PSA: Please do not host a Christian seder

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Anonymous wrote:The Passover that is described in the Bible is not the rabbinical Seder. It is, at best, Passover as it was celebrated at the Second Temple, which had no resemblance to how Jews celebrated it post 70 CE.

If you want to acknowledge the pre-rabbinical Seder and the Last Supper, eat lamb. Wait — you do that!

Why are you telling people how to celebrate their religious beliefs?

As has been said countless times on this thread, we cannot stop anyone from appropriating rabbinical Judaism and inserting Jesus into a Seder with Talmudic specifications. We can simply tell those people that what they are doing is offensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also want to point out that most of the specifications around how we do the Seder aren’t in the Torah at all (the only overlap we have, textually, between us and Christians). They’re in the Talmud, the primary text of Rabbinical Judaism, which specifies traditional Jewish laws.

So by taking those specifications and putting Jesus in it, you’re literally drawing from a completely *Jewish* legal text. You’re not even taking from the Bible at all.

There are very specific symbolic links between the Seder and Christian Faith. https://www.gotquestions.org/Passover-Seder.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I also want to point out that most of the specifications around how we do the Seder aren’t in the Torah at all (the only overlap we have, textually, between us and Christians). They’re in the Talmud, the primary text of Rabbinical Judaism, which specifies traditional Jewish laws.

So by taking those specifications and putting Jesus in it, you’re literally drawing from a completely *Jewish* legal text. You’re not even taking from the Bible at all.

There are very specific symbolic links between the Seder and Christian Faith. https://www.gotquestions.org/Passover-Seder.html

That’s not the Passover Seder as Jews celebrate it. Again, that did not exist until after Jesus died.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also want to point out that most of the specifications around how we do the Seder aren’t in the Torah at all (the only overlap we have, textually, between us and Christians). They’re in the Talmud, the primary text of Rabbinical Judaism, which specifies traditional Jewish laws.

So by taking those specifications and putting Jesus in it, you’re literally drawing from a completely *Jewish* legal text. You’re not even taking from the Bible at all.

There are very specific symbolic links between the Seder and Christian Faith. https://www.gotquestions.org/Passover-Seder.html

That’s not the Passover Seder as Jews celebrate it. Again, that did not exist until after Jesus died.

Let me be more specific: What that article does is insert Christian meaning into something that did not exist during Jesus’s time and which has nothing to do with Jesus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Passover that is described in the Bible is not the rabbinical Seder. It is, at best, Passover as it was celebrated at the Second Temple, which had no resemblance to how Jews celebrated it post 70 CE.

If you want to acknowledge the pre-rabbinical Seder and the Last Supper, eat lamb. Wait — you do that!

Why are you telling people how to celebrate their religious beliefs?

As has been said countless times on this thread, we cannot stop anyone from appropriating rabbinical Judaism and inserting Jesus into a Seder with Talmudic specifications. We can simply tell those people that what they are doing is offensive.

And has been said many times on this thread, you deciding what people should and shouldn’t do with regard to their religious beliefs is offensive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also want to point out that most of the specifications around how we do the Seder aren’t in the Torah at all (the only overlap we have, textually, between us and Christians). They’re in the Talmud, the primary text of Rabbinical Judaism, which specifies traditional Jewish laws.

So by taking those specifications and putting Jesus in it, you’re literally drawing from a completely *Jewish* legal text. You’re not even taking from the Bible at all.

There are very specific symbolic links between the Seder and Christian Faith. https://www.gotquestions.org/Passover-Seder.html

That’s not the Passover Seder as Jews celebrate it. Again, that did not exist until after Jesus died.

Let me be more specific: What that article does is insert Christian meaning into something that did not exist during Jesus’s time and which has nothing to do with Jesus.

The actual Passover Seder, per se was not practiced during Jesus’ time, but everything celebrated in the Seder was known to him and understood by Christians to point to him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also want to point out that most of the specifications around how we do the Seder aren’t in the Torah at all (the only overlap we have, textually, between us and Christians). They’re in the Talmud, the primary text of Rabbinical Judaism, which specifies traditional Jewish laws.

So by taking those specifications and putting Jesus in it, you’re literally drawing from a completely *Jewish* legal text. You’re not even taking from the Bible at all.

There are very specific symbolic links between the Seder and Christian Faith. https://www.gotquestions.org/Passover-Seder.html

That’s not the Passover Seder as Jews celebrate it. Again, that did not exist until after Jesus died.

Let me be more specific: What that article does is insert Christian meaning into something that did not exist during Jesus’s time and which has nothing to do with Jesus.

The actual Passover Seder, per se was not practiced during Jesus’ time, but everything celebrated in the Seder was known to him and understood by Christians to point to him.

This is factually wrong. The rabbinical Seder was not developed until after he died.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Passover that is described in the Bible is not the rabbinical Seder. It is, at best, Passover as it was celebrated at the Second Temple, which had no resemblance to how Jews celebrated it post 70 CE.

If you want to acknowledge the pre-rabbinical Seder and the Last Supper, eat lamb. Wait — you do that!

Why are you telling people how to celebrate their religious beliefs?

As has been said countless times on this thread, we cannot stop anyone from appropriating rabbinical Judaism and inserting Jesus into a Seder with Talmudic specifications. We can simply tell those people that what they are doing is offensive.

And has been said many times on this thread, you deciding what people should and shouldn’t do with regard to their religious beliefs is offensive.

When it comes to our traditions, we can say what’s offensive and what’s not. This is about Jewish rabbinical Seders, not pre-rabbinical Seders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Passover that is described in the Bible is not the rabbinical Seder. It is, at best, Passover as it was celebrated at the Second Temple, which had no resemblance to how Jews celebrated it post 70 CE.

If you want to acknowledge the pre-rabbinical Seder and the Last Supper, eat lamb. Wait — you do that!

Why are you telling people how to celebrate their religious beliefs?

When you hold the afiko-whatsit cover to the light, you can the black madonna, It is a FACT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also want to point out that most of the specifications around how we do the Seder aren’t in the Torah at all (the only overlap we have, textually, between us and Christians). They’re in the Talmud, the primary text of Rabbinical Judaism, which specifies traditional Jewish laws.

So by taking those specifications and putting Jesus in it, you’re literally drawing from a completely *Jewish* legal text. You’re not even taking from the Bible at all.

There are very specific symbolic links between the Seder and Christian Faith. https://www.gotquestions.org/Passover-Seder.html

Wow- thanks for the anti-Semitic clap-trap: "The maror reminds the Jews that they were unable to offer sacrifice and worship to God, and that was bitterer than the slavery of Egypt." Disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also want to point out that most of the specifications around how we do the Seder aren’t in the Torah at all (the only overlap we have, textually, between us and Christians). They’re in the Talmud, the primary text of Rabbinical Judaism, which specifies traditional Jewish laws.

So by taking those specifications and putting Jesus in it, you’re literally drawing from a completely *Jewish* legal text. You’re not even taking from the Bible at all.

There are very specific symbolic links between the Seder and Christian Faith. https://www.gotquestions.org/Passover-Seder.html

Wow- thanks for the anti-Semitic clap-trap: "The maror reminds the Jews that they were unable to offer sacrifice and worship to God, and that was bitterer than the slavery of Egypt." Disgusting.

Seriously. That’s awful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also want to point out that most of the specifications around how we do the Seder aren’t in the Torah at all (the only overlap we have, textually, between us and Christians). They’re in the Talmud, the primary text of Rabbinical Judaism, which specifies traditional Jewish laws.

So by taking those specifications and putting Jesus in it, you’re literally drawing from a completely *Jewish* legal text. You’re not even taking from the Bible at all.

There are very specific symbolic links between the Seder and Christian Faith. https://www.gotquestions.org/Passover-Seder.html

That’s not the Passover Seder as Jews celebrate it. Again, that did not exist until after Jesus died.

Let me be more specific: What that article does is insert Christian meaning into something that did not exist during Jesus’s time and which has nothing to do with Jesus.

The actual Passover Seder, per se was not practiced during Jesus’ time, but everything celebrated in the Seder was known to him and understood by Christians to point to him.

Pray tell, what did Jesus make of the scallions?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also want to point out that most of the specifications around how we do the Seder aren’t in the Torah at all (the only overlap we have, textually, between us and Christians). They’re in the Talmud, the primary text of Rabbinical Judaism, which specifies traditional Jewish laws.

So by taking those specifications and putting Jesus in it, you’re literally drawing from a completely *Jewish* legal text. You’re not even taking from the Bible at all.

There are very specific symbolic links between the Seder and Christian Faith. https://www.gotquestions.org/Passover-Seder.html

That’s not the Passover Seder as Jews celebrate it. Again, that did not exist until after Jesus died.

Let me be more specific: What that article does is insert Christian meaning into something that did not exist during Jesus’s time and which has nothing to do with Jesus.

The actual Passover Seder, per se was not practiced during Jesus’ time, but everything celebrated in the Seder was known to him and understood by Christians to point to him.

This is factually wrong. The rabbinical Seder was not developed until after he died.

How is it factually wrong? Just because Jesus was not alive when the Passover Seder tradition started does not mean the elements within the Seder don’t hold religious significance to Christians. For instance, “(For Christians) the meaning of the Seder’s ritual of the matzohs is understood with clues from the New Testament. The Trinity is pictured in the matzohs. The first matzoh that remains in the bag throughout the Seder represents Ha Av, the Father whom no man sees. The third matzoh represents the Ruach Ha Kodesh, the Holy Spirit who dwells within us. And the second matzoh, the broken one, represents Ha Ben, the Son. The reason the middle matzoh is broken is to picture the broken body of Christ (1 Corinthians 11:24). The half put back in the echad represents Jesus’ divine nature; the other half, wrapped in a linen cloth and separated from the echad represents Jesus’ humanity as He remained on earth.“

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also want to point out that most of the specifications around how we do the Seder aren’t in the Torah at all (the only overlap we have, textually, between us and Christians). They’re in the Talmud, the primary text of Rabbinical Judaism, which specifies traditional Jewish laws.

So by taking those specifications and putting Jesus in it, you’re literally drawing from a completely *Jewish* legal text. You’re not even taking from the Bible at all.

There are very specific symbolic links between the Seder and Christian Faith. https://www.gotquestions.org/Passover-Seder.html

That’s not the Passover Seder as Jews celebrate it. Again, that did not exist until after Jesus died.

Let me be more specific: What that article does is insert Christian meaning into something that did not exist during Jesus’s time and which has nothing to do with Jesus.

The actual Passover Seder, per se was not practiced during Jesus’ time, but everything celebrated in the Seder was known to him and understood by Christians to point to him.

This is factually wrong. The rabbinical Seder was not developed until after he died.

How is it factually wrong? Just because Jesus was not alive when the Passover Seder tradition started does not mean the elements within the Seder don’t hold religious significance to Christians. For instance, “(For Christians) the meaning of the Seder’s ritual of the matzohs is understood with clues from the New Testament. The Trinity is pictured in the matzohs. The first matzoh that remains in the bag throughout the Seder represents Ha Av, the Father whom no man sees. The third matzoh represents the Ruach Ha Kodesh, the Holy Spirit who dwells within us. And the second matzoh, the broken one, represents Ha Ben, the Son. The reason the middle matzoh is broken is to picture the broken body of Christ (1 Corinthians 11:24). The half put back in the echad represents Jesus’ divine nature; the other half, wrapped in a linen cloth and separated from the echad represents Jesus’ humanity as He remained on earth.“

What about the fava beans?

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed. And Jews should not celebrate Christmas, either.

Most of us don't!

I know of ZERO Christians who host Seders. BUT, I know of MANY, MANY, MANY Jews how have Christmas trees!!

Whoa. Calm down.

First of all, just because you don’t know any doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

Second, a Christmas tree is hardly equivalent to a Passover Seder.

Right... Because it doesn’t impact your religion so it doesn’t matter.

Hardly. First of all, most Jewish families don’t have a Christmas tree. Interfaith families do, but hardly any wholly Jewish families.

Second, the Christmas tree is not a religious symbol. It’s not like a nativity scene.

Thank you for clarifying what is a religious symbol for Christians! I’ll follow your lead and clarify what you should consider a religious symbol in Judaism, sounds good?

If a Christmas tree is generally considered a religious symbol, please provide evidence of such, and I’ll gladly admit I was wrong. We’ve provided ample evidence of why it’s inappropriate for Christians to have a Christian Seder.

Your evidence is that Christians should trash half their holy book because many prophets and traditions overlap with Judaism. You keep saying Passover is Easter when it is not. You want to erase half of the Christian tradition because you think the stories in the Old Testament/Torah/Qran belong only to Jews. That’s a nonstarter. I do not accept that Passover that is described in the Bible amounts to appropriation or that it is Easter—a separate holiday.

Dude. Where is the Passover Seder in the bible? Where is the matzoh, the charoset, the bitter herbs dipped in salt water? The Passover seder is a Jewish religious rite. The Christian religious rites centered around the story of Exodus and Jesus’s Last Supper, and the analogy of Jesus to the lamb sacrificed to save the Israelites is Easter. Full stop. In addition you have the Eucharist if you are Catholic or your church has communion. Nobody is saying you cannot celebrate Easter.

Here are some of the ways some Christians see Jesus in the Seder. Yes, they interpret it in terms of Jesus because they believe everything in the Old Testament /Tanakh is leading up to Jesus. You don’t have to agree with them or participate.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Passover-Seder.html

ok so thanks for making it clear. you feel entitled to change a Jewish ritual (one of the most important ones) into a Christian ritual.