inebriated, usually when you go listen outside your door because you heard a sound that caught your attention, you are very attuned to any noises. He was very quiet. I don't know if it has been released yet if the two girls on the 3rd floor were asleep or awake when they were killed. Xana was awake. Her boyfriend may have been asleep as he had to work in the morning.

The speed and quietness are both interesting factors about this case. I wonder if on one of his previous 12 casing missions, he had gone into the house before and knew the layout.

I think so. It is eerie and gross that he knew which were their rooms. I can't get over him having visited the area TWELVE times.

I can't wait for him to be caught pertaining to other murders in PA and/or WA and/or ID. People like him truly think they are above the law - the arrogance.

Also, having some of my DC about the age of the victims, a public hanging for him might suffice.

If he targeted one girl in particular, hypothetically Kaylee (it was her room in which the two girls were found together?), he might have known which room was hers just from casing the house. Unlikely she closed her curtains all the time, so he would have been able to figure it out. The other kids may well have been collateral damage, just wrong place wrong time.

Since he drove by the house 12 times, I'd be anything that he was obsessed with one of the girls. My money is on Madison--she was the prettiest, most striking etc. Look at the video outside the food truck. She is gorgeous. Clearly I think the couple was not his obsession.
The only thing is--did he mainly plan on killing one person (Madison or Kaylee) and figured the other one would likely have to be done away with as well and then killed the other two as collateral damage?
Or did he arrive knowing he would be killing 1 or even all 4? Clearly it he didn't intend to kill "exactly 4" because then why not kill 5 and 6? Plus it seems so unlikely that anyone (even a psychopath) would believe they could stab 4 young, healthy adults to death without the neighbors knowing.

I really think he arrived to kill one and 2/3/4 were all done away with to protect himself.

I find it really distasteful, bordering on disgusting that you are speculating about a brutal murder by discussing how hot the victims are.

There is a long history of sexualizing female crime victims and you are basically being a bro with this psychopath, like saying he has good taste or something.

Rape and murder are not anywhere on the spectrum of dating. Stop saying your can relate to this guys' choices. Really, you are getting more ugly than you realize.

I think the other PP is correct, not because of the girl's attractiveness but just because of how the sequence of events seem to have occurred. He expected to go in and target 1 person but ended up dealing with 4 of them because others woke up/ were already awake. The second girl (Kaylee) had moved out and was just visiting for the weekend. He might not have known she would be there.

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Anonymous wrote:The only part I would find hard as a parent is if I found out they were alive and help could have saved them. If they died and would have died from the stab wounds even if help did arrive in ten minutes, it would give me a sense of peace that no intervention would have been helpful. Same is true for the surviving roommate who also has to live with this. For her own mental health, I hope all her roommates died quickly.

There is every reason to believe this was the case, hence the absence of noise.

Or it could be similar to silent drowning. You expect people to be thrashing around and gasping for air while drowning, but it's actually just a quiet slipping under the water. The autopsy will tell us and hoping for the parents, it was an instant death.

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Anonymous wrote:The only part I would find hard as a parent is if I found out they were alive and help could have saved them. If they died and would have died from the stab wounds even if help did arrive in ten minutes, it would give me a sense of peace that no intervention would have been helpful. Same is true for the surviving roommate who also has to live with this. For her own mental health, I hope all her roommates died quickly.

There is every reason to believe this was the case, hence the absence of noise.

Or it could be similar to silent drowning. You expect people to be thrashing around and gasping for air while drowning, but it's actually just a quiet slipping under the water. The autopsy will tell us and hoping for the parents, it was an instant death.

The noises were picked up on the neighbors camera. There was noise and the witness could hear the victim communicating with the killer. That verbal exchange was one of the three times she opened her door.

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Was the victim who ordered the food one of the victims at the food truck? Wondering if the food was ordered if they planned to have more company come by as only so much is open or to be delivered at 4am in the town according to podcasts saying many clubs and bars had closed.

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Anonymous wrote:Was the victim who ordered the food one of the victims at the food truck? Wondering if the food was ordered if they planned to have more company come by as only so much is open or to be delivered at 4am in the town according to podcasts saying many clubs and bars had closed.

No, Madison and Kaylee were at the food truck around 1am.
Xena ordered Door Dash at 4am.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe he walked right by the housemate and didn’t kill her. It’s really notable.

And they found his footprint right in front of her door.

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Anonymous wrote:Was the victim who ordered the food one of the victims at the food truck? Wondering if the food was ordered if they planned to have more company come by as only so much is open or to be delivered at 4am in the town according to podcasts saying many clubs and bars had closed.

Different one.

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Anonymous wrote:I would bet that the surviving roommate had her door open only a crack when she saw the killer and he didn't see her. OR, something had gone wrong and he wanted to get out as fast as possible -- i.e. he had a cut on his hand, his knife had broken, or one of the victims had been loud and he was worried about police coming.

I thought it said that he walked past her in the hall?

"“Mortensen described the figure as 5′ 10″ or taller, male, not very muscular, but athletically built with bushy eyebrows. The male walked past [her] as she stood in a ‘frozen shock phase.’:

I guess it could mean she was in her doorway and he walked past/didnt' see her?

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe he walked right by the housemate and didn’t kill her. It’s really notable.

And they found his footprint right in front of her door.

She must have SO many conflicting emotions. But her parents will be eternally grateful to God that they still have their child.