First day drop off -- MD tags

[Anonymous]

8:35 @ Amidon -Bowen. 4 MD tags and 1 VA tag dropping off kids right in front of the school. No other cars, and no principal. Don't tell me they're nannies; this is a title 1 school with extended day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:8:35 @ Amidon -Bowen. 4 MD tags and 1 VA tag dropping off kids right in front of the school. No other cars, and no principal. Don't tell me they're nannies; this is a title 1 school with extended day.

Then go to the OSSE websdite and fill out the form to report suspected residency fraud. Posting to DCUM solves nothing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those numbers don't point to a huge issue for me. Much lIke drug testing welfare recipients, you spend a lot in an attempt to recoup from.a few. It probably costs more to investigate this supposed fraud than it does to find the minority of cheaters in investigated cases. Furthermore, your broad-ranging and wildly offensive comments about how "those people" need to go to chruches in their own communities has pretty much tainted the well.

There are multiple posters here, you're not debating with one person.

As for the wildly offensive comments about DC's commuter churches, I don't know where you live, but for the people in DC who live very close to one of the commuter churches in densely populated neighborhoods, it's an issue. I don't know about WaPo but the commuter church phenomenon and the related parking issue have been covered in the city paper, in the PoPville blog, other local blogs. Some of the people complaining about the illegal parking are black BTW, generally younger, with different views on religion, urban living. It's not strictly a white gentrifier versus black native washingtonian thing. My sense is that this thread is your first time encountering this church issue, so maybe you have not had the best introduction to it.

I'm not the PP, but wondering why bring up churches at all in this context? IIRC, the poster who first brought it up said it's about people who don't like the changes that have been happening in their neighborhood. So...yeah, that's white gentrifier versus black native Washingtonian thing.

I've lived in DC 20+ years, and for the last 11, endured four churches within a two block radius of my house. Yes, Sundays are annoying and possibly dangerous. It's not because the drivers are MD residents with a deep psychological need to break the law (I mean, seriously? WTF.) It's because they're old.

Go anywhere in the city, or suburbs for that matter, and it's like Final Destination on Sunday mornings with all the drivers who took their license exam in the 1950s out on the road. One of the worst places I've experienced it is upper Connecticut Avenue.

But what does it have to do with residency cheaters?

Nothing. It's a distraction away from the main issue, residency fraud, which the DC school leadership and bureaucracy has yet to take seriously. In this time of way-oversubscribed school lotteries, budget cuts and other challenges, the theft of spots and resources from our public and charter schools is a crime -- legally and morally.

Someone posted a couple of articles upthread that said DCPS had more than 100 investigations last year. Sounds to me like they're taking it seriously.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:8:35 @ Amidon -Bowen. 4 MD tags and 1 VA tag dropping off kids right in front of the school. No other cars, and no principal. Don't tell me they're nannies; this is a title 1 school with extended day.

Then go to the OSSE websdite and fill out the form to report suspected residency fraud. Posting to DCUM solves nothing.

I did that last year and nothing happened. Quite frankly this is the principal's job. I think I'll just plan on testifying in the Spring before Council. PP, since you work for DCPS, you might want to alert up the food chain.

[Anonymous]

Seeing an out of state license plate in front of a school I doubthink your children even attend is not proof of residence fraud. Seriously, what is wrong with you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:8:35 @ Amidon -Bowen. 4 MD tags and 1 VA tag dropping off kids right in front of the school. No other cars, and no principal. Don't tell me they're nannies; this is a title 1 school with extended day.

Then go to the OSSE websdite and fill out the form to report suspected residency fraud. Posting to DCUM solves nothing.

I did that last year and nothing happened. Quite frankly this is the principal's job. I think I'll just plan on testifying in the Spring before Council. PP, since you work for DCPS, you might want to alert up the food chain.

I don't work for DCPS - and how exactly do you know nothing happened?

[Anonymous]

Another weirdly polarized entitlement story in DC, not about church parking or school residency fraud: http://www.popville.com/2015/09/as-long-as-the-cover-is-on-it-he-can-park-here-forever-because-ddot-and-mpd-dont-want-to-be-responsible-for-any-potential-damage
As much as I get irritated at PoP and frequently promise I won't visit the blog anymore, I enjoyed that the discussion in the comments is a close mirror to this discussion. Paraphrased quotes: "Can you believe the gall of that guy to game the system and steal a spot?" "Why do you care?" "It's the law!" "But it doesn't even hurt you!" "Sure it does, it's one less spot for our cars, and we have to deal with moving ours for street cleaning, and we actually pay for renewing our tags!""Report it!" "Don't report it!"

The only HUGE difference there is that the word racism cannot be found in the whole thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another weirdly polarized entitlement story in DC, not about church parking or school residency fraud: http://www.popville.com/2015/09/as-long-as-the-cover-is-on-it-he-can-park-here-forever-because-ddot-and-mpd-dont-want-to-be-responsible-for-any-potential-damage
As much as I get irritated at PoP and frequently promise I won't visit the blog anymore, I enjoyed that the discussion in the comments is a close mirror to this discussion. Paraphrased quotes: "Can you believe the gall of that guy to game the system and steal a spot?" "Why do you care?" "It's the law!" "But it doesn't even hurt you!" "Sure it does, it's one less spot for our cars, and we have to deal with moving ours for street cleaning, and we actually pay for renewing our tags!""Report it!" "Don't report it!"

The only HUGE difference there is that the word racism cannot be found in the whole thread.

Actually, the HUGE difference is that it's obvious that a car is parked illegally. There's no such obvious corollary of MD tags to residency cheater.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seeing an out of state license plate in front of a school I doubthink your children even attend is not proof of residence fraud. Seriously, what is wrong with you?

It's not proof. But if it is repeated, it certainly should be a red flag that warrants for inquiry by the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:8:35 @ Amidon -Bowen. 4 MD tags and 1 VA tag dropping off kids right in front of the school. No other cars, and no principal. Don't tell me they're nannies; this is a title 1 school with extended day.

VA, you don't say. Is VA also Ward 9, or is that Ward 10.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:8:35 @ Amidon -Bowen. 4 MD tags and 1 VA tag dropping off kids right in front of the school. No other cars, and no principal. Don't tell me they're nannies; this is a title 1 school with extended day.

Then go to the OSSE websdite and fill out the form to report suspected residency fraud. Posting to DCUM solves nothing.

I did that last year and nothing happened. Quite frankly this is the principal's job. I think I'll just plan on testifying in the Spring before Council. PP, since you work for DCPS, you might want to alert up the food chain.

Does OSSE report back the findings to the person who made the complaint?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:8:35 @ Amidon -Bowen. 4 MD tags and 1 VA tag dropping off kids right in front of the school. No other cars, and no principal. Don't tell me they're nannies; this is a title 1 school with extended day.

Then go to the OSSE websdite and fill out the form to report suspected residency fraud. Posting to DCUM solves nothing.

I did that last year and nothing happened. Quite frankly this is the principal's job. I think I'll just plan on testifying in the Spring before Council. PP, since you work for DCPS, you might want to alert up the food chain.

Does OSSE report back the findings to the person who made the complaint?

I don't think so. Most people report anonymously anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:8:35 @ Amidon -Bowen. 4 MD tags and 1 VA tag dropping off kids right in front of the school. No other cars, and no principal. Don't tell me they're nannies; this is a title 1 school with extended day.

Then go to the OSSE websdite and fill out the form to report suspected residency fraud. Posting to DCUM solves nothing.

I did that last year and nothing happened. Quite frankly this is the principal's job. I think I'll just plan on testifying in the Spring before Council. PP, since you work for DCPS, you might want to alert up the food chain.

Does OSSE report back the findings to the person who made the complaint?

I don't think so. Most people report anonymously anyway.

Then how do you know nothing happened? It's possible that the investigation revealed that the children actually resided in the District. Simply because your suspicions were unfounded does not mean that nothing happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seeing an out of state license plate in front of a school I doubthink your children even attend is not proof of residence fraud. Seriously, what is wrong with you?

It's not proof. But if it is repeated, it certainly should be a red flag that warrants for inquiry by the school.

I have reported repeated MD tags before (have never seen VA ones at our school) and will continue to do so if I see them. It is for the school to then work out what is going on, but we all play a part in trying to make sure that those with a legit excuse have that officially recorded (which also protects the school if anyone challenges them on whether they "knew" someone was not a DC resident - if they are a DC resident or have a custody situation, that can be documented).

And those who do not have a legit excuse, the sooner they are busted the better. A DC kid should be in their slot, especially at the hard to get into schools. That is who the slots are meant for, and no extensive sob story of other circumstances changes that. Either you are a DC kid, or you're not, and if you are your family can prove it. If you're not, you knew you were bending the rules, you got busted, so now you have to figure that out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seeing an out of state license plate in front of a school I doubthink your children even attend is not proof of residence fraud. Seriously, what is wrong with you?

It's not proof. But if it is repeated, it certainly should be a red flag that warrants for inquiry by the school.

I have reported repeated MD tags before (have never seen VA ones at our school) and will continue to do so if I see them. It is for the school to then work out what is going on, but we all play a part in trying to make sure that those with a legit excuse have that officially recorded (which also protects the school if anyone challenges them on whether they "knew" someone was not a DC resident - if they are a DC resident or have a custody situation, that can be documented).

And those who do not have a legit excuse, the sooner they are busted the better. A DC kid should be in their slot, especially at the hard to get into schools. That is who the slots are meant for, and no extensive sob story of other circumstances changes that. Either you are a DC kid, or you're not, and if you are your family can prove it. If you're not, you knew you were bending the rules, you got busted, so now you have to figure that out.

Busted, and DCPS or the charter board should charge the parents. At least they should bring a civil action to recover back tuition.