Bafta awards controversy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for the guy with the condition, but I can't image being subjected to being called the N word as I accept such a prestigious award. That's not right.

They should have provided him accommodations that would also not subject award winners to racist epitaphs (especially as they were not made aware prior to the ceremony this might happen).

They were presenting the award. At least get the facts right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is ridiculous that people are debating whether if there was a warning beforehand it would then make it alright. Once the man interrupted the show twice by yelling obscenities he needed to immediately leave.

It isn't alright he stayed and then to add insult to the injury the guy with Tourettes is basically an insensitive jerk for not apologizing to the Black presenters. If anyone has watched the movies Sinners it makes it even more horrific what happened. The presenters were up there because they were fantastic in the movie Sinners.

Ryan Coogler’s horror film Sinners is set in 1932 in the Mississippi Delta and stars Jordan in dual roles as criminal identical twin brothers who return to their hometown in the Jim Crow South, where they are confronted by a supernatural evil.

‘Michael had to do extensive research into the horrific psychological effects of racism to prepare for Sinners so was disgusted, repulsed and grossed out by John’s outburst,’ they told us.

After watching the event unfold, the actor’s parents were left shaken. ‘His mum and dad broke down in tears when they saw what happened to him and Delroy, and it has been a horrible 48 hours for the family,’ they explained.

The Daily Mail is a tabloid rag that uses ridiculously heightened verbiage to whip up emotion among their generally poorly-educated readership. It's like quoting the National Inquirer as a reputable new source.

+1000

Give me an ACTUAL statement from Michael B Jordan or his family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're telling me that due to coprolalia, he has absolutely no control over his outbursts... yet his brain is "automatically" able to tailor a specific insult for a specific recipient?

Black people: Ns
Queen: f the queen

What's next?
SA survivors: "you f'ing deserved it"
Women PhDs: "dumb w---res"
Person in wheelchair: "cripple"

Really?

I'd maybe buy it if he called everyone Ns or hoes. But this just seems too far fetched.

Why does his brain go there, lol

Watch the movie.

The movie is all about how hard this is for HIM. Even the scene where he gets punched in the bar. Well... he threw a drink on a stranger. How do you think that felt for the poor guy who just wanted to have a good time and a random guy douses you with beer for no reason?

The movie wants to convince us that "good, loving" people should embrace his outbursts. Like when he says stuff like "I put c-m in your drink" and they're all "awww! That's adorable!" It's not. I have children and I can't imagine asking my 8 year old daughter to put up with someone yelling "suck my d--k!" to her. That's not civilized. That's disgusting.

Are you for real? Getting doused with beer once in your life is a walk in the park compared to living with this disability. I mean, I can't even with you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're telling me that due to coprolalia, he has absolutely no control over his outbursts... yet his brain is "automatically" able to tailor a specific insult for a specific recipient?

Black people: Ns
Queen: f the queen

What's next?
SA survivors: "you f'ing deserved it"
Women PhDs: "dumb w---res"
Person in wheelchair: "cripple"

Really?

I'd maybe buy it if he called everyone Ns or hoes. But this just seems too far fetched.

Why does his brain go there, lol

Watch the movie.

The movie is all about how hard this is for HIM. Even the scene where he gets punched in the bar. Well... he threw a drink on a stranger. How do you think that felt for the poor guy who just wanted to have a good time and a random guy douses you with beer for no reason?

The movie wants to convince us that "good, loving" people should embrace his outbursts. Like when he says stuff like "I put c-m in your drink" and they're all "awww! That's adorable!" It's not. I have children and I can't imagine asking my 8 year old daughter to put up with someone yelling "suck my d--k!" to her. That's not civilized. That's disgusting.

Okay sure. But what would you do if it was your daughter or son with this disorder and they were the ones yelling out obscenities and socially inappropriate things. What if was them having involuntary movement tics and knocking things? What if it was your child saying those words to others? Would you just be disgusted by them and keep them home? How would you protect their siblings? What would you do with your uncivlized child? Picture your kids - where would you send them away to to ensure they didn't bother anyone?

Omg I’d love them and get them all the help I could, and I ALSO wouldn’t bring them to a funeral of a young child knowing that they would probably involuntarily yell out horrific things about the deceased and add layers of grief to the mourners. For one extreme example. There is a middle ground between “they belong in every environment and people have to deal!” And “lock them in a padded room”

Yes, there is. So where do you think an awards show for a movie about his life would fall on your spectrum?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're telling me that due to coprolalia, he has absolutely no control over his outbursts... yet his brain is "automatically" able to tailor a specific insult for a specific recipient?

Black people: Ns
Queen: f the queen

What's next?
SA survivors: "you f'ing deserved it"
Women PhDs: "dumb w---res"
Person in wheelchair: "cripple"

Really?

I'd maybe buy it if he called everyone Ns or hoes. But this just seems too far fetched.

Why does his brain go there, lol

Watch the movie.

The movie is all about how hard this is for HIM. Even the scene where he gets punched in the bar. Well... he threw a drink on a stranger. How do you think that felt for the poor guy who just wanted to have a good time and a random guy douses you with beer for no reason?

The movie wants to convince us that "good, loving" people should embrace his outbursts. Like when he says stuff like "I put c-m in your drink" and they're all "awww! That's adorable!" It's not. I have children and I can't imagine asking my 8 year old daughter to put up with someone yelling "suck my d--k!" to her. That's not civilized. That's disgusting.

Of course the movie is from his perspective. Maybe someone else can make a movie about living in a world and being accosted by violent, aggressive, and rude people who make daily life hard. There are a lot of them.

I haven't seen any reports of this man being violent.

There’s a video a few pages back showing him “accidentally” punching a friend multiple times.

What he has done has is set back the acceptance of people with Tourette's syndrome by being the poster child for Tourette's even though over 90% of people with Tourette's do not have his syndrome which is Coprolalia (yelling obscenities and insults).

The timing of all his outburst seem attention seeking and to control a situation. The times he interrupted were times when he asserts control and to maximize disruptions. During pre-event housekeeping speech right before the show starts he yells out "boring". The vast majority of people aren't thinking that. They say not to cuss and he does. He interrupts the speeches and presentations that will cause the most shock:

The president of BAFTA's speech by yelling f you
The children's and family film award - another f you
Black presenters & to a Black Oscar-winning production designer Hannah Beachler after the show - n word

So sure he has Tourettes and Coprolalia but there is some degree of antisocial personality disorder in there. Who sits there thinking let me yell f you to a children and family award show? Same thing when meeting the Queen. Let me say the two most alarming and offensive statements. Nothing like your clothes are ugly or some other random thought but about a b*omb and f you.

And then he never really apologize. He give a contextual understanding but never seems to show genuine remorse for the impact on the OTHER person he insulted. He frames the incident around himself, deflects responsibility, and minimizing harm. It is so dismissive to the victim. Well of course he seems to think he is the only victim.

Careful, your stupidity is showing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're telling me that due to coprolalia, he has absolutely no control over his outbursts... yet his brain is "automatically" able to tailor a specific insult for a specific recipient?

Black people: Ns
Queen: f the queen

What's next?
SA survivors: "you f'ing deserved it"
Women PhDs: "dumb w---res"
Person in wheelchair: "cripple"

Really?

I'd maybe buy it if he called everyone Ns or hoes. But this just seems too far fetched.

Why does his brain go there, lol

Watch the movie.

The movie is all about how hard this is for HIM. Even the scene where he gets punched in the bar. Well... he threw a drink on a stranger. How do you think that felt for the poor guy who just wanted to have a good time and a random guy douses you with beer for no reason?

The movie wants to convince us that "good, loving" people should embrace his outbursts. Like when he says stuff like "I put c-m in your drink" and they're all "awww! That's adorable!" It's not. I have children and I can't imagine asking my 8 year old daughter to put up with someone yelling "suck my d--k!" to her. That's not civilized. That's disgusting.

Okay sure. But what would you do if it was your daughter or son with this disorder and they were the ones yelling out obscenities and socially inappropriate things. What if was them having involuntary movement tics and knocking things? What if it was your child saying those words to others? Would you just be disgusted by them and keep them home? How would you protect their siblings? What would you do with your uncivlized child? Picture your kids - where would you send them away to to ensure they didn't bother anyone?

DP: If it were my kid, I would teach them to be very quick and very good at apologizing, and working on empathy would be ongoing— because I would want them to be able to have the option of successfully navigating societal interactions with other people. It’s a given that in light of the disorder, they are going to bother and possibly disgust other people. I’d want them to have the best possible chance to interact positively with peers and the wider community. Social skills would also increase their safety .

It’s wild how many comments here are saying things like: you want to send them away. Nope. I’d want to teach them social skills and empathy to keep from sending them away. There is a middle ground — and it includes taking responsibility for the impact of one’s behavior on others.

The audacity of some of you to assume how you would handle this situation is stunning. You have NO idea what you would do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're telling me that due to coprolalia, he has absolutely no control over his outbursts... yet his brain is "automatically" able to tailor a specific insult for a specific recipient?

Black people: Ns
Queen: f the queen

What's next?
SA survivors: "you f'ing deserved it"
Women PhDs: "dumb w---res"
Person in wheelchair: "cripple"

Really?

I'd maybe buy it if he called everyone Ns or hoes. But this just seems too far fetched.

Why does his brain go there, lol

Watch the movie.

The movie is all about how hard this is for HIM. Even the scene where he gets punched in the bar. Well... he threw a drink on a stranger. How do you think that felt for the poor guy who just wanted to have a good time and a random guy douses you with beer for no reason?

The movie wants to convince us that "good, loving" people should embrace his outbursts. Like when he says stuff like "I put c-m in your drink" and they're all "awww! That's adorable!" It's not. I have children and I can't imagine asking my 8 year old daughter to put up with someone yelling "suck my d--k!" to her. That's not civilized. That's disgusting.

Okay sure. But what would you do if it was your daughter or son with this disorder and they were the ones yelling out obscenities and socially inappropriate things. What if was them having involuntary movement tics and knocking things? What if it was your child saying those words to others? Would you just be disgusted by them and keep them home? How would you protect their siblings? What would you do with your uncivlized child? Picture your kids - where would you send them away to to ensure they didn't bother anyone?

Omg I’d love them and get them all the help I could, and I ALSO wouldn’t bring them to a funeral of a young child knowing that they would probably involuntarily yell out horrific things about the deceased and add layers of grief to the mourners. For one extreme example. There is a middle ground between “they belong in every environment and people have to deal!” And “lock them in a padded room”

Yes, there is. So where do you think an awards show for a movie about his life would fall on your spectrum?

The movie about his life, believe it or not, was NOT the only film being honored there. And if I’m not mistaken , he was not acting in the film nor was he directing the film. Right? So he was the subject of a film. He is not the star of the BAFTAs. So in my hypothetical, yeah, I’d encourage my child to sit that one out in the lobby of the venue. Now if he was receiving a lifetime achievement award from the BAFTAs and was literally the guest of honor getting the most prestigious award then I’d feel differently. But he was not!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're telling me that due to coprolalia, he has absolutely no control over his outbursts... yet his brain is "automatically" able to tailor a specific insult for a specific recipient?

Black people: Ns
Queen: f the queen

What's next?
SA survivors: "you f'ing deserved it"
Women PhDs: "dumb w---res"
Person in wheelchair: "cripple"

Really?

I'd maybe buy it if he called everyone Ns or hoes. But this just seems too far fetched.

Why does his brain go there, lol

Watch the movie.

The movie is all about how hard this is for HIM. Even the scene where he gets punched in the bar. Well... he threw a drink on a stranger. How do you think that felt for the poor guy who just wanted to have a good time and a random guy douses you with beer for no reason?

The movie wants to convince us that "good, loving" people should embrace his outbursts. Like when he says stuff like "I put c-m in your drink" and they're all "awww! That's adorable!" It's not. I have children and I can't imagine asking my 8 year old daughter to put up with someone yelling "suck my d--k!" to her. That's not civilized. That's disgusting.

Okay sure. But what would you do if it was your daughter or son with this disorder and they were the ones yelling out obscenities and socially inappropriate things. What if was them having involuntary movement tics and knocking things? What if it was your child saying those words to others? Would you just be disgusted by them and keep them home? How would you protect their siblings? What would you do with your uncivlized child? Picture your kids - where would you send them away to to ensure they didn't bother anyone?

DP: If it were my kid, I would teach them to be very quick and very good at apologizing, and working on empathy would be ongoing— because I would want them to be able to have the option of successfully navigating societal interactions with other people. It’s a given that in light of the disorder, they are going to bother and possibly disgust other people. I’d want them to have the best possible chance to interact positively with peers and the wider community. Social skills would also increase their safety .

It’s wild how many comments here are saying things like: you want to send them away. Nope. I’d want to teach them social skills and empathy to keep from sending them away. There is a middle ground — and it includes taking responsibility for the impact of one’s behavior on others.

The audacity of some of you to assume how you would handle this situation is stunning. You have NO idea what you would do.

Someone quite literally asked the question what we would do if it were our child

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're telling me that due to coprolalia, he has absolutely no control over his outbursts... yet his brain is "automatically" able to tailor a specific insult for a specific recipient?

Black people: Ns
Queen: f the queen

What's next?
SA survivors: "you f'ing deserved it"
Women PhDs: "dumb w---res"
Person in wheelchair: "cripple"

Really?

I'd maybe buy it if he called everyone Ns or hoes. But this just seems too far fetched.

Why does his brain go there, lol

Watch the movie.

The movie is all about how hard this is for HIM. Even the scene where he gets punched in the bar. Well... he threw a drink on a stranger. How do you think that felt for the poor guy who just wanted to have a good time and a random guy douses you with beer for no reason?

The movie wants to convince us that "good, loving" people should embrace his outbursts. Like when he says stuff like "I put c-m in your drink" and they're all "awww! That's adorable!" It's not. I have children and I can't imagine asking my 8 year old daughter to put up with someone yelling "suck my d--k!" to her. That's not civilized. That's disgusting.

Okay sure. But what would you do if it was your daughter or son with this disorder and they were the ones yelling out obscenities and socially inappropriate things. What if was them having involuntary movement tics and knocking things? What if it was your child saying those words to others? Would you just be disgusted by them and keep them home? How would you protect their siblings? What would you do with your uncivlized child? Picture your kids - where would you send them away to to ensure they didn't bother anyone?

DP: If it were my kid, I would teach them to be very quick and very good at apologizing, and working on empathy would be ongoing— because I would want them to be able to have the option of successfully navigating societal interactions with other people. It’s a given that in light of the disorder, they are going to bother and possibly disgust other people. I’d want them to have the best possible chance to interact positively with peers and the wider community. Social skills would also increase their safety .

It’s wild how many comments here are saying things like: you want to send them away. Nope. I’d want to teach them social skills and empathy to keep from sending them away. There is a middle ground — and it includes taking responsibility for the impact of one’s behavior on others.

The audacity of some of you to assume how you would handle this situation is stunning. You have NO idea what you would do.

Well, the previous poster asked “What would you do if it were your daughter or son….” If you didn’t want anyone to respond, you should have jumped in earlier to say so. The reality is that you have zero idea what the people posting here have experience with. Zero. You have NO idea. Lots of assumptions and arrogance though. Have a lovely day.

[Anonymous]

I used to live in a country where some families did send their children with disabilities away as it was seen as embarrassing and a poor reflection on the family to have a child who didn't conform to social norms. So I am not surprised that many would do the same here or expect others with disabilities to remove themselves from society to ensure their own comfort and to avoid any disruptions. Here though people would be caught between the embarrassment of having a child who doesn't conform to social norms and the embarrassment of people judging them for sending away their child as that isn't a social norm here for parents. I think there are many people who are still very uncomfortable with people with disabiliites and their tolerance is very low, mostly due to ignorance.

Thankfully for John's sake, the movie has already had its premier and press tour - and he attended and was met with kindness and acceptance and understanding by the UK press and audiences. The movie received very positive reviews. I think this reaction by American public probably caught him off guard. Especially as most who have gone after him didn't even watch the BAFTAs but just saw a headline or two online.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I used to live in a country where some families did send their children with disabilities away as it was seen as embarrassing and a poor reflection on the family to have a child who didn't conform to social norms. So I am not surprised that many would do the same here or expect others with disabilities to remove themselves from society to ensure their own comfort and to avoid any disruptions. Here though people would be caught between the embarrassment of having a child who doesn't conform to social norms and the embarrassment of people judging them for sending away their child as that isn't a social norm here for parents. I think there are many people who are still very uncomfortable with people with disabiliites and their tolerance is very low, mostly due to ignorance.

Thankfully for John's sake, the movie has already had its premier and press tour - and he attended and was met with kindness and acceptance and understanding by the UK press and audiences. The movie received very positive reviews. I think this reaction by American public probably caught him off guard. Especially as most who have gone after him didn't even watch the BAFTAs but just saw a headline or two online.

You really didn’t have to watch the entire BAFTAs to know what happened here. A 30 second clip is enough to see two men get a racial slur yelled at them in front of a silent room full of people. And the reason we can watch it is that the BAFTAs had no problem showing that incredibly embarrassing interaction to millions of people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to live in a country where some families did send their children with disabilities away as it was seen as embarrassing and a poor reflection on the family to have a child who didn't conform to social norms. So I am not surprised that many would do the same here or expect others with disabilities to remove themselves from society to ensure their own comfort and to avoid any disruptions. Here though people would be caught between the embarrassment of having a child who doesn't conform to social norms and the embarrassment of people judging them for sending away their child as that isn't a social norm here for parents. I think there are many people who are still very uncomfortable with people with disabiliites and their tolerance is very low, mostly due to ignorance.

Thankfully for John's sake, the movie has already had its premier and press tour - and he attended and was met with kindness and acceptance and understanding by the UK press and audiences. The movie received very positive reviews. I think this reaction by American public probably caught him off guard. Especially as most who have gone after him didn't even watch the BAFTAs but just saw a headline or two online.

You really didn’t have to watch the entire BAFTAs to know what happened here. A 30 second clip is enough to see two men get a racial slur yelled at them in front of a silent room full of people. And the reason we can watch it is that the BAFTAs had no problem showing that incredibly embarrassing interaction to millions of people.

Incredibly embarrassing? Bizarre word choice. Most people saw it as shocking and horrifying. Not embarrassing. And Davidson was mortified. It's weird that so many people had never heard of Tourettes until this moment.

[Anonymous]

Whatever someone's condition, one person's rights do not trump an entire race's rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to live in a country where some families did send their children with disabilities away as it was seen as embarrassing and a poor reflection on the family to have a child who didn't conform to social norms. So I am not surprised that many would do the same here or expect others with disabilities to remove themselves from society to ensure their own comfort and to avoid any disruptions. Here though people would be caught between the embarrassment of having a child who doesn't conform to social norms and the embarrassment of people judging them for sending away their child as that isn't a social norm here for parents. I think there are many people who are still very uncomfortable with people with disabiliites and their tolerance is very low, mostly due to ignorance.

Thankfully for John's sake, the movie has already had its premier and press tour - and he attended and was met with kindness and acceptance and understanding by the UK press and audiences. The movie received very positive reviews. I think this reaction by American public probably caught him off guard. Especially as most who have gone after him didn't even watch the BAFTAs but just saw a headline or two online.

You really didn’t have to watch the entire BAFTAs to know what happened here. A 30 second clip is enough to see two men get a racial slur yelled at them in front of a silent room full of people. And the reason we can watch it is that the BAFTAs had no problem showing that incredibly embarrassing interaction to millions of people.

Incredibly embarrassing? Bizarre word choice. Most people saw it as shocking and horrifying. Not embarrassing. And Davidson was mortified. It's weird that so many people had never heard of Tourettes until this moment.

Mortified is a synonym for embarrassed. Your semantics add nothing to the conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're telling me that due to coprolalia, he has absolutely no control over his outbursts... yet his brain is "automatically" able to tailor a specific insult for a specific recipient?

Black people: Ns
Queen: f the queen

What's next?
SA survivors: "you f'ing deserved it"
Women PhDs: "dumb w---res"
Person in wheelchair: "cripple"

Really?

I'd maybe buy it if he called everyone Ns or hoes. But this just seems too far fetched.

Why does his brain go there, lol

Watch the movie.

The movie is all about how hard this is for HIM. Even the scene where he gets punched in the bar. Well... he threw a drink on a stranger. How do you think that felt for the poor guy who just wanted to have a good time and a random guy douses you with beer for no reason?

The movie wants to convince us that "good, loving" people should embrace his outbursts. Like when he says stuff like "I put c-m in your drink" and they're all "awww! That's adorable!" It's not. I have children and I can't imagine asking my 8 year old daughter to put up with someone yelling "suck my d--k!" to her. That's not civilized. That's disgusting.

Are you for real? Getting doused with beer once in your life is a walk in the park compared to living with this disability. I mean, I can't even with you.

Having a drink thrown on you - completely unprovoked - is assault or battery in most jurisdictions. Are you saying that assault should be excused because the perpetrator a disability?

lol nope