UVA Gang rape

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I was there in the late 90s and it was the same then as well.

Holy crap. Well, you could have saved Jackie a lot of trouble if you spoke up about that in the late 90s. How about reporting what you know now to UVA and the police? There's no statute of limitations, so be a good citizen and go report it.

No, it's not the PP's fault that the frat brothers raped Jackie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I was there in the late 90s and it was the same then as well.

Holy crap. Well, you could have saved Jackie a lot of trouble if you spoke up about that in the late 90s. How about reporting what you know now to UVA and the police? There's no statute of limitations, so be a good citizen and go report it.

No, it's not the PP's fault that the frat brothers raped Jackie.

"if you see something, say something"

[Anonymous]

The comments were about PPs who were posting online profiles of a Phi Psi brother and speculating whether he was "Drew." The reference to "ruining their lives" wasn't to losing housing, it was to having their reputation ruined if they were innocent. Though as I said before, I'm not that bothered--the whole alleged point of the brotherhood is banding together for the collective. If they were brothers at the time, they may be complicit; they may have looked the other way; at the very least by belonging they enabled and harbored what went on. And even if they didn't know a thing, they can still share the shame--that's the flip side of sharing whatever else it is they all share. They signed up for it.

You are crazy. The entire group shouldn't suffer if they didn't know what was going on. No one expects that or signs up for it.

There is some speculation that the rape in the Rolling Stone article was a planned, organized hazing event and that pledges needed to participate to prove themselves worthy of joining. If that argument has merit, then the entire group should suffer because they did know what was going on, and they did expect it and signed up for it.

Look, if it is an actual proven fact that that the rape was planned, organized, and covered up all in that frat, then they all should suffer. Right now it's just some speculation. There's some speculation that you are crazy, but that doesn't mean that you should be put under a psych evaluation right now.

Excuse me, did you just call me crazy?

I said IF that argument has merit. Nothing is going to happen without a complete investigation, which will hopefully determine whether this was a one-time event or an annual rite of passage. If the latter, that could open up criminal conspiracy charges.

[Anonymous]

The police should start off with determining whether or not it really happened the way she said it happened. Right now everything is based on this one person's story. Her friends didn't find her at the frat house; they found her on a "nearby street corner". There are no witnesses that we know of who have come forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The police should start off with determining whether or not it really happened the way she said it happened. Right now everything is based on this one person's story. Her friends didn't find her at the frat house; they found her on a "nearby street corner". There are no witnesses that we know of who have come forward.

Please explain to my why someone would make up such a story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The police should start off with determining whether or not it really happened the way she said it happened. Right now everything is based on this one person's story. Her friends didn't find her at the frat house; they found her on a "nearby street corner". There are no witnesses that we know of who have come forward.

Please explain to my why someone would make up such a story.

Do you really believe everything you hear?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The police should start off with determining whether or not it really happened the way she said it happened. Right now everything is based on this one person's story. Her friends didn't find her at the frat house; they found her on a "nearby street corner". There are no witnesses that we know of who have come forward.

Please explain to my why someone would make up such a story.

Do you really believe everything you hear?

No, that doesn't answer the question, which is, "Please explain to me why someone would make up such a story." (I'm not the PP.) And while you're at it, please explain why all of the other women who say they were sexually assaulted at UVa would make up their stories, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The police should start off with determining whether or not it really happened the way she said it happened. Right now everything is based on this one person's story. Her friends didn't find her at the frat house; they found her on a "nearby street corner". There are no witnesses that we know of who have come forward.

Please explain to my why someone would make up such a story.

Do you really believe everything you hear?

No, that doesn't answer the question, which is, "Please explain to me why someone would make up such a story." (I'm not the PP.) And while you're at it, please explain why all of the other women who say they were sexually assaulted at UVa would make up their stories, too.

Since you asked: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/compassion-matters/201309/why-we-lie-and-how-stop

I'm not saying that she's a liar. She may not have all of the facts straight if she was traumatized and is not remembering all of it accurately. Or she could be lying on purpose. Or she could be telling the complete truth. Point is that we don't know for sure. The fact that women have been assaulted at UVA doesn't make her story more "true" because we are talking about an extreme case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Since you asked: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/compassion-matters/201309/why-we-lie-and-how-stop

I'm not saying that she's a liar. She may not have all of the facts straight if she was traumatized and is not remembering all of it accurately. Or she could be lying on purpose. Or she could be telling the complete truth. Point is that we don't know for sure. The fact that women have been assaulted at UVA doesn't make her story more "true" because we are talking about an extreme case.

Why is your first inclination to ask whether she is telling the truth? Also, do you think that this inclination might be one reason why people are often unwilling to report their rapes to the police?

And if she is not telling the truth, then what? Then everything is just fine at UVa?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The police should start off with determining whether or not it really happened the way she said it happened. Right now everything is based on this one person's story. Her friends didn't find her at the frat house; they found her on a "nearby street corner". There are no witnesses that we know of who have come forward.

She's a witness. Victims are witnesses. Many times the only ones. That's not a reason not to prosecute.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Since you asked: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/compassion-matters/201309/why-we-lie-and-how-stop

I'm not saying that she's a liar. She may not have all of the facts straight if she was traumatized and is not remembering all of it accurately. Or she could be lying on purpose. Or she could be telling the complete truth. Point is that we don't know for sure. The fact that women have been assaulted at UVA doesn't make her story more "true" because we are talking about an extreme case.

Why is your first inclination to ask whether she is telling the truth? Also, do you think that this inclination might be one reason why people are often unwilling to report their rapes to the police?

And if she is not telling the truth, then what? Then everything is just fine at UVa?

It's not my first inclination. I'm just uncomfortable with the witch hunt for the guys at that frat before we are sure of all of the facts. Everyone was up in arms about the a Duke lacrosse team and the stripper, and then it was discovered that things weren't as depicted by the stripper. By then those guys were already put through hell.

If she's not telling the truth, then at least she's opened the door to a further investigation about what policies UVA had in place for sexual assault victims, because those polices really suck and need to be changed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It's not my first inclination. I'm just uncomfortable with the witch hunt for the guys at that frat before we are sure of all of the facts. Everyone was up in arms about the a Duke lacrosse team and the stripper, and then it was discovered that things weren't as depicted by the stripper. By then those guys were already put through hell.

If she's not telling the truth, then at least she's opened the door to a further investigation about what policies UVA had in place for sexual assault victims, because those polices really suck and need to be changed.

What witch hunt for the guys at the frat? Whose witch hunt?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The police should start off with determining whether or not it really happened the way she said it happened. Right now everything is based on this one person's story. Her friends didn't find her at the frat house; they found her on a "nearby street corner". There are no witnesses that we know of who have come forward.

She's a witness. Victims are witnesses. Many times the only ones. That's not a reason not to prosecute.

No one said that the guys who hurt her shouldn't be prosecuted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's not my first inclination. I'm just uncomfortable with the witch hunt for the guys at that frat before we are sure of all of the facts. Everyone was up in arms about the a Duke lacrosse team and the stripper, and then it was discovered that things weren't as depicted by the stripper. By then those guys were already put through hell.

If she's not telling the truth, then at least she's opened the door to a further investigation about what policies UVA had in place for sexual assault victims, because those polices really suck and need to be changed.

What witch hunt for the guys at the frat? Whose witch hunt?

Read the whole thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's not my first inclination. I'm just uncomfortable with the witch hunt for the guys at that frat before we are sure of all of the facts. Everyone was up in arms about the a Duke lacrosse team and the stripper, and then it was discovered that things weren't as depicted by the stripper. By then those guys were already put through hell.

If she's not telling the truth, then at least she's opened the door to a further investigation about what policies UVA had in place for sexual assault victims, because those polices really suck and need to be changed.

What witch hunt for the guys at the frat? Whose witch hunt?

Read the whole thread.

You mean, you're uncomfortable with a bunch of anonymous people posting stuff on an internet message board? That's not what I usually think of, when I think of a witch hunt.