The lawsuit against Royal Caribbean/toddler death

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Anonymous wrote:RC vindicated. Period.

Wonder if the grandpa had motive and this was intentional. Hate to think this is true but not impossible.

Did you see the video? It’s not out of the question that it was intentional. Horrifying.

Where is the link? Can someone please post it?

It’s buried in the thread. Might be easier to google it.

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From what I see in the video, he leans out the window, comes back in and picks her up, then holds her out of the window while he leans out for at least 20 seconds. No possible way he did not know it was not an open window.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember the lawyer had the media repeating that this happened in a children’s PLAY AREA. The lawyer is a lying dirt bag and should be disbarred. That news agencies blindly repeated the lawyer’s claims as fact is despicable.

To be fair, this is the walk area that goes around the pool deck which includes a children's play area. However, where they were, the walkway opens wider for an open space around the bar. They walked away from the pool area passed the bar over to the walkway and window. So, it may be that the grandfather is the one that pushed the children's play area, because they were there before they walked over to the window. But it was a significant distance away from the play area. There's no guarantee that this is just the lawyer pushing that it was a play area. This could have been the grandfather's own words.

If they were a significant distance away, then there is no need to "be fair", is there? This is an entitlement attitude, whether it originally came from the lawyer or grandpa.
LOL at all the posters using this thread to get in their little jabs at IT people. Still bitter about getting blocked from pinterest at work?

The area it happened, as you can clearly see on the videos, is a bar. Literally a bar. Not a children’s area.

That's right, they were in a bar area when grandpa leaned out the open window then picked up baby and dropped her out the window. Where grandpa and baby were before going to the open window in the bar area isn't relevant. The drop did no occur in a children's play area which is where they were earlier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RC vindicated. Period.

Wonder if the grandpa had motive and this was intentional. Hate to think this is true but not impossible.

Did you see the video? It’s not out of the question that it was intentional. Horrifying.

Where is the link? Can someone please post it?

It’s buried in the thread. Might be easier to google it.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/royal-caribbean-video-shows-grandfather-knew-window-was-open/#

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RC vindicated. Period.

Wonder if the grandpa had motive and this was intentional. Hate to think this is true but not impossible.

Did you see the video? It’s not out of the question that it was intentional. Horrifying.

My thought, esp since the father of the poor tot was the one who coached step-gramps through avoiding the breathalyzer AND the dad is a LEO, you would think his response would be the opposite. Gramps is a step-father, too, anyone know how long he has been in the family? And, most damningly, they went balls to the wall for $$$.

The way he braced his hand on the wall was to prevent himself from going out the window. A squirmy in fear for her life human toddler was balanced on one palm, 11 stories up, over concrete. That is even worse than Michael Jackson, he used 2 hands! You have to think what possible goal could that behavior have?

WTH are the dynamics in that family?

What kind of LEO encourages the murderer of their toddler to not cooperate with a police investigation?

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I mean, yes, that will likely be the end of the lawsuit here. And yes, clearly he did lean out. However, it is also extremely likely that he didn't realize he was leaning out. I cannot count the number of times I was zoned out, on autopilot, etc. and didn't realize I had don't something or i forgot something. This is exactly how kids get left in cars. It's possible he was up, enjoying the sun, leaned out and didn't put two-and-two together.

I can already hear the heads explode when some of you read this. And that's fine that you're perfect in that way. You would never do it. It's not at al possible. Blah, blah, blah. But, we all know it is.

Then the argument that RCI was negligent is ridiculous. If this man was so "zoned out" that he leaned out a window for 8 seconds, came in then lifted his grandchild up and leaned her toward the window means that he would not have noticed a warning sign or anything other than burgler bars blocking him from the window. It is ludicrous to think that someone can lift a child above their waist, sit them on a railing designed to keep people an extra foot or two from the window. then lean the child towards a window that they themselves just leaned out of and not know that it was open and to blame the business that owns the window for not having adequate safety.

The lawyer and family have maintained that RCI did not put adequate safety precautions on the window, but the window was above waist height and had a railing in front of it. Inadequate security was not the problem in this situation. The only thing I can think that the family is doing at this point is trying to get something out of RCI that they can use to keep grandpa out of jail for negligent homicide. At this point, they are losing this lawsuit and he's going to jail.

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I mean, yes, that will likely be the end of the lawsuit here. And yes, clearly he did lean out. However, it is also extremely likely that he didn't realize he was leaning out. I cannot count the number of times I was zoned out, on autopilot, etc. and didn't realize I had don't something or i forgot something. This is exactly how kids get left in cars. It's possible he was up, enjoying the sun, leaned out and didn't put two-and-two together.

I can already hear the heads explode when some of you read this. And that's fine that you're perfect in that way. You would never do it. It's not at al possible. Blah, blah, blah. But, we all know it is.

Then the argument that RCI was negligent is ridiculous. If this man was so "zoned out" that he leaned out a window for 8 seconds, came in then lifted his grandchild up and leaned her toward the window means that he would not have noticed a warning sign or anything other than burgler bars blocking him from the window. It is ludicrous to think that someone can lift a child above their waist, sit them on a railing designed to keep people an extra foot or two from the window. then lean the child towards a window that they themselves just leaned out of and not know that it was open and to blame the business that owns the window for not having adequate safety.

The lawyer and family have maintained that RCI did not put adequate safety precautions on the window, but the window was above waist height and had a railing in front of it. Inadequate security was not the problem in this situation. The only thing I can think that the family is doing at this point is trying to get something out of RCI that they can use to keep grandpa out of jail for negligent homicide. At this point, they are losing this lawsuit and he's going to jail.

Agree if leaning out a window for 30 seconds doesn’t alert you to the fact that it’s open, I’m not sure what a sign is supposed to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RC vindicated. Period.

Wonder if the grandpa had motive and this was intentional. Hate to think this is true but not impossible.

Did you see the video? It’s not out of the question that it was intentional. Horrifying.

Where is the link? Can someone please post it?

It’s buried in the thread. Might be easier to google it.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/royal-caribbean-video-shows-grandfather-knew-window-was-open/#

Wow.
This is criminal. Either there was intent to kill, or GP is an incapacitated person (which doesn’t seem to be the case).

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is he had no biological children and thus hasn’t never spent a significant amount of time around kids so doesn’t really understand what is or isn’t appropriate vs stupid. I don’t think it was malicious, just extremely stupid and 100% his fault.

That's cute. Without sufficient experience and training, we can't expect fully grown adults to know that an open window on the 11th story presents a significant hazard even to inanimate objects?

Exactly...I made this point earlier. I wouldn't hang anything of value out an open window. I would bet there isn't anyone that would hang their phone out an 11 story window, being afraid it would somehow slip from their grasp and be gone. The level of insanity to hold a baby out a window is incredible to me.

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is he had no biological children and thus hasn’t never spent a significant amount of time around kids so doesn’t really understand what is or isn’t appropriate vs stupid. I don’t think it was malicious, just extremely stupid and 100% his fault.

That's cute. Without sufficient experience and training, we can't expect fully grown adults to know that an open window on the 11th story presents a significant hazard even to inanimate objects?

Exactly...I made this point earlier. I wouldn't hang anything of value out an open window. I would bet there isn't anyone that would hang their phone out an 11 story window, being afraid it would somehow slip from their grasp and be gone. The level of insanity to hold a baby out a window is incredible to me.

+1. I wouldn’t hold a dollar bill out an open window.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RC vindicated. Period.

Wonder if the grandpa had motive and this was intentional. Hate to think this is true but not impossible.

Did you see the video? It’s not out of the question that it was intentional. Horrifying.

My thought, esp since the father of the poor tot was the one who coached step-gramps through avoiding the breathalyzer AND the dad is a LEO, you would think his response would be the opposite. Gramps is a step-father, too, anyone know how long he has been in the family? And, most damningly, they went balls to the wall for $$$.

The way he braced his hand on the wall was to prevent himself from going out the window. A squirmy in fear for her life human toddler was balanced on one palm, 11 stories up, over concrete. That is even worse than Michael Jackson, he used 2 hands! You have to think what possible goal could that behavior have?

WTH are the dynamics in that family?

What kind of LEO encourages the murderer of their toddler to not cooperate with a police investigation?

The one who passed the toddler to the person in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I mean, yes, that will likely be the end of the lawsuit here. And yes, clearly he did lean out. However, it is also extremely likely that he didn't realize he was leaning out. I cannot count the number of times I was zoned out, on autopilot, etc. and didn't realize I had don't something or i forgot something. This is exactly how kids get left in cars. It's possible he was up, enjoying the sun, leaned out and didn't put two-and-two together.

I can already hear the heads explode when some of you read this. And that's fine that you're perfect in that way. You would never do it. It's not at al possible. Blah, blah, blah. But, we all know it is.

Then the argument that RCI was negligent is ridiculous. If this man was so "zoned out" that he leaned out a window for 8 seconds, came in then lifted his grandchild up and leaned her toward the window means that he would not have noticed a warning sign or anything other than burgler bars blocking him from the window. It is ludicrous to think that someone can lift a child above their waist, sit them on a railing designed to keep people an extra foot or two from the window. then lean the child towards a window that they themselves just leaned out of and not know that it was open and to blame the business that owns the window for not having adequate safety.

The lawyer and family have maintained that RCI did not put adequate safety precautions on the window, but the window was above waist height and had a railing in front of it. Inadequate security was not the problem in this situation. The only thing I can think that the family is doing at this point is trying to get something out of RCI that they can use to keep grandpa out of jail for negligent homicide. At this point, they are losing this lawsuit and he's going to jail.

Agree if leaning out a window for 30 seconds doesn’t alert you to the fact that it’s open, I’m not sure what a sign is supposed to do.

^ This is so right, and so obvious, that it would actually be quite funny if the situation weren't so tragic.

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That poor child. This was so pointless.

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He could have been loaded. Did anyone check his alcohol level?

[Anonymous]

Wow....
This thread is going off the rails.

Grandpa a possible murderer?

I think this was just a careless, freak accident.
Perhaps there was negligence involved, that is open to interpretation by those who know the cold, hard facts of this case, etc.

The family should not be so hell bent on lining their pockets w/cash.
Any money they would get would be blood money.

I strongly advise them to cease concentrating so much on suing & more energy into grieving the huge loss of their beloved baby girl.

There are no shortcuts in the healing process.
They need to focus on their pain + suffering now vs. trying to place blame.

Nothing.....not all the $$ in the world will ever bring their daughter back again.
It is time to move on.